LC Posted April 27 Posted April 27 52 minutes ago, Gregmal said: alcoholism which is probably one of the most serious mental illnesses out there It's all good - our boy Pete promised: Not that he has a problem, anyways!
Marco Van Basten Posted April 27 Posted April 27 34 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Given it's the other side that seems to usually be the ones shooting up schools and public events maybe this isn't the hill to die on. Really? Care to provide data?
dwy000 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 24 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: Really? Care to provide data? https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/politically-motivated-killers-51-years-terrorist-murders-us-soil-1975-2025
Gregmal Posted April 27 Posted April 27 In other news, the pedo craze is really taking off. The predominantly maga biopic “Michael” parted presumed Republican movie fans with nearly $100m over the weekend at the box office.
Sweet Posted April 27 Posted April 27 13 hours ago, Parsad said: Which violence problem are you talking about...Presidential assassination attempts (transparent and non-disclosed), which happen 1-5 times every presidential term on average, or mass shootings which happen once every two days in the United States? The point being made is just so fucked up by you and others in terms of ACTUAL violence! No one approves of presidential assassinations except the President and Bibi who just took out an entire administration in Iran...but don't let that strike any sort of chord or irony with you! It's only the liberal left that doesn't admit any sort of violence problem! Cheers! The unusual amount of assassination attempts against Trump, plainly. And the number of so-called decent people who would be quite happy to see the sitting president killed, despite your insistence that 'no one approves of presidential assassinations' - a statement that's obviously not true.
Marco Van Basten Posted April 27 Posted April 27 10 hours ago, dwy000 said: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/politically-motivated-killers-51-years-terrorist-murders-us-soil-1975-2025 There is a difference between an assassination attempt on a politician and a terrorist attack aimed at ordinary people. Essentially all of assassination attempts aimed at politicians in the US happen to be aimed at Republicans.
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 13 hours ago, cubsfan said: Really???? Obama served 8 years - zero attempts Biden served 4 years - zero attempts Clinton served 8 years - zero attempts Who are you kidding.. Hah! SS, FBI did a better job of protecting them and negating attempts...AI compared attempts against Obama and Trump per day...30 to 8...per day! No one wanted to kill Obama...what a fucking joke you guys are! Cheers! Obama: President Barack Obama faced a significantly high volume of threats, with some reports suggesting he was the most threatened president in United States history. While the Secret Service does not release exact, total figures to avoid encouraging copycats, here is the breakdown of information based on investigations and reports during his presidency: ABC7 Chicago Daily and Yearly Rates: In 2009, it was reported that Obama faced roughly 30 potential death threats a day, which was described by researchers as a 400% increase over the ~3,000 yearly threats faced by President George W. Bush. Total Investigations: Some reports cited unnamed Secret Service officials indicating that over 40,000 individual threats were investigated by the Secret Service between 2008 and 2012. Contradicting Official Statements: In December 2009, then-Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan disputed reports of a 400% increase, stating that the volume of threats was "comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton". Initial Spike: Following his election in 2008, the Secret Service was following up on roughly 50 threats per day, which was considered an unusually high number compared to previous presidential transitions. The Atlantic +5 Key Incidents and Context: Security Concerns: Due to the high number of threats, Obama received Secret Service protection earlier than any previous candidate, starting in May 2007. White House Shooting (2011): Oscar Ortega-Hernandez fired several shots from a rifle at the White House residential area; Obama was not home, but the event was a major security breach. Assassination Plots: Several plots were foiled, including a 2008 plot by white supremacists in Tennessee and another in Denver during the Democratic National Convention. Online Threats: Many of the threats investigated originated on social media platforms. Wikipedia +3 While the total number of threats is often cited in the tens of thousands, the majority were likely not deemed "credible" or actionable by the Secret Service, though they are all mandated to be investigated. Trump: As of April 2026, Donald Trump has faced an extraordinarily high volume of threats, with reports indicating roughly eight threats per day, totaling thousands per year. These include multiple high-profile incidents, such as two back-to-back assassination attempts in 2024 and a 2026 shooting incident. The U.S. Secret Service manages these persistent risks. CityNews Halifax +2 High-Volume Threats: Reports suggest an average of roughly eight threats per day, or approximately 2,000 per year, according to a former Secret Service Director. Assassination Attempts (2024): The Secret Service dealt with two major assassination attempts against Donald Trump within two months in 2024. 2026 Security Incidents: On April 25, 2026, a shooting incident occurred near a security screening area before President Trump was to speak at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner, which was the third major violent incident in two years. Previous Incidents: In 2018, a Utah man sent an envelope containing castor beans, which was intercepted. Ongoing Risk: The KBTX News 3 reports that the high number of public events for the President necessitates constant, elevated security. YouTube +6 These incidents highlight a heightened threat landscape, as discussed in Raksha Anirveda.
