Investor20 Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 Dr. Anthony Fauci tests negative for the coronavirus Fauci was responding to a reporter’s question about why he was not wearing a face mask during the White House’s daily press briefing when he shared the test results. “The major reason to wear a face mask, is to protect you from infecting you,” Fauci said while pointing into the press gallery. “I had my test yesterday and it’s negative,” he said. Fauci essentially is saying that he is confident that he isn't sick today if he was not sick yesterday. That holds true every day going forward if it holds true for the last day past. In other words, everybody testing positive today will never get the virus. As I said, I am not defending Dr. Fauci logic. But Dr. Fauci is Pence expert.
arcube Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 I believe that is the same reason Pence gave. But really who is wearing? Cuomo, Newsom, Brix, Fauci? Pence was in a hospital where there is an explicit rule about everybody wearing masks (everybody else was following that rule), and he was visiting patients. He wasn't in a press conference room in a federal building where everybody gets screened constantly. See also: https://medium.com/@casanderson/mike-pence-and-the-bystander-effect-a698bbbe4d18 Pence, at a GM plant, clarifying exactly where the eyeballs are located in a human head. Hahahahaha. So much comedy here. Too bad it has become tragic!
clutch Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 There are major exceptions to "Sweden now has one of the highest per capita COVID death rates in the world" statement. As per worldometer deaths/million Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Netherlands have more per capita than Sweden. That is a major portion of Europe has more than Sweden. Sweden with 263 deaths/million is not that higher than Ireland 256 Switzerland 202 USA 196 Why select three out of all these countries? Isn't it obvious to you? ::) Don't bother...
Liberty Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 I believe that is the same reason Pence gave. But really who is wearing? Cuomo, Newsom, Brix, Fauci? Pence was in a hospital where there is an explicit rule about everybody wearing masks (everybody else was following that rule), and he was visiting patients. He wasn't in a press conference room in a federal building where everybody gets screened constantly. See also: https://medium.com/@casanderson/mike-pence-and-the-bystander-effect-a698bbbe4d18 I am not defending Dr. Fauci logic. But Dr. Fauci logic is if someone is tested negative, atleast in immediate future, they dont have to wear masks. Pence is using the same logic (as his expert Dr. Fauci told) that Pence got recently tested negative. No, you don't understand. Pence was in a HOSPITAL with PATIENTS, where there's a RULE that EVERYONE wear masks. Some places are at higher risk than others, and some places have different rules. Taking a walk alone in the park isn't the same as sitting in a full airplane across the pacific ocean, for example. The fact that Pence wore a mask after that (in a less sensitive place than a hospital) shows he realized he was just being an ass, and that whatever BS reasons they gave before were in fact BS.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 The fact that Pence wore a mask after that (in a less sensitive place than a hospital) shows he realized he was just being an ass, and that whatever BS reasons they gave before were in fact BS. Pence's wife had a different story to tell. She said that Mike didn't know about Mayo Clinic's rule, although she acknowledges that his staff knew about the rule. Liars have conflicting stories to tell.
Investor20 Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 There are major exceptions to "Sweden now has one of the highest per capita COVID death rates in the world" statement. As per worldometer deaths/million Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Netherlands have more per capita than Sweden. That is a major portion of Europe has more than Sweden. Sweden with 263 deaths/million is not that higher than Ireland 256 Switzerland 202 USA 196 Why select three out of all these countries? Isn't it obvious to you? ::) Don't bother... No its not obvious.. Geographically near had nothing to do with how this virus spread. Most countries that are close to China...even with heavy travel such as SE asian countries have low Covid. Even HongKong did well. So you tell me what criteria you used in picking three out of a lot of European countries to compare?
Liberty Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 The fact that Pence wore a mask after that (in a less sensitive place than a hospital) shows he realized he was just being an ass, and that whatever BS reasons they gave before were in fact BS. Pence's wife had a different story to tell. She said that Mike didn't know about Mayo Clinic's rule, although she acknowledges that his staff knew about the rule. Liars have conflicting stories to tell. The M.O. of everyone involved here is just to make stuff up and change it until it either goes away on its own because they jam the news cycle full of daily stupidities and scandals and nobody can keep up, or one of the variants they made up works better than the others ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The man is in charge of a COVID task force, there must be signs all around Mayo about the rule (how do you think they get people to comply?), everyone around him is wearing masks, but oops, he didn't know. Not very convincing.
