cubsfan Posted May 22 Posted May 22 32 minutes ago, Sloanes Teddy said: Cubs, I would sincerely like to know your information sources. You repeatedly describe things that are not part of my life (i live in usa). I'm sure I live in a bubble, but my bubble can't be that good of a filter, can it? I am not being a smartass. I really want to know. No problem. You should always be skeptical. But you will have to be more specific on what issues you mean. I'm retired. I work out in the morning. I read most of the day or listen to podcasts while I'm working outside or traveling. I read most of the night, almost no TV. I'm looking for more insights rather than surface level 4 minute TV clips. So that is just me - I like the deep dive stuff, but again, I can afford it - since I could never do this when I was working. I read The Federalist every day. Same with American Greatness. I like the DailyWire a lot. I get lots of info from DHS & DOJ websites. I love podcasts. So like I said, you'll need to be more specific.
ourkid8 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) On 5/20/2026 at 7:33 PM, cubsfan said: Like I said- there is a military blockade against Gaza. We all know the history of weapons being smuggled into Gaza. If humanitarian goods need to be shipped in by aid organizations- they work with Israel to get the aid into Gaza, weapons free. So they violated the blockade. Very stupid of them. Classic FAFO. Definitely stupid of them. We found out the Israeli solution for detainees - rape and sexually assault them, physically assult, tie them down and de-humanize them all for crossing the blockade with baby food / formula. Just absolutely disgusting individuals SMH. (Yet they wonder why people hate them) https://x.com/thiagoavilabr/status/2057570882483003746/video/1?s=46 Edited May 23 by ourkid8
73 Reds Posted May 23 Posted May 23 On 5/21/2026 at 11:54 PM, vinod1 said: The point I am trying to make is both sides have valid points on many issues. If you start with 7 October 2023, there is no moral ambiguity. Israel has every right to defend with every means necessary and do whatever it takes to make sure it does not happen. Israel is also unambiguously in the wrong with settlement expansion in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. But most issues at least as relates internally to US, the truth is somewhere between what the left and the right has been arguing. I think Marco's response mirrors my own. But bigger picture is the Palestinians to date have demonstrated no capability to govern themselves in a manner beneficial to them or anyone else. Just because certain factions claim a right to land doesn't give those same factions the right to use the land as a means of death and destruction to everyone around them, including their own people. Israeli settlors simply want to live in peace. Were it not for terrorist regimes, the question of whose land this is would not be an issue because Israelis are perfectly willing to co-exist in peace. The same cannot be said for the other side which is why people here who don't understand why "both sides are equally to blame" are remarkably naive and ignorant.
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, 73 Reds said: I think Marco's response mirrors my own. But bigger picture is the Palestinians to date have demonstrated no capability to govern themselves in a manner beneficial to them or anyone else. Just because certain factions claim a right to land doesn't give those same factions the right to use the land as a means of death and destruction to everyone around them, including their own people. Israeli settlors simply want to live in peace. Were it not for terrorist regimes, the question of whose land this is would not be an issue because Israelis are perfectly willing to co-exist in peace. The same cannot be said for the other side which is why people here who don't understand why "both sides are equally to blame" are remarkably naive and ignorant. co-exist in peace? Naive and ignorant? I really wonder if you truly believe your lies - this is what the Palestinians live with daily - rape, threats etc. (I keep on emphasizing this is why people hate Israelis - video below) - “we will rape their wives” -“may your Palestinian villages burn” -“they receive another nakba” -“it’s not al Al aqsa mosque, it’s a Temple Mount” -“Mohammed the prophet is dead” -“may palestine name be wiped out” -“death to arabs, we will rape their wives” https://x.com/doctor_rahmeh/status/2055431098650234930/video/1?s=46 US hatred towards Israelis: https://x.com/FoxNews/status/2057849579593187488/video/1?s=46 Edited May 23 by ourkid8
Sloanes Teddy Posted May 23 Posted May 23 I don't expect the transactions related to Anti-weaponization fund to be transparent, but in the unlikely event that there is financial accountability, how many people convicted by a jury will receive payment? 5? 50? 100? Will jury conviction be the standard for payment, or can anyone who feels mistreated be eligible?
