OceanGate, Submarine goes missing.

[Dinar]

1 hour ago, ValueArb said:

 

Same could be said anytime a search is conducted for a hiker on Mt Hood or Rainer, or for a missing ocean kayaker, or kids trapped in a flooded cave, etc.

 

As a percentage of society's spending, search and rescue is vanishingly small. The question isn't whether its not worth performing search and rescue for expensive submersibles containing wealthy tourists, its why aren't we doing more for Mediterranean refugees.

The people in the Mediterranean are NOT refugees.  Invaders or illegal immigrants but NOT refugees.  Pakistanis and Egyptians are not fleeing war!

 

The west cannot take hundreds of millions of people from the third world without destroying itself!

 

If you truly want to help the third world nations, bring free birth control and family planning there.  Their biggest problem is population growth.  You do not see millions of Indians and Chinese leaving, but you see millions of Africans and Muslims trying to leave.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Dinar

[John Hjorth]

How many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?

 

Answer :

 

Count them yourself! :

"1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers.

41 to correct spelling/grammar flames.

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb"...another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".

15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct.

156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy".

109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group

203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty.

27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's.

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.

33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too".

12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three".

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

44 to ask what is a "FAQ".

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs".

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again..."

 

Off topic :

 

I follow a carefully chosen Danish Twitter account for about a couple of years now, or so. It's soo forthcoming and wise, what comes from this person every day on Twitter on about everything related to life and about everything in general, that it is to me stunning - from what I understand from the account info this man has been working in retailing all his active life, now retired :

 

Today :

Little advice in the summer heat for those who have difficulty falling asleep.

I have started arguing with my wife before bed. Because then there is cold air between us!

(Never slept better )

#pjank

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

Take it easy! 

[longlake95]

[backtothebeach]

This guy was scheduled for mission 3 a few weeks before, was on the ship, had briefings, saw the submarine from the inside, and filmed the whole thing.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by backtothebeach

[Luke]

1 hour ago, backtothebeach said:

This guy was scheduled for mission 3 a few weeks before, was on the ship, had briefings, saw the submarine from the inside, and filmed the whole thing.

 

 

Yeah saw that, fascinating...

[Ross812]

On 6/23/2023 at 12:43 PM, Dinar said:

The people in the Mediterranean are NOT refugees.  Invaders or illegal immigrants but NOT refugees.  Pakistanis and Egyptians are not fleeing war!

 

The west cannot take hundreds of millions of people from the third world without destroying itself!

 

If you truly want to help the third world nations, bring free birth control and family planning there.  Their biggest problem is population growth.  You do not see millions of Indians and Chinese leaving, but you see millions of Africans and Muslims trying to leave.

 

Last I checked, there was a war in Syria . 

 

On 6/23/2023 at 11:40 AM, ValueArb said:

 

Same could be said anytime a search is conducted for a hiker on Mt Hood or Rainer, or for a missing ocean kayaker, or kids trapped in a flooded cave, etc.

 

As a percentage of society's spending, search and rescue is vanishingly small. The question isn't whether its not worth performing search and rescue for expensive submersibles containing wealthy tourists, its why aren't we doing more for Mediterranean refugees.

 

I agree. I am just amazed how much this missing sub with five seats captured the news cycle. 

 

[Dinar]

8 minutes ago, Ross812 said:

 

Last I checked, there was a war in Syria . 

 

 

I agree. I am just amazed how much this missing sub with five seats captured the news cycle. 

 

Interesting that you do not debate that Egyptians and Pakistanis are not refugees.  As for Syrians, if indeed there is a war there, why don't they claim asylum in Turkey?  Same culture, much closer.  Oh wait, Europe gives great social benefits!

[Ross812]

4 minutes ago, Dinar said:

Interesting that you do not debate that Egyptians and Pakistanis are not refugees.  As for Syrians, if indeed there is a war there, why don't they claim asylum in Turkey?  Same culture, much closer.  Oh wait, Europe gives great social benefits!

 

I specifically referenced Syrian refugees in my post so I'm not sure why you are bringing up Egyptians or Pakistanis. More than 55% of all the Syrian refugees are in Turkey, 13% in Lebanon, and 10% are in Jordan.  Another 7% are in Egypt, Iraq, and Sudan.  The last 15%, about a million people, are in the West with half of those in Germany. 

 

 

[Dinar]

31 minutes ago, Ross812 said:

 

I specifically referenced Syrian refugees in my post so I'm not sure why you are bringing up Egyptians or Pakistanis. More than 55% of all the Syrian refugees are in Turkey, 13% in Lebanon, and 10% are in Jordan.  Another 7% are in Egypt, Iraq, and Sudan.  The last 15%, about a million people, are in the West with half of those in Germany. 

 

 

Most of the people on the boat were Egyptians and Pakistanis.  Again, interesting that you do not discuss the fact that the West cannot take the hundreds of millions who want to immigrate here.

[Ross812]

54 minutes ago, Dinar said:

Most of the people on the boat were Egyptians and Pakistanis.  Again, interesting that you do not discuss the fact that the West cannot take the hundreds of millions who want to immigrate here.

 

My original point was its silly a missing sub of 5 wealthy individuals goes missing and it captures the news cycle and several governments have thrown resources into the search effort while rafts of refuges from Syria go missing all the time with little news and an absence of international resources. Why don't Syrians go to Turkey instead of Western Europe you asked? Well 55% are in Turkey and 78% in the surrounding countries versus 15% scattered across the rest of the world. 

 

Your argument seems to be that illegal immigration from "invaders" will destroy the West. No idea how this relates to what I posted in the slightest unless you are arguing we should just let these people drown because there are "invaders" mixed in. Its also kind of humorous that two of the people on the sub were Pakistani.   

[Luke]

 

[Spekulatius]

That business literally went under.

 

One could write on Stockton‘s tombstone:

He was right until he wasn’t.

Works that way in investing as well.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Spekulatius

[LC]

Hubris punished - glory to Poseidon. We should be sacrificing our best goat and flagon of wine.