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[cubsfan]

13 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Maybe Trump will pardon Kirk's shooter the same way he pardoned the PATRIOTS that stormed the White House on Jan 6, leading to the deaths of multiple people. 

 

 

God's perfect law: Stoning gay people to death -Charlie Kirk

You can interpret that however you want, Sweet.

 

What a phony you are. The "Patriots" were unarmed. But hundreds of capitol police had guns.

 

4 Protesters died that day.  One Policeman died on Jan 7th of a stroke.

 

-One was shot by an policeman in the head because she climbed through a window.

 

- Three other protesters died of heart attacks/strokes

 

The out-of-control policeman that shot the defenseless woman was given a promotion.

Edited September 11, 2025 by cubsfan

[LC]

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"Pipe bombs were found at the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee headquarters, and Molotov cocktails were discovered in a vehicle near the Capitol."

 

https://www.uscp.gov/about/honoring-our-fallen/officer-brian-sicknick

On January 6, 2021, Officer Brian Sicknick responded to the U.S. Capitol to defend Congress from a violent mob that had tried to prevent the certification of the 2020 Presidential election results. He was assaulted by rioters, including being directly attacked with pepper spray. He later suffered two strokes and died the next night. Officer Sicknick had served with the USCP for more than 12 years, and served in the First Responder’s Unit.

 

 

 

Sure cubs, I'm the phony. Those poor Patriots were just trying to MAGA. They were the victims. And they all deserve blanket pardons, every one of them.  

 

To Eldad's point: the political hypocrisy. 

[adesigar]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-lawmaker-demands-trump-rescind-jan-6-pardons-response-kirk-assassination
 

 

[Sweet]

54 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Maybe Trump will pardon Kirk's shooter the same way he pardoned the PATRIOTS that stormed the White House on Jan 6, leading to the deaths of multiple people. 

 

 

God's perfect law: Stoning gay people to death -Charlie Kirk

You can interpret that however you want, Sweet.

Trump didn’t pardon everyone, some were commuted, and a dude who plotted to kill an officer was not covered in the pardon.  None of those pardoned killed anyone.

 

The ‘leading to multiple deaths’ is a sleight of hand.  One person died directly as a result of actions taken on the day - Ashli Babbitt - a protestor / rioter who was shot by police in the shoulder and died of her injuries.  The rests of the deaths were either natural causes, suicide and a drug overdose.  Source:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Regarding Kirk, I’ll say it again.  He was rebuting a point made by ‘Ms Rachel’.  Christians, believe the New Testament carries the most weight.  Kirk has openly said that Jesus carried out God’s law perfectly, and Jesus said ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’.  Kirk didn’t say what you claimed, and with some basic research about other things he said I feel confident that you can’t infer that either.

 

So threes points you raised, and every one of them is deceptive in one way or another.

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Sweet

[Sweet]

32 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Sure cubs, I'm the phony. Those poor Patriots were just trying to MAGA. They were the victims. And they all deserve blanket pardons, every one of them.  

 

To Eldad's point: the political hypocrisy. 

 

Bro - nobody was charged for the pipe bombs so how could Trump pardon that person?

 

The USCP admitted Sicknick died of natural causes in the line of duty: “That day, US. Capitol Police released a statement that read: “The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia’s Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.”

 

Do you just deceive all the fucking time?

 

Edited September 11, 2025 by Sweet

[LC]

A cop who was attacked and maced, then had 2 strokes and died. Natural causes?

Yeah, the same way Charlie Kirk died of blood loss. 

 

When a treasonous political mob raids the US capitol and then are all pardoned. What message does that send? 

 

When someone says, "The bible says we should all love one another" and Kirk disputes that with "No the bible says stone gays". What message does that send? 

 

I think I can infer meaning here. 

If you can't, or don't want to, that is your prerogative. 

[cubsfan]

41 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Sure cubs, I'm the phony. Those poor Patriots were just trying to MAGA. They were the victims. And they all deserve blanket pardons, every one of them.  