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) Peace deal is on the table, let’s see if Trump finally agrees to Irans terms to end the war - it’s not as good as before or JCPOA but let’s see if he truly is MAGA and puts America first! Edited May 23 by ourkid8
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) If true - Iran definitely won and becomes a regional super power. US has a humiliating loss BUT saves face by kicking the nuclear deal down the line. The big loser is Israel, they go back home in shame. Details of the Deal: — End of war on all fronts (Middle East) — Freeing several billion dollars of Iranian money — Lifting the U.S. naval blockade — Withdrawal of American Forces from the immediate vicinity of Iran — Strait of Hormuz to be opened under Iranian-Omani management After this both sides will discuss the nuclear file. (That’s when Iran will get sanction relief!) Edited May 23 by ourkid8
Parsad Posted May 23 Posted May 23 6 hours ago, ourkid8 said: co-exist in peace? Naive and ignorant? I really wonder if you truly believe your lies - this is what the Palestinians live with daily - rape, threats etc. (I keep on emphasizing this is why people hate Israelis - video below) - “we will rape their wives” -“may your Palestinian villages burn” -“they receive another nakba” -“it’s not al Al aqsa mosque, it’s a Temple Mount” -“Mohammed the prophet is dead” -“may palestine name be wiped out” -“death to arabs, we will rape their wives” https://x.com/doctor_rahmeh/status/2055431098650234930/video/1?s=46 US hatred towards Israelis: https://x.com/FoxNews/status/2057849579593187488/video/1?s=46 Do you know anything about Dan Bilzerian? He's the same type of moron that the MAGA supporters listen to...or the extremists on the left. You and Cubs keep sourcing stories about the extremes...not the general consensus. Cheers!
Hoodlum Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) The only thing the US got out of this war is a somewhat weakened Iran militarily, but now Iran understands they have a big stick and can effectively control the strait when needed. We have learned that the loss of Iran’s leadership seems to be easily replaced. The whole reason the US initiated this war was to remove Iran’s enriched uranium but that has not changed and I suspect will not change anytime soon. So the US did not get what they wanted, but Trump will try to make it look like this was a win. The big losers in this war are the Iranian citizens and the Middle East due to the cost to repair and the long term impact on perceived stability. The impact on the global economy will continue for many months and likely into next year. We will need to remember that it takes 2-4 weeks for existing ships in the strait to get to their destination. Many facilities were shut down during the war and will take a week or more to become operational again, so shortages will get worse in the coming weeks. We also need to understand the full impact on damaged production facilities and what the overall impact will be for various resources over the coming months and possibly years. The impact is way beyond just oil. Edited May 23 by Hoodlum
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 12 minutes ago, Parsad said: Do you know anything about Dan Bilzerian? He's the same type of moron that the MAGA supporters listen to...or the extremists on the left. You and Cubs keep sourcing stories about the extremes...not the general consensus. Cheers! I really wish it wasn’t the case but the general consensus in Israel is they support this disgusting behaviour. You can even ask the majority of the Israelis on this board, they fully support the inhumane treatment of detainees / Palestinians by the government and settlers.
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 14 minutes ago, Hoodlum said: The big losers in this war are the Iranian citizens They will come out as the big winners since their economy will be stronger due to the significant influx of toll revenue coming in! - this would offset the sanctions until they are officially removed.
Parsad Posted May 23 Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I really wish it wasn’t the case but the general consensus in Israel is they support this disgusting behaviour. You can even ask the majority of the Israelis on this board, they fully support the inhumane treatment of detainees / Palestinians by the government and settlers. No, they don't. Just like most Iranians aren't terrorists and want the death of Jews. It's the extreme groups that believe that stuff...although the extremists have been growing and growing everywhere thanks to Trump, Bibi, the Iranian Regime and other leaders that think they are morally righteous. The people who believe their propaganda or the propaganda resonates with them on some things, sadly gave them the power to do what they are doing and spew the hate they are spewing. Remove those leaders and the world will be a better place! Cheers!