dwy000 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 8 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: There is a difference between an assassination attempt on a politician and a terrorist attack aimed at ordinary people. Essentially all of assassination attempts aimed at politicians in the US happen to be aimed at Republicans. A terrorist attack on ordinary people harms many, many, many more completely innocent people (often children) who do not live their lives in the public eye. So youre right, not the same thing. Check with Gabby Giffords and the Hortmans on the political side.
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 35 minutes ago, Sweet said: The unusual amount of assassination attempts against Trump, plainly. And the number of so-called decent people who would be quite happy to see the sitting president killed, despite your insistence that 'no one approves of presidential assassinations' - a statement that's obviously not true. Yeah...again, please fact check your comments...take a look at the stats I put up in response to Cubs. Obama had 30 threats a day compared to Trump's 8...that's a big difference no matter how you look at it. Certainly had more to do with race than policy! Whereas with Trump, it's policy rather than race! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 14 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: There is a difference between an assassination attempt on a politician and a terrorist attack aimed at ordinary people. Essentially all of assassination attempts aimed at politicians in the US happen to be aimed at Republicans. Again...bullshit! Take a look at the stats. Obama had 30 threats a day...Trump 8 into April 2026...George W. Bush like 5! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted April 27 Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yeah...again, please fact check your comments...take a look at the stats I put up in response to Cubs. Obama had 30 threats a day compared to Trump's 8...that's a big difference no matter how you look at it. Certainly had more to do with race than policy! Whereas with Trump, it's policy rather than race! Cheers! This is a classic, unwinnable internet argument on both sides. He’s clearly referencing the physical manifestation of “threats”. You had two guys under Bidens FBI that got close to Trump. Now one whom did under Trump. It’s not “competency of one group vs the other”. But you’re talking “threat” in another light, IE some guy posted something considered a threat on the internet…and it’s not wrong, but they’re two different things. A lotta people mouth off on the internet. Very few plan out an attack and then act on it. You guys are gonna go in circles arguing who’s right and both of you will be talking past each other.
cubsfan Posted April 27 Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Gregmal said: This is a classic, unwinnable internet argument on both sides. He’s clearly referencing the physical manifestation of “threats”. You had two guys under Bidens FBI that got close to Trump. Now one whom did under Trump. It’s not “competency of one group vs the other”. But you’re talking “threat” in another light, IE some guy posted something considered a threat on the internet…and it’s not wrong, but they’re two different things. A lotta people mouth off on the internet. Very few plan out an attack and then act on it. You guys are gonna go in circles arguing who’s right and both of you will be talking past each other. Yeah, that's pretty much right. I don't know anyone that wants Obama dead, but plenty of people that want Trump dead. The amount of people posting about "too bad this guy missed Trump" is amazing.