 

To Eldad's point: the political hypocrisy. 

 

Yeah, not an ounce of sympathy for the poor girl shot dead.

 

Put 1200 people in jail for your "insurrection"

[LC]

Here's a photo of just another Patriot who is definitely not armed with a stun gun after non-violently breaking into a Senator's office:

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2022/01/05/gettyimages-1230454190-edit_custom-9af43b52e31f5156228783034468ee0b43b0eefb.jpg?s=2600&c=85&f=webp

 

Thankfully he was pardoned by Trump for his unarmed and nonviolent expression of political disagreement. 

[LC]

17 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Yeah, not an ounce of sympathy for the poor girl shot dead.

 

I have more sympathy for her getting caught up in the violence and misery that Trump has inflicted on his supporters and this country. 

 

I mean he literally whipped up such a frenzy that his supporters refused to accept an election loss, broke into Congress, and ultimately died because of it. All while he sat back and watched it happen.

 

And instead of trying to calm the waters for the good of the country, he continues to incite such division that now people on the opposite political spectrum are shooting his goon lieutenants. 

 

Does Trump have no shame? I know the answer and you do too.

 

But at least I don't hide behind the kind of nonsense that disgraces an officer by reducing defending his country to "he died of natural causes".

Edited September 11, 2025 by LC

[Spekulatius]

On 9/7/2025 at 11:13 PM, whiskybravo said:

https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/horror-video-of-ukrainian-refugee-iryna-zarutskas-slaughter-on-charlotte-train-is-met-with-deafening-silence/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
 

Even when it happens in red states democrats own this problem.  Democrat politician and media indifference.  This Ukrainian refugee should have been safe in America.  Instead she was senselessly slaughtered from behind on a train.  

13 previous arrests.  Charlotte mayor: “We can’t arrest are way out of this problem.”  
 

Happened August 22.  Im just hearing about it today.  No national media coverage. Really? A refugee flees a war zone and is randomly murdered here.

Since I live in Charlotte - this has gotten pretty decent media coverage locally. Why do you have think a single murder deserves national coverage?  Murders do occur every day.

[cubsfan]

32 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Since I live in Charlotte - this has gotten pretty decent media coverage locally. Why do you have think a single murder deserves national coverage?  Murders do occur every day.

 

It's real simple.

 

Because of the coverup and the narrative.

 

They hid it from the public, as it does not fit the DEI narrative of whites, overwhelmingly, killing blacks.  

 

It destroys DEI, as they let a 25 time convicted and very dangerous felon out to kill the poor girl. He was black and very dangerous. DEI doesn't care about the public.

[Castanza]

4 hours ago, LC said:

 

"He didn't say to stone gay people, he just said that God's law to stone gay people is totally righteous!" 

 

Yes this is just a totally reasonable person who was simply misinterpreted by the damn liberal media!

 

Oooookay

 

If you want to run around in circles to defend this guy that is your prerogative.

Everything you quoted was either out of context, twisted, or lacking any context in general; not to mention no personal understanding.  
 

The “gay stoning laws” you’re referring to are likely from the book of Leviticus in the Bible. If you do not know the Bible, the context of the time it was written, the purpose of the book Leviticus or how that book ties into the New Testament and the fulfillment of the Law;………aaaaaand you’re not going to take the time to understand those things you probably shouldn’t comment on it. 
 

One they are not relevant today. Two it was written specifically for the Israelites in a specific context (temple worship). Three those laws were extreme and untenable rules God gave to the Israelites to show them that they can never be perfect and approach God without a perfect sacrifice (Jesus in the New Testament). Leviticus is essentially a moral metaphor to show the Israelites that nothing they do is good enough and ultimately “salvation” comes through Faith in Jesus and not through good works or the Law. 
 

 

[Castanza]

1 hour ago, LC said:

 

I have more sympathy for her getting caught up in the violence and misery that Trump has inflicted on his supporters and this country. 

 

I mean he literally whipped up such a frenzy that his supporters refused to accept an election loss, broke into Congress, and ultimately died because of it. All while he sat back and watched it happen.