ourkid8 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Parsad said: No, they don't. Just like most Iranians aren't terrorists and want the death of Jews. It's the extreme groups that believe that stuff...although the extremists have been growing and growing everywhere thanks to Trump, Bibi, the Iranian Regime and other leaders that think they are morally righteous. The people who believe their propaganda or the propaganda resonates with them on some things, sadly gave them the power to do what they are doing and spew the hate they are spewing. Remove those leaders and the world will be a better place! Cheers! I can keep on going but I’ll stop here: (These percentages are disturbing) IDI (Israeli democracy institute) 79% of Jewish Israelis said they were “not so troubled” or “not at all troubled” by reports of famine and suffering among Palestinians in Gaza (55.6% “not at all,” 23.4% “not so”). Only ~20% were troubled. (Haretz): 82% of Jewish Israelis supported the forced expulsion/transfer of Gaza residents to other countries (54% “very supportive”). 56% supported expelling Arab citizens of Israel. A minority (around 47% in some interpretations) expressed support for highly aggressive scenarios in captured enemy cities, though majorities favored some moral constraints. Other surveys (e.g., Hebrew University) have shown majorities agreeing with statements like “there are no innocents in Gaza,” reflecting a view of collective responsibility or threat perception. Edited May 24 by ourkid8
cubsfan Posted May 24 Posted May 24 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: I can keep on going but I’ll stop here: (These percentages are disturbing) IDI (Israeli democracy institute) 79% of Jewish Israelis said they were “not so troubled” or “not at all troubled” by reports of famine and suffering among Palestinians in Gaza (55.6% “not at all,” 23.4% “not so”). Only ~20% were troubled. (Haretz): 82% of Jewish Israelis supported the forced expulsion/transfer of Gaza residents to other countries (54% “very supportive”). 56% supported expelling Arab citizens of Israel. A minority (around 47% in some interpretations) expressed support for highly aggressive scenarios in captured enemy cities, though majorities favored some moral constraints. Other surveys (e.g., Hebrew University) have shown majorities agreeing with statements like “there are no innocents in Gaza,” reflecting a view of collective responsibility or threat perception. Pretty easy to understand this attitude from Israelis after the Gaza Palestinians had a grand time killing men, woman and children on Oct 7th. Tough to forgive those barbaric acts - and the dopes actually filmed hours of their depravity.
ourkid8 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 44 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Pretty easy to understand this attitude from Israelis after the Gaza Palestinians had a grand time killing men, woman and children on Oct 7th. Tough to forgive those barbaric acts - and the dopes actually filmed hours of their depravity. I was just showing to @Parsad that it’s a broken state with the vast majority of the population lacking any sort of morality and those poll’s prove it. Did you know they use dogs to rape Palestinians? They have a sick fetish with rape. (Please see news reporting below) Btw: How does it feel unconditionally surrendering to Iran? https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/2054141474183250322/video/1?s=46 Edited May 24 by ourkid8
ourkid8 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sloanes Teddy said: Kid8, please forgive my skepticism of your polling data. It’s not my data but polling in Israel Here are the actual links, there is a lot more if you use ChatGPT, Grok or a basic google search. I just wanted to open everyone’s eyes on what Israel truly is. (I am sharing the dirt that Israelis does not want to get out) https://en.idi.org.il/articles/60357 https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans https://mondoweiss.net/2025/07/poll-overwhelming-majority-of-jewish-israelis-share-genocidal-belief-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza/ Edited May 24 by ourkid8
Parsad Posted May 24 Posted May 24 4 hours ago, ourkid8 said: I can keep on going but I’ll stop here: (These percentages are disturbing) IDI (Israeli democracy institute) 79% of Jewish Israelis said they were “not so troubled” or “not at all troubled” by reports of famine and suffering among Palestinians in Gaza (55.6% “not at all,” 23.4% “not so”). Only ~20% were troubled. (Haretz): 82% of Jewish Israelis supported the forced expulsion/transfer of Gaza residents to other countries (54% “very supportive”). 56% supported expelling Arab citizens of Israel. A minority (around 47% in some interpretations) expressed support for highly aggressive scenarios in captured enemy cities, though majorities favored some moral constraints. Other surveys (e.g., Hebrew University) have shown majorities agreeing with statements like “there are no innocents in Gaza,” reflecting a view of collective responsibility or threat perception. Israeli opinion on the war and Bibi: Same source as yours. You pick and choose what you want to hear from the Israelis, as well as from the Iranian Regime! Cheers! https://en.idi.org.il/articles/61845
Parsad Posted May 24 Posted May 24 2 hours ago, ourkid8 said: I was just showing to @Parsad that it’s a broken state with the vast majority of the population lacking any sort of morality and those poll’s prove it. Did you know they use dogs to rape Palestinians? They have a sick fetish with rape. (Please see news reporting below) Btw: How does it feel unconditionally surrendering to Iran? https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/2054141474183250322/video/1?s=46 My God! You and a couple of other people on this board are completely retarded! Incredibly selective and defensive about your own perspectives without any acceptance of blame for the things that have happened. I'm so fucking close to permanently banning you all...the board in the long-term will be better off for it...and I don't have to listen to all of this rubbish from you. How do you guys live with yourselves? How do your families live with you guys with such deep, absolutism about what is happening? You guys must be the ones that everyone avoids at family weddings and gatherings because this type of shit comes up and they have to walk away thinking this is why there is war in the Middle East for thousands of years!
