Is Europe becoming uninvestable?

[Dalal.Holdings]

32 minutes ago, Charlie said:

 

 

 

AI´s answer if Europe has free speech:

 

Yes, free speech is a fundamental right in Europe. European laws and the Charter of Fundamental Rights protect your right to hold opinions and share information without government interference. However, the European approach differs significantly from the US model. 

 

Unlike the near-absolute protections in the US, European free speech has strict legal limitations. In countries like Germany, for instance, freedom of expression (protected under Article 5 of the Basic Law) is balanced against other rights and public safety. 

 

Key differences in European free speech include:

 

• Hate Speech & Discrimination: Incitement to hatred, violence, or insults based on race, religion, or sexual orientation are criminal offenses. 
   
• Historical Taboos: In Germany and several other nations, Holocaust denial and the display of unconstitutional symbols (like Nazi insignia) are strictly prohibited and punishable by imprisonment. 
   
• Online Regulation: Under the EU's Digital Services Act, large social media platforms are legally required to swiftly remove flagged hate speech and illegal content. 

While you are entirely free to criticize politicians, participate in protests, and share your beliefs, you must navigate these specific legal boundaries regarding hate speech and public endangerment.

If you cannot insult politicians or government policies, Europe does not have free speech--certainly not the Free Speech that matters.

 

Europe's restrictions on free speech are autocratic--they are designed to allow the elite class of Europe (Ursula, Lagarde, Brussels gang and Company) to remain in power indefinitely.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Dalal.Holdings

[Dalal.Holdings]

20 minutes ago, Sweet said:

That’s good on paper but in practise it really hurts free speech.  What people regarding as insulting or hateful differs dramatically.  Some consider talk or stopping immigration hateful for example.

 

Yes. You cannot criticize immigration policies in the UK. That's antithetical to Free Speech. The whole point of Free Speech is to allow challenges to government & power. That's why it is a bedrock of true democracies.

 

Many "democracies" in Europe look like fake democracies.

[John Hjorth]

9 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

LOL. You literally cannot criticize people in power and old retirees are under investigation for calling politicians "idiot" and "Pinocchio" and you are calling it "one specific unsatisfactory thing" when I point out that this occurs while European leaders literally say "Freedom of speech is the foundation of our strong and vibrant European democracy".

 

You are just someone who is easily offended and can't come up with any real arguments.

 

What do you know about to which extent and about what I communicate with politicians,at  municipipality, region and state? Nobody here where I live is asking me to shut up, dragging me to court! And I have no debt, that anyone can buy to press me in my belly butt!

 

Germany is Germany, and we should all respect what Germans decides for them selves, based on Germanys own background, history and culture.

 

It's your i.e. '<German> to <European>' projection, with no basis posted by you at all, in almost all your posts here, I'm objecting fiercely against. 

 

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To bent it neon : Why the f**ck can't you meet thy sisters and brothers in Europe in eye-height, in stead of pecking on them all the time? - It's simply sick to me.

[Spekulatius]

39 minutes ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

Yes. You cannot criticize immigration policies in the UK. That's antithetical to Free Speech. The whole point of Free Speech is to allow challenges to government & power. That's why it is a bedrock of true democracies.

 

Many "democracies" in Europe look like fake democracies.

You can definitely criticize anything and anyone but you cannot denigrate other people doing so nor doing hate speech. The later isn’t allowed in the USA either. I agree that politicians have abused these protections do lawfare on people criticise them but that looks like it’s now exposed and likely will cease.

We should wore more about our own issues. Voter suppression, Gerrymandering, freedom of press and unfettered corruption just to name a few.

Edited 5 hours ago by Spekulatius

[Sweet]

6 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

You can definitely criticize anything but you cannot denigrate other people doing so nor doing hate speech. The later isn’t allowed in the USA either. I agree that politicians have abused these protections do lawfare on people criticise them but that looks like it’s now exposed and likely cease.

äWe should wore more about our own issues. Voter suppression, Gerrymandering, freedom of press and unfettered corruption just to name a few.

‘Hate speech’ is permitted in the US though.  

[Spekulatius]

10 minutes ago, Sweet said:

‘Hate speech’ is permitted in the US though.  

Unless you cross the threshold for harassment or inciting violence. Anyways we probably should go back to the topic of this thread. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Spekulatius

[Charlie]

Basically it is always better to mend your own faults, than to criticize other peoples/nations faults. 

 

 

[Marco Van Basten]

Reminds me of how California cancelled Algebra for the same reason...

 

Race in the Western World who will become dumber while China is laughing at us.  Thank God for ayatollahs in Iran and communists in China & Putin & co in Russia that drive best and brightest out to the West.  

 

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, Charlie said:

Basically it is always better to mend your own faults, than to criticize other peoples/nations faults. 

 

That's a cop out for Europe. You can criticize the USA all day long, but not the other way around.

