73 Reds Posted March 11 Posted March 11 25 minutes ago, Parsad said: I have no problem answering questions. I think what you are accusing others of is exactly what you are guilty of...the same hubris. You have every right to engage or disengage, but you definitely like to engage...you can't help yourself. When you assume I'm not answering a question, it's because frankly, I'm trying to disengage from all of this. In terms of doing away with this thread, it would only lead you and others (on both sides) to post elsewhere and pollute the entire board. The irony is we never had this problem before Trump was elected the first time. It wasn't like-minded individuals here either. If the time comes where I feel the need to purge the board and some of its membership...I'll do it. But it's the last thing I want to do since it reduces the exchange of ideas. So, getting rid of the thread isn't a viable solution...it would be something far more drastic! Actually, I have time and you guys are fun. But too many people here get too emotionally wrapped up in what amounts to nonsense. Like I said, I prefer to discuss these issues face to face rather than online (this is the only social media presence I really have) - people are a lot more apt to think and react in a constructive way when you are looking straight at them. Its really not hard to avoid politics when discussing most individual companies because unless you're trading the day's events, politics comes and goes and has little long term effect on corporate profits. And when it does, its too late to do anything about it anyway.
Gregmal Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Yea the “need politics” is the biggest farce here. Politics was outright banned in terms of discussion the second Trump left office in term one. There were even bans afterwards for people modestly mentioning politics. Or minor criticisms of Biden and crew. Then I guess the second Trumps back it’s mandatory cuz we need it for these retards whom frequent the investment bored to “let off steam”….(while never actually participating about investments lol) Edited March 11 by Gregmal
Parsad Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Gregmal said: Yea the “news politics” is the biggest farce here. Politics was outright banned in terms of discussion the second Trump left office in term one. There were even bans afterwards for people modestly mentioning politics. Or minor criticisms of Biden and crew. Then I guess the second Trumps back cuz we need it for these retards whom frequent the investment bored to “let off steam”…. It works both ways...not that I disagree with you completely here. Sometimes those that espouse to be the most tolerant are actually the least tolerant and tend to behave more self-righteous. Again, both sides are guilty of this, but I would agree that Liberals tend to be actually less tolerant if they disagree with something. The irony is most often lost on them! Conservatives on the other hand...well their ability for self-interest and self-preservation is just something that Liberals pretend they know nothing about, nor do they want to look like they care, but they do and end up doing the same...just more in private. Liberals are the shame eaters...Conservatives just gorge their fat asses and don't care! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, Parsad said: It works both ways...not that I disagree with you completely here. Sometimes those that espouse to be the most tolerant are actually the least tolerant and tend to behave more self-righteous. Again, both sides are guilty of this, but I would agree that Liberals tend to be actually less tolerant if they disagree with something. The irony is most often lost on them! Conservatives on the other hand...well their ability for self-interest and self-preservation is just something that Liberals pretend they know nothing about, nor do they want to look like they care, but they do and end up doing the same...just more in private. Liberals are the shame eaters...Conservatives just gorge their fat asses and don't care! Cheers! I think the issue here is much more clear cut. Liberals want to focus on essentially one person - all day every day. Conservatives, at least for the most part want to discuss policies.
Gregmal Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: It works both ways...not that I disagree with you completely here. Sometimes those that espouse to be the most tolerant are actually the least tolerant and tend to behave more self-righteous. Again, both sides are guilty of this, but I would agree that Liberals tend to be actually less tolerant if they disagree with something. The irony is most often lost on them! Conservatives on the other hand...well their ability for self-interest and self-preservation is just something that Liberals pretend they know nothing about, nor do they want to look like they care, but they do and end up doing the same...just more in private. Liberals are the shame eaters...Conservatives just gorge their fat asses and don't care! Cheers! What I wanna do is find some of the posts from the current complainers during the time period covering Bidens term, where they reported posts and openly played self righteous principal moaning about what they believed to be “political posts”….. As I’ve said, if nothing else, the amusement value is worth it.
dealraker Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) I will challenge the notion that Trump is making the US stronger. We are just now beginning the process to which a stronger/weaker country will evolve. Watch the US finances particularly. To me Trump is financially illiterate, he makes up for it personally by over-running the rule of law and by cheating. My bet is that the US will be weaker by the end of Trump's term, not stronger. Until then, that's 3 or so years from now, the jury is out. Using the US military to beat the crap out of others is not necessarily relevant to what I'm getting at. Edited March 11 by dealraker
dwy000 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: I think the issue here is much more clear cut. Liberals want to focus on essentially one person - all day every day. Conservatives, at least for the most part want to discuss policies. How exactly does one separate the policy discussion from the President who is initiating the implementation of those policies? I used to be conservative and now I'm not - because the person we are discussing actually has thrown most of the conservative policies i agreed with entirely out the window. (balanced.busget, cutting costs, free trade, government removed from business, etc)
RichardGibbons Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, dealraker said: My bet is that the US will be weaker by the end of Trump's term, not stronger. Come on, this isn't a fair bet at all. It's already substantially weaker since he took over, and the trend is clearly weaker.
