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[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

@73 Reds,

 

I think things are actually material different here up in Northern Europe in pretty cosy, tiny Denmark compared to USA, but that may perhaps be a cognitive bias, because I've consistently removed such characters with such opinions and attitudes from my personal sphere. Never had time for such.

 

That said, I've been caught 'dearly' in racial prejudice some years ago myself, Christ, I'll never forget it, I was so embarrased about how dumb I was then, it's actually a funny story, and in the end I ended up getting a new friend! I'll share it later today in this topic.

Like investing in real estate, the issue is location, location and location, even in parts of Northern Europe.  Just returned from a short trip to Ireland.  Prejudice is still alive and well when it comes to those who live in the North.

[Castanza]

2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

@73 Reds,

 

I think things are actually material different here up in Northern Europe in pretty cosy, tiny Denmark compared to USA, but that may perhaps be a cognitive bias, because I've consistently removed such characters with such opinions and attitudes from my personal sphere. Never had time for such.

 

That said, I've been caught 'dearly' in racial prejudice some years ago myself, Christ, I'll never forget it, I was so embarrased about how dumb I was then, it's actually a funny story, and in the end I ended up getting a new friend! I'll share it later today in this topic.

 

Ayaan Hirsi Ali had to flee the Netherlands (her adopted country) because of radical Muslim groups literally hunting her down for speaking out against them in her film Submission while living there. They successfully murdered her film partner. The Netherlands had to house her in a prison to keep her safe until she was able to flee to the US. EU is going to struggle more with radical religious groups vs purely ethnic racism. There are issues all over for most every person. The only difference is perspective, personal anecdotes, and prime offender groups (ethnic, religious, etc.). 

[John Hjorth]

39 minutes ago, Charlie said:

This is true, but Trump brought bad behavior as one of the worst role models there is to a higher level.

There are a lot of (Trump behavior) imitation trolls out there.

 

Charlie [ @Charlie ],

 

Off topic :

 

How did you do that post above with double embedded, two level  quoting? I've personally nener figured that out since migration to latest board software platform here on CofB&F. Perhaps in a separate topic in the forum support form?

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, Charlie said:

This is true, but Trump brought bad behavior as one of the worst role models there is to a higher level.

There are a lot of (Trump behavior) imitation trolls out there.

 

Shame on those blacks and Hispanics that showed up in record numbers to elect Trump!  

 

How racist.

[dealraker]

2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

I think and have largely come to the conclusion that there’s shitty people everywhere. Some in clothing we instantly recognize was some in clothing meant to make us feel safe. I have little control over what other people do; the only consistent answer I’ve found is to lean on or flex the advantages we have. These people exist. Period. They may be more emboldened in certain situations, but they always exist. 
 

Having grown up not having the wealth or family connection advantages, and having been exposed to experiences that only recently seem to be getting the public’s attention via documentaries and television shows, maybe I’m a little callous to the “lower end” of the adversity experiences, ie name calling or a racist cop impounds my car in shithole Newark….idk…only answer I’ve ever found is to work what you have and play to your strengths. Which is thankfully what I’ve been able to do for my kids and will continue to unapologetically do.

 

I loved NJ and still do. But metaphorically vomitted in my mouth a little going home for a week last month and seeing everyone emboldened enough to disgrace their front yards with political signs. Thankfully I haven’t seen a single one since returning to my little bubble. 
 

 

Being the enablers we are we told him that if we had the slightest inclination he would do this again that we'd call the Highway Patrol and offer to pay out of pocket for them to stop him after any evening outing we deemed where he'd drink.  He was obsessed when in his teens to be a sophisticated grown up (being on the spectrum this is normal and honestly hilarious in its failure) and our "offer" made him mad as a hornet.  He's aged wonderfully, his acceptance of his personality type has made him even able to laugh at his youthful "adulting."  He still has to work through, at times literally will himself, into behaviors that are acceptable.  But it works and he is a delight these days.  He's even attuned to my multiple serious health problems, he monitors me like a hawk which I find a very nice part of my life.

[dealraker]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

 

Shame on those blacks and Hispanics that showed up in record numbers to elect Trump!  

 

How racist.

Cubs it isn't who voted for whom, it is simply that Trump violates every single trait-moral-value-principle that you personally have and yet you give him a free pass.   

[John Hjorth]

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

I personally think that you here aren't doing your best to read Charlies [ @Charlies] post  the way it was meant and by its sincerely meant intentions. Charlie has always been a nice guy here on CofB&F. His post was about example setting and being a role model related to not practicing bad behavior.

