Russia-Ukrainian War - Political

[thowed]

1 hour ago, james22 said:

 

You didn't answer the question: what is he apologizing for?

 

 

He's not, he's being polite, unlike the rest.

 

[james22]

Just now, Sweet said:

Wtf are you talking about James.

 

The Rubio negotiated rare earth minerals deal that would have provided Ukraine something of a security guarantee (Russia being unlikely to attack de facto US resources).

 

You knew that, yeah?

[Sweet]

13 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

The Rubio negotiated rare earth minerals deal that would have provided Ukraine something of a security guarantee (Russia being unlikely to attack de facto US resources).

 

You knew that, yeah?

No.  

 

There were no security guarantees.

 

YOU should know this.

 

So back to you again.  What support was on offer?

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sweet

[james22]

10 minutes ago, Sweet said:

What support was on offer?

 

There's great value in the ambiguity the minerals deal's protection offers: it doesn't necessarily commit the US to a shooting war with a nuclear power.

 

But set that aside, any support was contingent upon the minerals deal.

 

Why didn't Zelensky sign it?

[Sweet]

12 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

There's great value in the ambiguity the minerals deal's protection offers: it doesn't necessarily commit the US to a shooting war with a nuclear power.

 

But set that aside, any support was contingent upon the minerals deal.

 

Why didn't Zelensky sign it?

There is no value in the ambiguity of  the mineral deals.  The ‘ambiguity’ you speak is only serves as a way for you to avoid answering the question.

What support was on offer?

 

They could pay, by other means, for military aid.  The minerals deal was a means to pay.

 

This support was NOT a security guarantee.  In fact, as previously posted, Ukraine supposedly had a security guarantee from the US already.

 

But why would the Ukrainians sign that if they are going to be strong armed into peace anyway?

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sweet

[John Hjorth]

And ... the Day After! -Topic still going like crazy!

 

I'm sure there was a red stamp with text 'Hot' on this topic yesterday evening on the forum index! -It seems to be gone now, and where are the 'hot stuff'?!  [j/k] :

 

[Gamecock-YT]

JD Vance stuck his neck out on a question, got rightfully clapped back, and didn't handle it very well, eventually reverting to law school debate tactics. He's nothing more than a charlatan.

[Ulti]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/tim-snyders-warning-israel-depends-upon-a-functioning-us-trump-and-musk-are-destroying-it/
 

interesting interview with Tim snyder

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Snyder

the interviewer David Horovitz … falls into the Tom Friedman/ George Will category 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horovitz

[Luke]

Again, you guys picture it black and white. Selensky the white knight, Putin the Darth Vader. Ukraine not responsible at all for the tensions in the eastern regions, Ukraine the country with freedom and democracy that was helplessly attacked.

 

Looking at the facts thats not true, they have their own responsibility for the outbreak of the war, its in the books but nobody is talking about it. Selensky has responsibility for his men and people and was willing to buy the promises of the Bidenists to continue this brutal war no matter the costs and reject any contact with the russian state. What did it get them besides a slowly losing stalemate, hundreds of thousands of men dead, the country in ruins?

 

Trump and Vance say it like it is. The time where selensky can push for more and more western engagement against russia and more and more weapons with zero results is over. The country is ruined, there will never be peace without russia.

 

All i see is a lot of denial by all those who blindly cheered for ukraine without looking at the bigger picture. That trump and vance get hate for that was to be expected but they are doing the right thing. Its a wake up call for selensky.

Edited 1 hour ago by Luke

[Luke]

Selensky WALKS into the oval office with demands only, " i will not take a cease-fire", "we want to continue this war and need your money".

 

But he doesnt hold the cards, he cant do anything of that without engagement by the US administration which already saw the sunken costs of the last 3 years...why would trump bother to send even more so that the same shitshow continues?

 

Yes, not wanting any cease fire or any sort of arrangement while at the same time pushing for further and further western engagement is playing with WW3. Thats what selensky has to do.

 

Its shocking to me that most people continue to cheer for further war. Probably most people think they wont be send to the battlefield but we all saw that selensky threatened trump that even the US will feel the influence soon (hello WW3).

 

Thats disrespectful!

[Luke]

To think that Russia can be attacked like Nazigermany was attacked is lunacy, Hitler has nuclear warheads now and they will be used if the state is in danger. Will you guys then also push for nuclear attacks on russia? Moscow for example? Are these regions in ukraine worth a nuclear holocaust and the deathcount going from 1m to 50m and 10% of the earths land destroyed?

 

You make it look like that is the case if you deal with moral absolutes and want zero diplomacy.

[Red Lion]

I’ve been trying to give the new administration the benefit of the doubt, but what a shameful spectacle this was. 

It feels like this whole thing is orchestrated to get Zelenskyy to crawl back on hands and knees to beg for a deal. Even though there was already one in the bag. Art of the deal indeed. 

Edited 8 minutes ago by Red Lion