Liberty Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 So you tell me what criteria you used in picking three out of a lot of European countries to compare? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
ERICOPOLY Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 The fact that Pence wore a mask after that (in a less sensitive place than a hospital) shows he realized he was just being an ass, and that whatever BS reasons they gave before were in fact BS. Pence's wife had a different story to tell. She said that Mike didn't know about Mayo Clinic's rule, although she acknowledges that his staff knew about the rule. Liars have conflicting stories to tell. The M.O. of everyone involved here is just to make stuff up and change it until it either goes away on its own because they jam the news cycle full of daily stupidities and scandals and nobody can keep up, or one of the variants they made up works better than the others ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The man is in charge of a COVID task force, there must be signs all around Mayo about the rule (how do you think they get people to comply?), everyone around him is wearing masks, but oops, he didn't know. Not very convincing. Pence is just doing his job -- we're not talking about injecting people with disinfectants at present.
jschembs Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 The M.O. of everyone involved here is just to make stuff up and change it until it either goes away on its own because they jam the news cycle full of daily stupidities and scandals and nobody can keep up, or one of the variants they made up works better than the others ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The man is in charge of a COVID task force, there must be signs all around Mayo about the rule (how do you think they get people to comply?), everyone around him is wearing masks, but oops, he didn't know. Not very convincing. There's a car company executive who seems to employ a similar strategy.
Liberty Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 Pence is just doing his job -- we're not talking about injecting people with disinfectants at present. The man is too bland to be a predictable distraction. But floating rumors about the US defaulting on its debt to China or Remdesivir or whatever...
Liberty Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 There's a car company executive who seems to employ a similar strategy. I'd take Musk as president over Trump any day.
jschembs Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 There's a car company executive who seems to employ a similar strategy. I'd take Musk as president over Trump any day. Oh absolutely, just amusing to me the similarities between the two of them. Both have sociopathic tendencies to a T.
jschembs Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 Washington just extended shelter-in-place to May 31st.
cwericb Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 On the subject of sociopathic narcissists ... with a very condescending look, Pence delaired that he didn’t need to wear a mask because he tested negative recently. Aside from being disrespectful, aside from setting a poor example, and aside from the fact he could have contracted the virus - or something else - since his test, I believe the tests are only about 85% accurate. So that excuse was about a truthful as his suggestion that he couldn’t look people in the eye with a mask on. His supporters must be so proud.
LongHaul Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 "Why are N-95 respirators most often recommended for SARS? The CDC Guidelines for Isolation Precautions in Hospitals recommends that health care workers protect themselves from any disease spread through the air (airborne transmission) by wearing a respirator at least as protective as a fit-tested N-95 respirator.† These guidelines were written before SARS was discovered, but they have been used to protect against other airborne diseases such as tuberculosis." Respirator fact sheet https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/factsheets/respsars.html
Liberty Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Oh absolutely, just amusing to me the similarities between the two of them. Both have sociopathic tendencies to a T. I don't think Musk is a sociopath. Possibly Asperger's, if I had to guess, though. Finance people keep trying to read him from the CEO mold/pattern, but he makes a lot more sense if you look at him as the kind of uber-geek that grew up on Slashdot and Ars Technica forums and Hacker News and Reddit humor and trolling, who through sheer force of will and vision ended up a billionaire CEO but was never really of that species, and never took all that seriously, just wants to build cool sci-fi stuff. Obviously the stress and lack of sleep and all that is affecting him. It'd affect anyone under those circumstances.. I wish he'd find better high level people to offload a bunch of stuff (like Shotwell at SpaceX, maybe 3-4 more like her), but delegation doesn't seem his strong suit and ultra-intense, single-minded and brilliant people don't tend to be easy to work with or for up-close...