Gregmal Posted April 27 Posted April 27 13 minutes ago, Parsad said: Again...bullshit! Take a look at the stats. Obama had 30 threats a day...Trump 8 into April 2026...George W. Bush like 5! Cheers! Not to mention that the state of the world and internet will yield you outrageously different results. Like comparing baseball stats from 1940 to the steroid era. Fifteen years ago for instance, anyone could post anything on Facebook or Twitter. 50 cent supposedly had a male escort fuck and secretly record Rick Ross’s baby mama an then did play by play commentary on the video and posted it all over the internet and it was widely lauded as hilarious 50 “winning” in his feud with Ross. Today you post something crazy on Twitter or Facebook and the police show up at your house. Dubya…how you even evaluating that lol? People sending post cards? Leaving TDS like feedback on random amazon and eBay purchases? So yea, that stat, from any realistic analytic approach, is way too subjective and era specific to get anywhere with.
dealraker Posted April 27 Posted April 27 The Trump bunch needs to burn someone on the inside for allowing (???) these attempts to seemingly get so close. The Trump bunch needs to praise and promote someone on the inside for the massive political gains resulting from allowing (???) these attempts. In any event...whatever...the Don dominates news one way or another and it never ends. Tomorrow will be just as dramatic as today.
Sweet Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yeah...again, please fact check your comments...take a look at the stats I put up in response to Cubs. Obama had 30 threats a day compared to Trump's 8...that's a big difference no matter how you look at it. Certainly had more to do with race than policy! Whereas with Trump, it's policy rather than race! Cheers! I don’t know your sources and a brief examination of the 30 threats suggests it’s not reputable. And irrespective of ‘threats’ we are talking about assassination attempts - which is actual violence not imagined or threatened violence. 30 minutes ago, Gregmal said: This is a classic, unwinnable internet argument on both sides. He’s clearly referencing the physical manifestation of “threats”. You had two guys under Bidens FBI that got close to Trump. Now one whom did under Trump. It’s not “competency of one group vs the other”. But you’re talking “threat” in another light, IE some guy posted something considered a threat on the internet…and it’s not wrong, but they’re two different things. A lotta people mouth off on the internet. Very few plan out an attack and then act on it. You guys are gonna go in circles arguing who’s right and both of you will be talking past each other. Classic insofar as we are clearly talking about assassination attempts but for some reason it is being broadened out to mean something else loosely defined as ‘threats’. In my lifetime, I can’t only remember assassination attempts against Trump and I count at least three of them. Edited April 27 by Sweet
cubsfan Posted April 27 Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, dealraker said: The Trump bunch needs to burn someone on the inside for allowing (???) these attempts to seemingly get so close. The Trump bunch needs to praise and promote someone on the inside for the massive political gains resulting from allowing (???) these attempts. In any event...whatever...the Don dominates news one way or another and it never ends. Tomorrow will be just as dramatic as today. Yeah, attempted assassinations of the President is no big deal...just another ordinary day.
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 44 minutes ago, dealraker said: The Trump bunch needs to burn someone on the inside for allowing (???) these attempts to seemingly get so close. The Trump bunch needs to praise and promote someone on the inside for the massive political gains resulting from allowing (???) these attempts. In any event...whatever...the Don dominates news one way or another and it never ends. Tomorrow will be just as dramatic as today. +1! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 36 minutes ago, Sweet said: I don’t know your sources and a brief examination of the 30 threats suggests it’s not reputable. And irrespective of ‘threats’ we are talking about assassination attempts - which is actual violence not imagined or threatened violence. 30 per day in the first year...Trump had 8 per day in the last year during his first year of the 2nd term. The threats are viable threats that the secret service had to investigate or mitigate. There were several assassination attempts against Obama...like the one stopped at Mar-a-Lago. 36 minutes ago, Sweet said: Classic insofar as we are clearly talking about assassination attempts but for some reason it is being broadened out to mean something else loosely defined as ‘threats’. In my lifetime, I can’t only remember assassination attempts against Trump and I count at least three of them. Secret service management has been changed dramatically...in fact there have been massive broad changes in all departments of national and domestic security...several top positions that have been given to completely unqualified people. Do you think having incompetent heads of departments might have led to some of the security breaches...like an engineer sprinting through a security checkpoint with 7 security personnel guarding it, shooting one, and making it within 200 feet of the doors to one of the most prominent dinners in Washington? An 18-year old shooter climbing a low rooftop, while security and police are all around an open-air venue, as this teen terror shoots the President in the ear with his first shot with virtually no training or experience? These are failures in policing/security. Look at who they had leading Homeland Security and ICE? Look at who they have leading the FBI? Look at who they have leading the now fucked up War in Iran that should have been an absolute victory?! "Mines? Oh yeah, they could salt the entire Strait with mines like my margarita!" - Pete Hegseth with his frat boys after the Strait is blocked! Cheers!
