DooDiligence Posted March 31 Posted March 31 The law and order crowd. https://www.commondreams.org/news/jan-6-pardons-new-crime https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemency-grants-president-donald-j-trump-2025-present
ourkid8 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said: Actually, the article is a bald faced lie. If you bother to read the bill rather than the propaganda that FT & ourkid8 are putting out, you will see that there is nothing in the bill that prevents Jews who commit terrorist acts from being subject to the death penalty. As an aside, what is wrong with hanging murderers? I really enjoy responding to you as you make it too easy! - I’ll start with the spoiler that an Israeli will always go through the civilian court track! Summary: A Palestinian in the West Bank convicted of murdering an Israeli faces near-automatic death by hanging via military court. A Jewish Israeli (settler or otherwise) who kills Palestinians faces, at most, life imprisonment via civilian court — and even that is not guaranteed under the same framing. —- The Knesset passed the Penal Law (Amendment – Death Penalty for Terrorists) Bill on March 30, 2026 (62-48 vote, with Prime Minister Netanyahu voting in favor). It was pushed hard by far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his Otzma Yehudit party as part of coalition agreements. The bill's stated goal is to toughen punishment for deadly "terrorist" attacks motivated by the intent to "negate the existence of the State of Israel." Supporters frame it as justice for victims and deterrence in an ongoing war against groups like Hamas that openly call for Israel's elimination. However, the structure of the law creates two distinct legal tracks that, in practice, make the harshest penalties apply almost exclusively to Palestinians (particularly those in the West Bank), while shielding Jewish Israelis from equivalent treatment: 1. Military Courts Track (West Bank Palestinians): - Applies to non-Israeli citizens in the occupied West Bank. - Death by hanging becomes the default / quasi-mandatory sentence for convictions of deadly attacks classified as terrorism under Israeli military law. - Judges can only choose life imprisonment in vaguely defined "special circumstances" that must be explicitly recorded. - Executions are to occur within 90 days (extendable to 180). - These military courts handle only Palestinians (Israeli settlers/citizens are tried in civilian courts). Conviction rates in these courts are extremely high (often cited around 96-99.7%). 2. Civilian Courts Track (Inside Israel): - Applies to Israeli citizens - Death penalty is optional, not default. Judges retain broad discretion to impose life imprisonment instead. - It only kicks in for killings done "with the intent to negate the existence of the State of Israel" — a high bar that prosecutors and courts are unlikely to apply to Jewish perpetrators of nationalist or "price tag" attacks against Palestinians. Supporters of the bill, including some lawmakers, have publicly stated or implied there is "no such thing as Jewish terrorism" in the same category. Edited April 1 by ourkid8
dealraker Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Red Lion said: I agree with this, but it seems like he's able to make more on all of those fronts if the democrats don't take the house. That seems very probable though at this point. I think Trump gains more ground with conflict and grievance than with actual responsibility and decision where he contually is one step foward one step back.
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Let it go. I asked for a link. Please see a summary of the bill summarized by ChatGPT. - if you need anything else, feel free to holler!
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 51 minutes ago, Libs said: The problem is the 60% enriched nuclear material. How do we destroy / remove it? In fact that’s the easy part, they can go back to the initial agreement prior to the war where Iran agreed to give it up! - this time around they will extract a higher price!
Castanza Posted April 1 Posted April 1 54 minutes ago, Libs said: The problem is the 60% enriched nuclear material. How do we destroy / remove it? Borderline impossible unless you invade with a massive force. Going to have to be diplomacy.
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 48 minutes ago, cubsfan said: I like it - perfect! So Trump has another 5/6 days to take out military targets. Perfect -US leaves but that doesn’t mean Iran stops pounding Israel! If you haven’t noticed, Israel is running out of interceptors and Iran’s hit rate has gone up significantly! - they are prepared to continue this for years!
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, ourkid8 said: Perfect -US leaves but that doesn’t mean Iran stops pounding Israel! If you haven’t noticed, Israel is running out of interceptors and Iran’s hit rate has gone up significantly! - they are prepared to continue this for years! Works for me, now that the leaders are dead. Israel can handle the rest from here.
Parsad Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Perfect -US leaves but that doesn’t mean Iran stops pounding Israel! If you haven’t noticed, Israel is running out of interceptors and Iran’s hit rate has gone up significantly! - they are prepared to continue this for years! Didn't you say that Iran will never give up or negotiate? What I've noticed so far is that everyone who thinks that self-interest isn't going to lead to some sort of settlement has been wrong. Self-interest, the will to survive, is the strongest force in the living universe. So far you and Cubs have both been wrong...him thinking that Trump will never TACO and you for thinking that Iran is going to bludgeon its enemies by shutting the Strait. Notice how self-interest is moving both so-called "unmovable" entities to do the exact opposite of what you guys thought! Cheers!