73 Reds Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: Come on, this isn't a fair bet at all. It's already substantially weaker since he took over, and the trend is clearly weaker. By what measure?
RichardGibbons Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: By what measure? Ability to influence and impact the rest of the world in a way that is beneficial for the USA.
dealraker Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, dealraker said: I will challenge the notion that Trump is making the US stronger. We are just now beginning the process to which a stronger/weaker country will evolve. Watch the US finances particularly. To me Trump is financially illiterate, he makes up for it personally by over-running the rule of law and by cheating. My bet is that the US will be weaker by the end of Trump's term, not stronger. Until then, that's 3 or so years from now, the jury is out. Using the US military to beat the crap out of others is not necessarily relevant to what I'm getting at. Also, I think in the past both as president and as a businessman Trump often just ran away from the problems and failures he created. In other words he could create events that failed and just go away claiming victory or that he was ousted unfairly. I think, I've been a bit too confident before so take that in mind, that Trump has controlled events...events that now will likely begin to increasingly control him. And these are things he won't soon be able to run from.
John Hjorth Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 36 minutes ago, dealraker said: I will challenge the notion that Trump is making the US stronger. We are just now beginning the process to which a stronger/weaker country will evolve. Watch the US finances particularly. To me Trump is financially illiterate, he makes up for it personally by over-running the rule of law and by cheating. My bet is that the US will be weaker by the end of Trump's term, not stronger. Until then, that's 3 or so years from now, the jury is out. Using the US military to beat the crap out of others is not necessarily relevant to what I'm getting at. 25 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: Come on, this isn't a fair bet at all. It's already substantially weaker since he took over, and the trend is clearly weaker. From The Economist [partly subscription protected] : - - - o 0 o - - - To me, it must be evident for everyone, what's going on. Taking the future as colateral for the present. One does not have be a professor with a Ph.D. degree in macro economics to grasp that from the above. Edited March 11 by John Hjorth
cubsfan Posted March 11 Posted March 11 14 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: Ability to influence and impact the rest of the world in a way that is beneficial for the USA. There is definitely a divergence from the rest of the world, as Trump re-focuses on the Western Hemisphere including the United States. Latin Americans are loving it and the Europeans will have to learn to take care of themselves. It's about time.
73 Reds Posted March 11 Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: Ability to influence and impact the rest of the world in a way that is beneficial for the USA. Oh, you mean paying disproportionately for everyone else's benefit? How about the usual metrics like GDP, crime statistics, border security, return to capitalism, military strength and zeal?
cubsfan Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, 73 Reds said: How about the usual metrics like GDP, crime statistics, border security, return to capitalism, military strength and zeal? There you go! On that score, Trump gets an A+ no matter how much you don't like him. We've never seen anything like this success in 1 year. Unfortunately, it makes many of the Globalists look totally inept in front of their own citizens. And they certainly ARE inept. Here's a great read on what a mess Germany is: https://amgreatness.com/2026/03/10/the-global-elites-lose-again/ I find it shocking as I always viewed Germany as an economic powerhouse that was the envy of many countries (including the USA) for years.
John Hjorth Posted March 11 Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, cubsfan said: There is definitely a divergence from the rest of the world, as Trump re-focuses on the Western Hemisphere including the United States. Latin Americans are loving it and the Europeans will have to learn to take care of themselves. It's about time. Mike [ @cubsfan ], That's true, and so it should have been long time ago. We will get there, very fast, as fast as possible. It's happening now. The past is the past, however.
cubsfan Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, John Hjorth said: Mike [ @cubsfan ], That's true, and so it should have been long time ago. We will get there, very fast, as fast as possible. It's happening now. The past is the past, however. John - I'm pulling for you in every possible way.
RichardGibbons Posted March 11 Posted March 11 22 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Oh, you mean paying disproportionately for everyone else's benefit? How about the usual metrics like GDP, crime statistics, border security, return to capitalism, military strength and zeal? Paying disproportionately for everyone else's benefit is a form of power that they have decided to relinquish, hence reducing USA's power. So you're certainly right about that one--nice example. On the others, it's worth noting that we're talking about power, not things that get you horny about Trump. Crime and border security are orthogonal. GDP is unclear--so much heavy lifting is done by AI right now. It's unclear whether there's even a return to capitalism, because it more looks the opposite (government interference in business). Military strength is certainly down (using up weapons and can't even beat Iran, or even protect shipping in a tiny area like the Strait of Hormuz! It's kind of insane. I thought USA's military was supposed to be strong.) Zeal only actually matters to this conversation if it increases power; for the last year, it's done the opposite. So yeah. But the biggest deal is the loss of allies. Deals are happening in the world, and people are making plans, and for the first time in 80 years, USA has been relegated to the kiddie table. (e.g. under Biden, Trump 1, Obama, both Bushes, and Clinton, the most powerful western democracies would've signed onto the "Board of Peace". Now it's a punch line.)