 

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In the Danish parlament we have a, by the parlament elected internally, chairman of the parlament, who directs all meetings with firm hands. The seat and position has always been going to one of the aged, seasoned MPs with tons of experience and with an impeccable reputation of good behavior, no matter political orientation. He or she corrects and stops every MP not correcly adressing all other members - all the time! -, correctly and by the standards : Not 'Rasmussen', but 'Mr. Rasmussen', or 'Miss [or Mrs.] Rasmussen, or 'Minister Rasmussen', if so. The chairman even and eventually have the competence to throw out a MP from parlament meetings [here called 'gatherings'] to cool off, thereby also in fact revoking voting rights temporarily, revoked while outside the door, if already adressed bad form continues, even the prime minister, if judged appropriate.

 

Then compare that to the behavior of the incumbent POTUS about adressing other persons.

 

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Then you twist Charlies [ @Charlies] post to something else than meant, deflect it, and are degrading your self to dubbing and name calling Charlie [ @Charlie] a racist.

 

- Charlie [ @Charlie ] can naturally reply for himself, btw. However I feel confident he isen't willing to engage further with you here  by now upon what he just experienced here.

Edited November 5, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Castanza]

17 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Cubs it isn't who voted for whom, it is simply that Trump violates every single trait-moral-value-principle that you personally have and yet you give him a free pass.   

 

Yeah I mean there is no denying that Trump is the most divisive POTUS to hold office in a long time. He's the new Nixon...But it's also true his antics are not necessarily a 1:1 reflection of the views held by his voters. The same can be said for both sides of the aisle. Two party system really causes people to throw the baby out with the bathwater because it doesn't allow for a nuanced expression of politics at the voter level.  

[rogermunibond]

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

Cubs it isn't who voted for whom, it is simply that Trump violates every single trait-moral-value-principle that you personally have and yet you give him a free pass.   

 

That's just your opinion cause you hate Trump - which means it's worthless to me.

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, John Hjorth said:

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

I personally think that you here aren't doing your best to read Charlies [ @Charlies] post  the way it was meant and by its sincerely meant intentions. Charlie has always been a nice guy here on CofB&F. His post was about example setting and being a role model related to not practicing bad behavior.

 

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In the Danish parlament we have a, by the parlament elected internally, chairman of the parlament, who directs all meetings with firm hands. The seat and position has always been going to one of the aged, seasoned MPs with tons of experience and with an impeccable reputation of good behavior, no matter political orientation. He or she corrects and stops every MP not correcly adressing all other members - all the time! -, correctly and by the standards : Not 'Rasmussen', but 'Mr. Rasmussen', or 'Miss [or Mrs.] Rasmussen, or 'Minister Rasmussen', if so. The chairman even and eventually have the competence to throw out a MP from parlament meetings [here called 'gatherings'] to cool off, thereby voting rights temporarily revoked while outside the door, if already adressed bad form continues, even the prime minister, if judged appropriate.

 

Then compare that to the behavior of the incumbent POTUS about adressing other persons.

 

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Then you twist Charlies [ @Charlies] post to something else than meant, deflect it, and are degrading your self to dubbing and name calling Charlie [ @Charlie] a racist

 

- Charlie [ @Charlie ] can naturally reply for himself, btw. However I feel confident he isen't willing engage further with you here  by now upon what he just experienced here.

 

John - I know English is not your first language, so I will let this pass and fill you in.  In NO WAY did I infer that @Charlie was a racist - you just don't understand English, that's all (although I think it's very good).

 

When I said "How racist" - that clearly means - the Blacks and Hispanics who voted for Trump are clearly racist.  Which presents a clear paradox for Charlie.

 

I'm sure Charlie is a wonderful and kind man - and I don't doubt that at all.

Most of the people on this board are the same - including you - although no one is  nearly as sensitive as you are...

[changegonnacome]

13 minutes ago, rogermunibond said:

 

Not surprised - I listened in to the Government's case.....quite weak....and again like lots of President Trump's maneuvers his supporters ought to think about an AOC Presidency.....declaring emergencies for sweeping executive power.....POTUS rescinding on spending approved by Congress.....it fundamentally tosses out the very architecture of the constitution.....indeed as the parties try to 'market' this shutdown to the public the Democrats aren't really calling out the reason for their extreme position on re-opening...and that is this rescission red line.....bipartisan deals & continuing resolutions done in Congress are now effectively meaningless because POTUS just decides not to spend the money as instructed.....this rescission red line that has been crossed by Trump takes whatever desire or rational there was for bipartisanship and tosses it on the fire.....because no deal is truly done until Trump decides to spend the money as Congress intended....and well via DOGE etc. he has shown that he is willing to gut any spending instruction from Congress....so whats basis for deal making in Congress if the mercurial man in the WH decides he won't be bound by it.....Congress becomes really a performative body.....and if your in opposition and the only leverage or control you have any more is on continuing resolutions....well I guess your gonna use em.