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, cubsfan said: Works for me, now that the leaders are dead. Israel can handle the rest from here. I thought you were a Fairfax shareholder, Iran essentially has perfected the decentralized structure. Iran is fighting for their survival and you can continue to kill leadership at the top but they just keep going. - this video will help you better understand what is going on.
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Parsad said: Didn't you say that Iran will never give up or negotiate? What I've noticed so far is that everyone who thinks that self-interest isn't going to lead to some sort of settlement has been wrong. Self-interest, the will to survive, is the strongest force in the living universe. So far you and Cubs have both been wrong...him thinking that Trump will never TACO and you for thinking that Iran is going to bludgeon its enemies by shutting the Strait. Notice how self-interest is moving both so-called "unmovable" entities to do the exact opposite of what you guys thought! Cheers! Iran’s FM Araghchi confirms, “no negotiations has taken place.” - you can’t get any clearer than that! US is looking for an off-ramp, not Iran and they continue to execute against their playbook. - no deviations! If you look at every post I have made, I have kept the same stance and will continue to do so. Edited April 1 by ourkid8
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I thought you were a Fairfax shareholder, Iran essentially has perfected the decentralized structure. Iran is fighting for their survival and you can continue to kill leadership at the top but they just keep going. - this video will help you better understand what is going on. Thanks - I'm well aware of their cell structure. Very smart. Also explains how difficult it is to negotiate with them. Which gives the USA/Israel the green light to continue to destroy all the military & gov capabilities that they can. Once the US is done with the objectives Trump laid out - it's over to Israel, the Gulf States and others to conclude it. Works for me!
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Just now, cubsfan said: Thanks - I'm well aware of their cell structure. Very smart. Also explains how difficult it is to negotiate with them. Which gives the USA/Israel the green light to continue to destroy all the military & gov capabilities that they can. Once the US is done with the objectives Trump laid out - it's over to Israel, the Gulf States and others to conclude it. Works for me! As I have clearly said, Iran is not here to negotiate. Everyone is fully aware of Irans terms and you either accept or you don’t - they won’t sit at the same table with US again. @Viking is the only one here who fully understands what I have been saying and gets why Iran has the upper hand. Everything else besides the SoH is noise, however Iran still has one more card to play which can create checkmate with their Houthi friends
Spekulatius Posted April 1 Posted April 1 23 hours ago, ourkid8 said: At the rate these objectives are changing, it will come down to who can extract the greatest Ghormeh Sabzi from the country. (the countries most popular dish… lol) Iran has been executing against their plan to perfection with minimal deviations. US/Israel have no fucking idea what they are doing. - pretty pathetic tbh. Changing objectives is the Trumpian way. Note that regime change is off the table now too. It was a mistake of him to even mention it as it made it less likely, imo. Trump keep his goals vague is his way to always be able to declare victory. If this doesn’t work, he just changes subjects to another topic. Anyone remember the recent foibles of ICE /MN, Epstein, Greenland, Venezuela ,White House ballroom, Fed lawsuit etc.
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Iran’s FM Araghchi confirms, “no negotiations has taken place.” - you can’t get any clearer than that! US is looking for an off-ramp, not Iran and they continue to execute against their playbook. - no deviations! If you look at every post I have made, I have kept the same stance and will continue to do so. Hopefully, there will be no US ground invasion. IF it is "mission accomplished" - with virtually no US casualties - wonderful! The citizens of the USA will be delighted. Iran can then clean up their own mess and others will have to work something out to get their oil.
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: As I have clearly said, Iran is not here to negotiate. Everyone is fully aware of Irans terms and you either accept or you don’t - they won’t sit at the same table with US again. @Viking is the only one here who fully understands what I have been saying and gets why Iran has the upper hand. Everything else besides the SoH is noise, however Iran still has one more card to play which can create checkmate with their Houthi friends Yeah, sure. It's better if you don't negotiate. With the military seriously degraded, nukes gone, all defenses gone, hundreds of terrorist killed - we're done! Any attack needed later by Israel or USA - will be that much easier. Everyone is happy!
Parsad Posted April 1 Posted April 1 20 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Iran’s FM Araghchi confirms, “no negotiations has taken place.” - you can’t get any clearer than that! US is looking for an off-ramp, not Iran and they continue to execute against their playbook. - no deviations! If you look at every post I have made, I have kept the same stance and will continue to do so. https://seekingalpha.com/news/4570817-iran-ready-to-end-war-but-needs-guarantees--reports Cheers!