 

 

[Loss Horizon]

5 hours ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

Having laws against criticizing politicians is extremely un-democratic.

 

3 hours ago, cubsfan said:

You clearly do NOT have "Free Speech" if you can  not criticize politicians. Period.

 

You are deeply mistaken to equate insulting and criticizing. You can criticize without insulting, and you can insult without criticizing. There are no laws against criticizing, there are laws against insulting.

[cubsfan]

43 minutes ago, Loss Horizon said:

 

 

You are deeply mistaken to equate insulting and criticizing. You can criticize without insulting, and you can insult without criticizing. There are no laws against criticizing, there are laws against insulting.

 

You don't get to make those calls. It's a total cop out.  ANYONE should be able to criticize OR insult their government. Many times, politicians EARN the scorn of their citizens.

 

It's far better to be able to say negative things about your leaders when they do a piss poor job or do not follow the will of the people. 

[Paarslaars]

4 hours ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

If you cannot insult politicians or government policies, Europe does not have free speech--certainly not the Free Speech that matters.

 

Europe's restrictions on free speech are autocratic--they are designed to allow the elite class of Europe (Ursula, Lagarde, Brussels gang and Company) to remain in power indefinitely.

 

 

Man you really confirm the stereotype of an American living in his own little world.  

 

I can easily insult politicians and government policies here. I am free to call all politicians idiots for instance.

 

What I cannot do is call them "faggy nazis that need to get burned at the stake"... because that is homophobic and inciting violence.

[Dalal.Holdings]

1 hour ago, Loss Horizon said:

 

 

You are deeply mistaken to equate insulting and criticizing. You can criticize without insulting, and you can insult without criticizing. There are no laws against criticizing, there are laws against insulting.

You are not allowed to call politicians “idiots” or Pinocchio and you say that is fair? Insane…

 

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

 

That's a cop out for Europe. You can criticize the USA all day long, but not the other way around.

 

 

 

LOL. These folks criticize America and its politicians all day everyday. If it were illegal to criticize U.S. politicians like it is in Germany, they’d all be in prison and have some hefty fines to pay.

[Dalal.Holdings]

4 minutes ago, Paarslaars said:

 

Man you really confirm the stereotype of an American living in his own little world.  

 

I can easily insult politicians and government policies here. I am free to call all politicians idiots for instance.

 

What I cannot do is call them "faggy nazis that need to get burned at the stake"... because that is homophobic and inciting violence.

Yes, I know you love criticizing Americans like most Europeans. Too bad you can’t read though:

 

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-could-scrap-law-banning-insults-against-politicians/a-77630055

 

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private citizens found themselves under investigation by the police for publicly calling politicians "Schwachkopf" (idiot), "Lügenfritz" (lying Fritz) or "Pinocchio" on social media

 

Man, you are so confident and yet so wrong!

[Paarslaars]

You realize Europe is not one country right? Belgium is not Germany (thanks to you guys :))

[Dalal.Holdings]

Just now, Paarslaars said:

You realize Europe is not one country right? Belgium is not Germany (thanks to you guys :))

 

Yes. You’re welcome for that.

 

I only pointed out the largest economy in the EU and also the country where the President of the EU Ursula hails from (and spent 15 years in German government prior to that)… 

[Paarslaars]

Yeah and I only point out that Europe has 44 independent countries... you really cannot make that many generalized comments about it. It would be like me saying you're all red necks because I met a couple of Texans. And Texas is 22 times the size of Belgium by the way.  

 

I'm also not anti-US. I despise some of our own policies and see the US doing so much better, especially regarding innovation and immigration. 

 

However I am satisfied with our freedom of speech and I believe our system where we tax higher incomes more to provide better social security to the lower ones, is better... even though we might have taken it a bit too far.

Edited 1 hour ago by Paarslaars

[Marco Van Basten]

8 minutes ago, Paarslaars said:

You realize Europe is not one country right? Belgium is not Germany (thanks to you guys :))

A treaty is just a piece of paper - Kaiser Wilhelm II

[Spekulatius]

You can critizise politicians here as you like. You won’t get sued, you account will just get cancelled.

 

[RichardGibbons]

(Gonna assume that this is now a political thread, since it's acting that way. If it isn't, let me know and I'll delete this.)

 

3 hours ago, cubsfan said:

That's a cop out for Europe. You can criticize the USA all day long, but not the other way around.

 

Well, you can do it in the USA until you get 30 years in jail for distributing free speech.

 

Free speech is under attack everywhere in the western world. I think it's largely because of political polarization--because everyone's fine with "their side" doing it to screw the other side.

 

It's very short-sighted. Where I live, Canada, is certainly among the worst.

[Loss Horizon]

4 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

Gonna assume that this is now a political thread, since it's acting that way

I'm also puzzled why this topic came up at all. China is doing better than Europe economically, and free speech there is much worse. No idea why it's in the focus in investor's discussion.