John Hjorth Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, cubsfan said: John - I'm pulling for you in every possible way. Mike [ @cubsfan ], What you never hear a European politician say is that POTUS' call on this actually has been embarrasing - never! But here on CofB&F you hear from me. It's indeed soo embarrasing. By now, I think Denmark has reached the 5 per cent of GDP in defence spending, by initiatives taken and set to sea.
Spekulatius Posted March 11 Posted March 11 20 hours ago, moatrep said: I see Israel-Iran conflict as a Russia- US conflict. Russia would love to block the maritimal trade and get Asia and Europe as their market. If Iran gets Nukes they can block maritimal trade. But in this game China is with the US, they also are heavily dependant on maritimal trade. And the next to nothing Chinese support proves all this theory. China supports Iran and Russia via trade, supplying dual use technology and probably technology transfer as well, They do not support weapons directly to keep the plausible deniability option open. they sure like the US to get bogged down in a long war with Iran.
cubsfan Posted March 12 Posted March 12 28 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: Paying disproportionately for everyone else's benefit is a form of power that they have decided to relinquish, hence reducing USA's power. So you're certainly right about that one--nice example. On the others, it's worth noting that we're talking about power, not things that get you horny about Trump. Crime and border security are orthogonal. GDP is unclear--so much heavy lifting is done by AI right now. It's unclear whether there's even a return to capitalism, because it more looks the opposite (government interference in business). Military strength is certainly down (using up weapons and can't even beat Iran, or even protect shipping in a tiny area like the Strait of Hormuz! It's kind of insane. I thought USA's military was supposed to be strong.) Zeal only actually matters to this conversation if it increases power; for the last year, it's done the opposite. So yeah. But the biggest deal is the loss of allies. Deals are happening in the world, and people are making plans, and for the first time in 80 years, USA has been relegated to the kiddie table. (e.g. under Biden, Trump 1, Obama, both Bushes, and Clinton, the most powerful western democracies would've signed onto the "Board of Peace". Now it's a punch line.) Oh my gosh dude - you are really delusional. Another "America is losing the war" talking head. You sound like CNN. All in all, our so called "allies" are totally worthless with the exception of Israel. France, UK, Spain, Germany - totally pathetic. That group could not fight their way out of a paper bag. Tragic. And certainly, the Board of Peace takes the place of a totally nickel & dime and corrupt United Nations.
Spekulatius Posted March 12 Posted March 12 11 hours ago, 73 Reds said: Those countries are not run by religious fanatics where the religion dictates that Westerners must be annihilated. We have reached a seemingly mutual detante' with Russia and N. Korea. Both leaders place value on human life. Really can't believe this is even open for debate. Ideology and TDS really does a number on some folks. Whether they are religious fanatics or have their own ideology (like the nihilistic views that Putin has) does not make all that much of a difference- they are all fanatics. Hitler was not religious at all (he actually was atheist) but was the worst demagogue of all times (so far). And no Putin actually places no value on human life whatsoever as he sent hundred of thousand of his own people into a meat grinder with little to show for. Same with Kim Jong Un in North Korea.
cubsfan Posted March 12 Posted March 12 33 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Mike [ @cubsfan ], What you never hear a European politician say is that POTUS' call on this actually has been embarrasing - never! But here on CofB&F you hear from me. It's indeed soo embarrasing. By now, I think Denmark has reached the 5 per cent of GDP in defence spending, by initiatives taken and set to sea. Lead by example Denmark.
John Hjorth Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cubsfan said: ... All in all, our so called "allies" are totally worthless with the exception of Israel. France, UK, Spain, Germany - totally pathetic. That group could not fight their way out of a paper bag. Tragic. And certainly, the Board of Peace takes the place of a totally nickel & dime and corrupt United Nations. HaHa! Mike [ @cubsfan ], I'll steal that line! Great, just great! Edited March 12 by John Hjorth
cubsfan Posted March 12 Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: HaHa! Mike [ @cubsfan ], I'll steal that line! Great, just great! Haha - John - one of those American slang or idioms describing utter incompetence or weakness. I guess it translates well! Go for it.
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