 

And instead of trying to calm the waters for the good of the country, he continues to incite such division that now people on the opposite political spectrum are shooting his goon lieutenants. 

 

Does Trump have no shame? I know the answer and you do too.

 

But at least I don't hide behind the kind of nonsense that disgraces an officer by reducing defending his country to "he died of natural causes".

Trump aside…
 

So you’re saying angry citizens should target other citizens public and private instead of taking up their anger with the government directly? 
 

How about the hundreds of billions of dollars in damages to private property and private business for the George Floyd riots? How about Maxine Waters and about a dozen other Democratic politicians calling for “violence in the streets.” You had Nadler say “Antifa is a myth.” Steve Scalise? Ever hear of him?  Trump assassination attempt? Now you have political pundits being shot. Are Conservatives out there rioting and burning down private industry right now because of the Kirk shooting?
 

I agree the Capitol stuff got out of hand and some people should have been prosecuted. The whole rigged election was way out of hand (Trump and Hillary both said it). But the majority of the people in attendance were there for a rally…they followed everyone else in and literally walked through the building. There was a small amount of people who did damage. How many people were shot? How many guns were brought? 
 

Comparing that to assassination attempts and successful ones along with hundreds of billions of dollars in damages to private property is bonkers. The Capitol building has a long history of riots and protests. 
 

 

[Eldad]

1 hour ago, Castanza said:

Everything you quoted was either out of context, twisted, or lacking any context in general; not to mention no personal understanding.  
 

The “gay stoning laws” you’re referring to are likely from the book of Leviticus in the Bible. If you do not know the Bible, the context of the time it was written, the purpose of the book Leviticus or how that book ties into the New Testament and the fulfillment of the Law;………aaaaaand you’re not going to take the time to understand those things you probably shouldn’t comment on it. 
 

One they are not relevant today. Two it was written specifically for the Israelites in a specific context (temple worship). Three those laws were extreme and untenable rules God gave to the Israelites to show them that they can never be perfect and approach God without a perfect sacrifice (Jesus in the New Testament). Leviticus is essentially a moral metaphor to show the Israelites that nothing they do is good enough and ultimately “salvation” comes through Faith in Jesus and not through good works or the Law. 
 

 

+1 

Was trying to think of how to say that but could not. You did it very well. 

[LC]

Castanza, I'll simply not debate whether certain parts of the bible are relevant to "Christians". That's between you and you.

 

I will say that if one can't read between the lines of Kirk quoting a passage about stoning gays in response to another quote about loving your neighbor, what else can be said? Like I told Sweet, interpret it as you will. 

 

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So you’re saying angry citizens should target other citizens public and private instead of taking up their anger with the government directly? 

 

I didn't say that nor did I even imply it...

 

I think it's all hypocrisy...and I'll repeat my point: I think it's sad that Trump has whipped up this political frenzy to the point that right wing protestors are caught up in treasonous riots and dying. And left wing protestors are looting and burning businesses and shooting pundits, and this thread has thousands of comments...I find it embarrassing that so many Americans think Donald Trump and his little family of dumbasses are worth any of this. 

 

Kirk contributed to this frenzy, and he chose to hide behind plausible deniability to his own demise. Well, if you play stupid games, you may win stupid prizes...

 

Find the shooter and prosecute him like any other criminal, same with the Jan 6 rioters, same with the George Floyd riot looters. Is that what Trump is doing? Or is he pardoning one group while manhunting for the other group? 

[Buckeye]

6 hours ago, Sweet said:

Have you said that you think Kirk’s murder is wrong Buckeye?

 

Are you triggered by trolling now too?  If you can’t take it don’t give it - that would be my advice.

 

My kids love me btw, and I love them - I’m blessed.  But sure, talk about my kids more, it definitely makes one of us look bad lol.

 

If you consider accusing someone of condoning murder and also accusing that same person of possibly murdering someone because of your triggering words “trolling” you have a very high bar for violence.  Which tbh, doesn’t surprise me after learning that you spend your free time watching horrible videos of horrible people saying horrible shit. 
 