ourkid8 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Parsad said: My God! You and a couple of other people on this board are completely retarded! Incredibly selective and defensive about your own perspectives without any acceptance of blame for the things that have happened. I'm so fucking close to permanently banning you all...the board in the long-term will be better off for it...and I don't have to listen to all of this rubbish from you. How do you guys live with yourselves? How do your families live with you guys with such deep, absolutism about what is happening? You guys must be the ones that everyone avoids at family weddings and gatherings because this type of shit comes up and they have to walk away thinking this is why there is war in the Middle East for thousands of years! I agree, that was over the top and uncalled for. My bad! I will start to reduce time spent on the politics thread going forward. Edited May 24 by ourkid8
Spekulatius Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Nuclear issues discussed in the second phase means that Iran keeps their nuclear program (whatever state it is). From the Iranian perspective, it would be dumb to give up something permanently (nuclear program) for a fleeting promise from Trump or a “deal” that he tends to ripp up shortly thereafter.
Spekulatius Posted May 24 Posted May 24 This is making the rounds In Germany but you don’t see much news here in the US. The White House reportedly refuses to take back an US family who contracted Ebola. They are not quarantined in the Charité Hospital (which is a center of excellence for tropical al diseases ) in Berlin Germany. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5890047-white-house-denies-ebola-claims/ White House denies it but explain to me why they in Berlin and not on US soil or in a military hospital?
dwy000 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 8 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Nuclear issues discussed in the second phase means that Iran keeps their nuclear program (whatever state it is). From the Iranian perspective, it would be dumb to give up something permanently (nuclear program) for a fleeting promise from Trump or a “deal” that he tends to ripp up shortly thereafter. Well he did say that the war would only end with a complete surrender. I just assumed he meant Iran.
LC Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Another load of Trump BS, can't wait to hear MAGA rationalize this while they eat it up with a spoon: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-secretary-says-14-billion-dollar-taiwan-arms-sale-put-on-pause-over-iran-war/ Navy's acting secretary says $14 billion Taiwan arms sale put on "pause" over Iran war The acting secretary of the U.S. Navy said Thursday that arm sales to Taiwan had been put on "pause" to ensure that the American military had sufficient munitions for its Iran operations. Asked at a congressional hearing about the stalled $14 billion weapons purchase by Taiwan, Acting Secretary Hung Cao said that "right now we're doing a pause in order to make sure we have the munitions we need for Epic Fury — which we have plenty."
changegonnacome Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Trump's Iran 'deal' is going to have a lot of critics......those trying to tear it down (Bibi/AIPAC) or use it as a told you so/political points scoring moment (DNC).....one thing that barely anybody will say (assuming he pulls this off) is that not many, if any President's in my lifetime after an Iran level mistake would have the strategic independence/flexibility, autonomy from the donor class & screw the critics attitude to get themselves out of a quagmire like this once they got themselves into it. The standard Presidential playbook, as evidenced by history, is to double down on failure hoping that victory might be just around the corner (it rarely/never is). Countless American lives have been lost and countless trillions have been have been incinerated this way. Kudos to President Trump for recognizing the reality of the moment and deciding to do the truly hard thing which is eat a bunch of crow and turn back here rather than continuing to wade into the big muddy.
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