[dealraker]

17 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

That's just your opinion cause you hate Trump - which means it's worthless to me.

In effect then because you lust and love Donnie J this means your words too are worthless.

[Charlie]

3 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

Charlie [ @Charlie ],

 

Off topic :

 

How did you do that post above with double embedded, two level  quoting? I've personally nener figured that out since migration to latest board software platform here on CofB&F. Perhaps in a separate topic in the forum support form?

@John Hjorth 

 

You just click and copy it. 

[Sweet]

This is sort of the conclusion I’ve been reaching too:

 

Maybe I’m being pessimistic.  No idea who this tweeter is btw.

[John Hjorth]

4 hours ago, Charlie said:

@John Hjorth 

 

You just click and copy it. 

 

It simply does not for me personally work that way here on CofB&F. I suppose it's about CofB&Fs board permissions setup for user groups, are you personally in the user group 'members',' rare, or are you in  in the user group called 'member'?

 

-Thank you for replying!

[Marco Van Basten]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

This is sort of the conclusion I’ve been reaching too:

 

Maybe I’m being pessimistic.  No idea who this tweeter is btw.

There are no Uzbek nurses.  Uzbeks do not go into medicine.  

[John Hjorth]

16 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

There are no Uzbek nurses.  Uzbeks do not go into medicine.  

 

How can you post that here on CofB&F, @Marco Van Basten , without mentoning your reasoning and basis, sources?

Edited November 5, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Pauly]

14 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

There are no Uzbek nurses.  Uzbeks do not go into medicine.  

 

What a strange thing to say.

[DooDiligence]

25 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

It simply does not for me personally work that way here on CofB&F. I suppose it's about CofB&Fs board permissions setup for user groups, are you personally in the user group 'members',' rare, or are you in  in the user group called 'member'?

 

-Thank you for replying!

 

 

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Edited November 5, 2025 by DooDiligence

[Red Lion]

6 hours ago, Castanza said:

Two party system really causes people to throw the baby out with the bathwater because it doesn't allow for a nuanced expression of politics at the voter level.  

 

Great observation. I completely agree. 

[nsx5200]

5 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

[...]Congress becomes really a performative body.....and if your in opposition and the only leverage or control you have any more is on continuing resolutions....[...]

Listening to the podcast series "What Trump Can Teach Us About Con Law", it's pretty clear that the system of checks and balance is set up to be adversarial to work.  Each of the three branches are suppose to fight for their own turf and not cede too much of their power, with the House of Representative having a slight edge within the bicameral since they're the ones that are closest in representation to the people.  Currently, we've seen that there are serious collusions between the legislative branch and the executive branch, and it seems like the Judicial is becoming more political than before as well.  This does not bode well for the people.  That's why I'm starting to gain a new respect for MTG and her willingness to fight the system, no matter which 'side' is in power.  I may not agree with her reasons, but I can appreciate her fighting for what she believe is right for the people.  We need more people that's willing to fight for the people, even if the system is against them.

 

I don't want to name any names, but we are really all on the same 'side' with shared outcomes, so I urge people to debate about the merits of issues, and not which 'side' is winning or which 'side' is worse.  There are good ideas on both 'sides', and there are not-so-good ideas on both 'sides'.  Ideally, we pick the best ideas from both 'sides'.

 

For @John Hjorth:

Hover over the quote, and select that to cut/copy/paste it, even to a different quote.

[DooDiligence]

I've been doing some research on Australia and came across this:

 

 

 

I also saw this Sky vs Faux News comparison:

 

https://theconversation.com/sky-news-is-not-yet-fox-news-but-it-has-the-good-the-bad-and-the-uglies-72510

 

Any Ozzies here care to chime in?

[Marco Van Basten]

52 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

How can you post that here on CofB&F, @Marco Van Basten , without mentoning your reasoning and basis, sources?

Because when I lived in Uzbekistan, there were essentially no Uzbek nurses or doctors, particularly nurses.  I have also never seen an Uzbek nurse in a NYC hospital, and I have been to quite a few over the years, nor any of of my doctor friends have ever seen an Uzbek nurse in NYC.  

[Marco Van Basten]

54 minutes ago, Pauly said:

 

What a strange thing to say.

It is not.  I have lived in Uzbekistan for many years, and know people who have lived there for decades.  There were hardly any Uzbek nurses and very few Uzbek doctors, despite them enjoying preference for university admissions for these and other fields.  

Edited November 6, 2025 by Marco Van Basten