The only reason I mentioned your kids is because YOU brought them up. Something about “Ew, my wife and kids are American but we’ll never live there.  Ew, my kids will be raised blah, blah, blah.”  Great dude, so you’re never living here, we get it, we’re probably better off without you.  Show your kids this thread and how you spent your day and let us know how proud of you they are. 

 

You post videos that the algorithm serves you up to get you all fired up and pissed off.  Your videos are not indicative of what the majority of the people on the left think and feel. You are filling your head with shit that is being produced by the most crazy 1% of the population.  You are what you consume.  You should know that it’s not that bad here. This country, despite all its problems, is still the best fucking country in the world.  Way better than your shitty food, shitty cars, and shitty weather.  

Edited September 12, 2025 by Buckeye

[adesigar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators
 

 

[Castanza]

40 minutes ago, LC said:

Castanza, I'll simply not debate whether certain parts of the bible are relevant to "Christians". That's between you and you.

 

I will say that if one can't read between the lines of Kirk quoting a passage about stoning gays in response to another quote about loving your neighbor, what else can be said? Like I told Sweet, interpret it as you will

It’s not an opinion between me and me; it’s a pretty well fleshed out theological standard. You do not need to be a “Christian” to understand this basic theme, principle, or meaning of this part of the Bible. Along with the “love thy neighbor” which you give zero context nor show any understanding of the passage. If you did I don't think you’d be coming to the conclusions you are. You don’t want to discuss it so moving in.  
 

45 minutes ago, LC said:

Kirk contributed to this frenzy, and he chose to hide behind plausible deniability to his own demise. Well, if you play stupid games, you may win stupid prizes...

Who’s the judge? I didn’t agree with many things Charlie said nor did I personally like his approach. But since when is open debate in a public forum on college campuses a “stupid game” that is deserving of assassination? You’re conflating your disagreement with his opinions and a “stupid game.” If this approach is not welcome in college campuses then the higher education in this country is worse than I first thought. 
 

 

[LC]

 

26 minutes ago, Castanza said:

Who’s the judge?

 

That's my point. Yet look at the political climate - people obviously are judging. By storming the capitol, shooting politicians and pundits...Trump and his squad have turned the temperature up, Kirk was a part of that. That much is plain as day, but some people I suppose would choose to remain willfully ignorant to that. Maybe it overlaps with religion and bible quotes, I don't know.

 

As much as cubs and I disagree on issues, I can at least respect that he doesn't pretend Trump and those in his slipstream are something other than sharks.

[Parsad]

16 hours ago, Sweet said:

 

This morning I have two opposing thoughts.  The first is I want to just delete all social media and tune out, focus on my family and bringing them up, it is after all my primary duty in life now - something Kirk had taken from him.  The opposing thought is that being aware of all this bs that is happening is important to understand to equip my kids as adults.

 

To your point about rhetoric, I've not seen many on the right calling for or cheering the death.  I don't know if anyone saw the TMZ video, they were livestreaming from their offices and people in the room were cheering when Trump tweeted Kirk had died.  TMZ denied it had anything to do with Kirk's death but I don't believe them.  And there are many others, there was a guy in the crowd at the event cheering when Kirk feel off his chair, there are loads of left wing commentators cheering.  It's despicable behaviour from the 'be kind crowd', and it is radicalsing.

 

It wasn't so long ago that the left on America was taking the knee, for defunding the policy and sloganing Black Lives Matter.  Twitter has become more right leaning since the takeover, so I know it is not fully representative, but even there I don't see prominent right wingers calling for violence against lefties.  The Black Lives Matter just hours before Kirk's murder was posting that there is a time for violence of oppressed people and the time was now.

 

The Nazis, fascists, Hitler, dictator... from which side does that rhetoric mostly come from.  I am all for bringing the temperature down, but where is the contrition, where is the fix?  There are groups in society (left mostly but right too) who wrongly but genuinely believed they are being oppressed in some way, and this victimhood is what underpins the want for violence.  