Sweet Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, dealraker said: In any event...whatever...the Don dominates news one way or another and it never ends. Tomorrow will be just as dramatic as today. A lot of this is the news makers themselves. The BBC (my regular) or CNN, and others, both regularly have a ‘live’ section posted top of the page which just reports all the random crap that Trump says or does. If he farted loudly it would be front page. Edited April 27 by Sweet
Lazarus Posted April 27 Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Parsad said: Again...bullshit! Take a look at the stats. Obama had 30 threats a day...Trump 8 into April 2026...George W. Bush like 5! Cheers! Those stats are nonsense. Who is counting? What is their criteria? This is worse than the CNN fact-checkers.
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Just now, Lazarus said: Those stats are nonsense. Who is counting? What is their criteria? This is worse than the CNN fact-checkers. About as much nonsense as this post! What stats are you using? What criteria? What fact-checking have you done? Zero! Outrage without any sort of substance is just outrage...Trump's MO! Cheers!
Sweet Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Parsad said: 30 per day in the first year...Trump had 8 per day in the last year during his first year of the 2nd term. The threats are viable threats that the secret service had to investigate or mitigate. There were several assassination attempts against Obama...like the one stopped at Mar-a-Lago. Secret service management has been changed dramatically...in fact there have been massive broad changes in all departments of national and domestic security...several top positions that have been given to completely unqualified people. Do you think having incompetent heads of departments might have led to some of the security breaches...like an engineer sprinting through a security checkpoint with 7 security personnel guarding it, shooting one, and making it within 200 feet of the doors to one of the most prominent dinners in Washington? An 18-year old shooter climbing a low rooftop, while security and police are all around an open-air venue, as this teen terror shoots the President in the ear with his first shot with virtually no training or experience? These are failures in policing/security. Look at who they had leading Homeland Security and ICE? Look at who they have leading the FBI? Look at who they have leading the now fucked up War in Iran that should have been an absolute victory?! "Mines? Oh yeah, they could salt the entire Strait with mines like my margarita!" - Pete Hegseth with his frat boys after the Strait is blocked! Cheers! Like I say, I looked it up those figures and it’s not come from any official source. They could quite literally be made up. In any event, I don’t really know why we are talking about threats when the discussion was actual or attempted violence. Regarding the secret service, I don’t know what state they are in. They messed up at Butler sure but they’ve stopped two that we know of. Edited April 27 by Sweet
Hektor Posted April 27 Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Parsad said: No one wanted to kill Obama...what a fucking joke These 2 comes to mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_White_House_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_White_House_intrusion
Lazarus Posted April 27 Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: About as much nonsense as this post! What stats are you using? What criteria? What fact-checking have you done? Zero! Outrage without any sort of substance is just outrage...Trump's MO! Cheers! I see... I need to unequivocally disprove your use of inflated claims of '30 threats a day' or else it stands as fact. How about: I don't recall Obama ever getting shot. Is that concrete enough? As with many things in politics, I think it's better to just agree to disagree. You can continue to believe that Obama was hated 3x more than Trump and I can continue to believe otherwise.
Parsad Posted April 27 Posted April 27 8 minutes ago, Lazarus said: I see... I need to unequivocally disprove your use of inflated claims of '30 threats a day' or else it stands as fact. How about: I don't recall Obama ever getting shot. Is that concrete enough? As with many things in politics, I think it's better to just agree to disagree. You can continue to believe that Obama was hated 3x more than Trump and I can continue to believe otherwise. Just because he didn't get shot doesn't mean there weren't attempts. A guy fired multiple shots directly at the White House while Obama was in the building? So because Obama didn't get shot means that there was no threat or assassination attempt? Geez!
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