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Hopefully, there will be no US ground invasion. IF it is "mission accomplished" - with virtually no US casualties - wonderful! The citizens of the USA will be delighted. Iran can then clean up their own mess and others will have to work something out to get their oil. I hope as well however Iranians are looking forward to fight in a ground invasion. There are millions and millions who have volunteered to fight for their country and religion. There is also a massive group of Iraqis who are patiently waiting to fight for Iran. In Islam, woman are not required to fight but they have the largest force of woman in the Muslim world ready - it’s incredible and brings a tear to my eye how united this country is. My main concern is they successful at killing a significant amount of Americans soldiers and the US drops a nuke on them.
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I hope as well however Iranians are looking forward to fight in a ground invasion. There are millions and millions who have volunteered to fight for their country and religion. There is also a massive group of Iraqis who are patiently waiting to fight for Iran. In Islam, woman are not required to fight but they have the largest force of woman in the Muslim world ready - it’s incredible and brings a tear to my eye how united this country is. My main concern is they successful at killing a significant amount of Americans soldiers and the US drops a nuke on them. The only thing the citizens have to worry about is their own government killing them.
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Parsad said: https://seekingalpha.com/news/4570817-iran-ready-to-end-war-but-needs-guarantees--reports Cheers! Thats part of their original terms, they are not negotiating. Iran never wanted war, they are defending themselves as per the UN article 51. Please refer to @Viking post, the only thing I believe he missed was elimination of sanctions as well. Edited April 1 by ourkid8
Castanza Posted April 1 Posted April 1 22 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Thanks - I'm well aware of their cell structure. Very smart. Also explains how difficult it is to negotiate with them. Which gives the USA/Israel the green light to continue to destroy all the military & gov capabilities that they can. Once the US is done with the objectives Trump laid out - it's over to Israel, the Gulf States and others to conclude it. Works for me! 13 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Yeah, sure. It's better if you don't negotiate. With the military seriously degraded, nukes gone, all defenses gone, hundreds of terrorist killed - we're done! Any attack needed later by Israel or USA - will be that much easier. Everyone is happy! The US not only used billions in assets but they also lost billions in assets as well. How many bases have we lost? Deplete the stockpile and lost sr significant air assets. The uranium is still there and pretty much unrecoverable. Some argue Iran is more incentivized to build a nuke now, but I think that is neither here nor there. It’s debatable the Iranian people even have the means to overthrow their govt. Trump did accomplish a quasi regime removal, but the change part is to be seen. He did reduce any risk that Iran posed but at the same time left the door open for economic punishment while also running up our bill. The jury is out on whether the juice will be worth the squeeze. Trump has already positions Hegseth to be the fall guy. “This is Hegseth’s war.” He said yesterday.
cubsfan Posted April 1 Posted April 1 16 minutes ago, Castanza said: The US not only used billions in assets but they also lost billions in assets as well. How many bases have we lost? Deplete the stockpile and lost sr significant air assets. The uranium is still there and pretty much unrecoverable. Some argue Iran is more incentivized to build a nuke now, but I think that is neither here nor there. It’s debatable the Iranian people even have the means to overthrow their govt. Trump did accomplish a quasi regime removal, but the change part is to be seen. He did reduce any risk that Iran posed but at the same time left the door open for economic punishment while also running up our bill. The jury is out on whether the juice will be worth the squeeze. Trump has already positions Hegseth to be the fall guy. “This is Hegseth’s war.” He said yesterday. The damage done to their military factories, air defenses, navy, Air Force and leadership is incalculable. If they are set back 10 years in their nuclear missile goals - it's well worth. Now they get to deal with Israel with their incredible human intelligence. The IDF has proved capable of taking out any leader at any time. They can rebuild, all the time with a gun pointed at their head and a smart bomb pointed at their homes.
ourkid8 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Spekulatius said: Changing objectives is the Trumpian way. Note that regime change is off the table now too. It was a mistake of him to even mention it as it made it less likely, imo. Trump keep his goals vague is his way to always be able to declare victory. If this doesn’t work, he just changes subjects to another topic. Anyone remember the recent foibles of ICE /MN, Epstein, Greenland, Venezuela ,White House ballroom, Fed lawsuit etc. Agreed, remember his post on unconditional surrender? - I died laughing. Do you think he is that ignorant or has too much trust in the people around him?
DooDiligence Posted April 1 Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Agreed, remember his post on unconditional surrender? - I died laughing. Do you think he is that ignorant or has too much trust in the people around him? ¿Por que no los dos?
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