 

Immediately after the shooting, Bannon and a number of other MAGA hosts started saying that this is a war...that they are at war...that they were going to do something about this!  

 

Not sure where the heck you got the idea that TMZ would/could be involved in Kirk's death.  

 

The left was pushing the right with Obama and Biden...but the bulk of this rhetoric and animosity originated with Trump's 1st term where he essentially disposed of any decorum, attacked almost everyone on the left and became increasingly confrontational.  It just went to another level during Biden's term when they were railing against MAGA and the GOP, but Trump turned the volume up to maximum in his 2nd term.  MAGA supporters back what he's doing in terms of his mandate, but even they have to admit that Trump's actions and behavior have been pushing boundaries in almost every area he touches this term.

 

So let's stop with the left mostly bullshit...it always takes two to tango and the left and right have been both guilty of the outcomes we are seeing!  Cheers!  

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Charlie Kirk acknowledged that the privilege of gun ownership sometimes results in gun deaths.  This is, and should be no great revelation.  Personally I don't own a gun but very much support the 2nd Amendment.  Guns don't kill, shooters do.      

 

What about accidental shootings?  I have a different view on this.  My cousin in Minneapolis was pregnant when her partner and his friend were fooling around with a gun the friend brought over.  The friend accidentally shot my cousin's partner.  There was no real shooter...it was just an accident.  But you guys enjoy your guns and all of the accidental shootings each year...nearly 500 a year.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, Gregmal said:

100%. I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was til yesterday. After some brief reading, I may of course have it wrong, but what I got was... He was a 31 year old whom enriched himself, basically monetizing divisiveness. 
 

The Ukrainian girl was murdered taking the train home from her real world, society contributing job. Charlie on the other hand was at self aggrandizing pep rally. 
 

It’s all such a shame. If nothing else I think everyone needs to take a step back and on 9/11 especially, realize the dangers of ideology.

+1!  Good post Greg! 

 

It's a tragedy what happened, but some perspective is needed.  Also, why is he getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom?  Half staff honors...ok fine, he was close to the Trump family...but the highest civilian honor?  

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, Castanza said:

 

Definitely agree! Being divisive with large audiences has never been easier. 

 

Would be curious to know what those who lived through the Nixon era think about the current political climate. From a perspective of (I've read about it) it seems very similar.

 

 

Just watch old episodes of "All in the Family" and you'll see how divisive things were back then.  Also, many of the exact same problems that the left and right shout about today appear on the show. 

 

If it wasn't sad, it might be hilarious...humanity is the living essence of that saying about insanity...doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

13 hours ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ I'd agree with all of that. In regards to Kirk, you have someone who was passionate about fixing America and restoring American values. He was not about division - he was about understanding and a return to common sense.

 

Cubs, he probably had plenty of salient points, but like most Youtube/podcast figures, he was milking divisiveness and making a sweet buck from it.  Last week he was taunting Taylor Swift to obey her husband, stay in the kitchen, etc.  The guy was an outspoken showman like most of these guys on the left and right.  

 

He didn't deserve what happened, and certainly his family didn't, but when you are in the MSM (I don't differentiate like you guys because they all play the game), then you put yourself out there to extremists or disgruntled nutjobs.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

13 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Pretty disgusting.  The DEI lunatics cut this criminal loose after 25 arrests - many violent.  The DEI mayor and police totally covered it up. A hard working investigator use a Free-of-Information order to obtain the tape - and broke the story. The coverup IS the story as well as the horrific murder.  

 

The feds have ripped this investigation out of the hands of the local DEI authorities as they know they tried to cover it up. 

 

This travesty does not fit the DEI narrative of "blacks killing white women".

 

Just stick a 25 year old white male killing a young black woman in the same manor and you would have rioting and cities burning down, just like George Floyd.

 

Yeah, this is the type of rhetoric that creates the divisiveness.  Black women are killed daily and in greater numbers than most other races.  It's not fair or right to put this crap out there.  Cheers!