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dwy000 Grand Master

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Just now, Gregmal said:

And that’s why I wouldn’t argue with the failure part. It was always championship or bust. That was the standard and they were the MLB gold standard. Now Hal is content doing just enough to be in the mix. Never the best, never the worst, but where it counts, outspent by the Dodgers and Mets, out moneyballed by the Rays and Sox, just a mediocre franchise within the context of their former glory. 

As a huge Yankees fan we are probably off topic (although the comparison to California is apt) but I'd struggle to call them mediocre.  They went to the World Series last year and made the playoffs 7 of the last 8 years. There are 31 teams that would love to fail as badly as the Yankees every year.  They are the target for every single team and probably the most hated (and loved) team in baseball.  But the one thing they do more consistently than any other team, year after year, is contend.  

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53 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

As a huge Yankees fan we are probably off topic (although the comparison to California is apt) but I'd struggle to call them mediocre.  They went to the World Series last year and made the playoffs 7 of the last 8 years. There are 31 teams that would love to fail as badly as the Yankees every year.  They are the target for every single team and probably the most hated (and loved) team in baseball.  But the one thing they do more consistently than any other team, year after year, is contend.  

 

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DooDiligence Grand Master

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2 hours ago, thepupil said:

 

maybe it's not necessary to say this and it's me taking something Gregmal typed without thinking all too seriously....

 

but California has the most GDP and the 3rd or 4th most GDP per capita in the U.S.; it is the largest agricultural producer, the largest net contributor of tax revenue to the federal government, the seventh largest oil producer, the most populous state, and is the birthplace (depending on how one counts) of six of ten of the largest companies by market cap in the U.S. just eyeballing it. 

 

seems pretty good for a feckless failure, no?

 

I mean I generally don't like many of blue state america's local and state politics and i don't deny certain negative trajectories or quality of life issues from many democratic self inflicted wounds, but it's from a longstanding position of relative strength. 

 

How dare you interrupt the narrative with facts. /s

 

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Buckeye Rising Star

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1 hour ago, Gregmal said:

This was what I was typing without thinking of it too seriously. It’s the current state of affairs and the trajectory. Not what was once great about it. California was a beautiful and prosperous land of opportunity(for pretty much its entire existence) until it was ruined by progressive ideology and politics the last decade. And the numbers don’t lie. Those great businesses are fleeing, and same with the people. Don’t really care how great it once was, same can be said for a lot of places. Today it’s what? The land of face masks and colorful shoes? 

I know you’ve mentioned that you get most of your news from 10Ks (LOL) but if you did follow the news, you’d know that a lot of those people/companies that have moved out of the state have moved, or are moving, back. There was an article in The WSJ Rag a few weeks ago about it.  But keep on hating on California like a true patriot. 👍  

Gregmal Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

I know you’ve mentioned that you get most of your news from 10Ks (LOL) but if you did follow the news, you’d know that a lot of those people/companies that have moved out of the state have moved, or are moving, back. There was an article in The WSJ Rag a few weeks ago about it.  But keep on hating on California like a true patriot. 👍  

The statistics aren’t on your side here 

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thepupil Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

 Today it’s what? The land of face masks and colorful shoes? 

 

today it's the 4th largest economy in the world, the largest university system in the US, the dominant epicenter of AI companies...it seems pretty hefty/important/relevant to me...and quite quickly the narrative around SF (not LA) has changed w/ new mayor and AI boom..

 

for the avoidance of doubt, I think "protesters" engaging in various crimes should be arrested and prosecuted.

 

I just find the "fuck california" sentiment from the more trumpian posters here as strange given the importance of california to the U.S. it's red state / blue state tribalism taken to an unfortunate extreme and out of line with economic reality. 

 

 

 

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cubsfan Grand Master

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I think we all wish the best for California. I absolutely love the place and always have.

 

But the last 20 years of leadership have wrecked the place.

 

Residents have voted with their feet.

 

 

 

 

Gregmal Grand Master

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12 minutes ago, thepupil said:

 

today it's the 4th largest economy in the world, the largest university system in the US, the dominant epicenter of AI companies...it seems pretty hefty/important/relevant to me...and quite quickly the narrative around SF (not LA) has changed w/ new mayor and AI boom..

 

for the avoidance of doubt, I think "protesters" engaging in various crimes should be arrested and prosecuted.

 

I just find the "fuck california" sentiment from the more trumpian posters here as strange given the importance of california to the U.S. it's red state / blue state tribalism taken to an unfortunate extreme and out of line with economic reality. 

 

 

 

Well, when you have their current leaders denying violence is occurring and interfering with constitutionally kosher immigration enforcement, you kinda wanna see them get what they deserve. Same with how they behaved during covid. 

LC Grand Master

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California is the most successful state in the Union...those who don't like it can continue pissing into the wind but I don't see what good it does to continuously ignore success simply because you don't agree with its politics or image.

 

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adesigar Rising Star

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2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

This was what I was typing without thinking of it too seriously. It’s the current state of affairs and the trajectory. Not what was once great about it. California was a beautiful and prosperous land of opportunity(for pretty much its entire existence) until it was ruined by progressive ideology and politics the last decade. And the numbers don’t lie. Those great businesses are fleeing, and same with the people. Don’t really care how great it once was, same can be said for a lot of places. Today it’s what? The land of face masks and colorful shoes? 


LOL. You mean the past decade where California share of US gdp has grown? 

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I think they must be relying on alternative facts. Probably watching too much Faux news. 

1 hour ago, DooDiligence said:

 

How dare you interrupt the narrative with facts. /s

 

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Sweet Grand Master

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47 minutes ago, LC said:

California is the most successful state in the Union...those who don't like it can continue pissing into the wind but I don't see what good it does to continuously ignore success simply because you don't agree with its politics or image.

 


It’s more than just politics and image.  They are actively preventing the enforcement of the law.

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Gregmal Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, adesigar said:


LOL. You mean the past decade where California share of US gdp has grown? 

What does this have to do with anything? Things like quality of life, and rule of law? Such a dumb argument....I'd bet NYC and Chicago are up there too! Total shocker big business is in population dense MSAs! 

 

Meanwhile Vermont and New Hampshire, widely considered by many as the some of the best overall quality of life states, darnit, a failure cuz GDP is like bottom 15%....

cubsfan Grand Master

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27 minutes ago, LC said:

California is the most successful state in the Union...those who don't like it can continue pissing into the wind but I don't see what good it does to continuously ignore success simply because you don't agree with its politics or image.

 

 

Why do you think it's getting so much attention as the citizens flee and the anarchists democrats burn the place down??

 

People love California!

adesigar Rising Star

adesigar

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19 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

What does this have to do with anything? Things like quality of life, and rule of law? Such a dumb argument....I'd bet NYC and Chicago are up there too! Total shocker big business is in population dense MSAs! 

 

Meanwhile Vermont and New Hampshire, widely considered by many as the some of the best overall quality of life states, darnit, a failure cuz GDP is like bottom 15%....


Who is making the dumb argument here? You can’t defend your statement cause you spouted republican propaganda like you always do. 
 

California was a beautiful and prosperous land of opportunity(for pretty much its entire existence) until it was ruined by progressive ideology and politics the last decade. And the numbers don’t lie. Those great businesses are fleeing, and same with the people.


Guess your numbers were wrong. So now you want to switch to quality of life and rule of law?

 

Even in those two criteria California ranks higher than most if not all republicans led states. 

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