jschembs Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Oh absolutely, just amusing to me the similarities between the two of them. Both have sociopathic tendencies to a T. I don't think Musk is a sociopath. Possibly Asperger's, if I had to guess, though. Finance people keep trying to read him from the CEO mold/pattern, but he makes a lot more sense if you look at him as the kind of uber-geek that grew up on Slashdot and Ars Technica forums and Hacker News and Reddit humor and trolling, who through sheer force of will and vision ended up a billionaire CEO but was never really of that species, and never took all that seriously, just wants to build cool sci-fi stuff. Obviously the stress and lack of sleep and all that is affecting him. It'd affect anyone under those circumstances.. I wish he'd find better high level people to offload a bunch of stuff (like Shotwell at SpaceX, maybe 3-4 more like her), but delegation doesn't seem his strong suit and ultra-intense, single-minded and brilliant people don't tend to be easy to work with or for up-close... I don't have the time or inclination to find links right now, but I'd argue he exhibits all of these characteristics typically associated with sociopaths. - Lack of empathy - Difficult relationships - Manipulativeness - Deceitfulness - Callousness - Hostility - Irresponsibility - Impulsivity - Risky behavior He's most certainly a genius, but genius often comes with other, less desirable personality traits.
DooDiligence Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Rudy is on Firing Line, right now, with Margaret Hoover. He's coming out of the box like a gigantic, pop-up, douchebag. --- edit: Whoa, now he's flip-flopping & sounding like a normal human being & a thoughtful leader. Who the F is this guy? --- Margaret: What do you think is most important in a leader during this pandemic? Rudy: Truthfulness & discretion. --- This is NOT the Rudy we've been seeing over the past months. --- He just said "trust your doctor, don't trust the president" hastily followed up by "don't trust me, trust your doctor". I predict an orange tinted Tweetstorm.
cwericb Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Thanks, caught the last half of that. I must say he seemed quite reasonable compared to what we have seen over this past winter. "Margaret: What do you think is most important in a leader during this pandemic? Rudy: Truthfulness & discretion." Honest and good answer - but is that not the exact opposite of what we have been seeing?
DooDiligence Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Thanks, caught the last half of that. I must say he seemed quite reasonable compared to what we have seen over this past winter. "Margaret: What do you think is most important in a leader during this pandemic? Rudy: Truthfulness & discretion." Honest and good answer - but is not that is the exact opposite of what we have been seeing? Indeed it is, a good answer, & an about face from what we’ve been seeing. I wonder if Machiavelli was a sociopath?
Liberty Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 I don't have the time or inclination to find links right now, but I'd argue he exhibits all of these characteristics typically associated with sociopaths. - Lack of empathy - Difficult relationships - Manipulativeness - Deceitfulness - Callousness - Hostility - Irresponsibility - Impulsivity - Risky behavior He's most certainly a genius, but genius often comes with other, less desirable personality traits. Yeah, I'm not saying there's no possible signs, but the thing is, a lot of non-sociopaths have a lot of these too, right? It's a lot harder to stay balanced under certain stresses and pressures and spotlight (as a lot of regular people who become wealthy/powerful celebrities find out). Maybe he's a very pro-social sociopath, as he seems quite obsessed with old-school science-fiction ideals of saving the world through rationality and ingeniosity. But who knows?
jschembs Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 I don't have the time or inclination to find links right now, but I'd argue he exhibits all of these characteristics typically associated with sociopaths. - Lack of empathy - Difficult relationships - Manipulativeness - Deceitfulness - Callousness - Hostility - Irresponsibility - Impulsivity - Risky behavior He's most certainly a genius, but genius often comes with other, less desirable personality traits. Yeah, I'm not saying there's no possible signs, but the thing is, a lot of non-sociopaths have a lot of these too, right? It's a lot harder to stay balanced under certain stresses and pressures and spotlight (as a lot of regular people who become wealthy/powerful celebrities find out). Maybe he's a very pro-social sociopath, as he seems quite obsessed with old-school science-fiction ideals of saving the world through rationality and ingeniosity. But who knows? Right, everything's on a spectrum, and honestly I never even made the connection until I was checking the sociopath boxes vis-a-vis Trump. Elon is way more personable and funny / irreverent than someone like Trump, who is not only a sociopath but also just a horrible human being [not intended to be a political post, as I don't think Trump is even a Republican].
Investor20 Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 So you tell me what criteria you used in picking three out of a lot of European countries to compare? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia https://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm You dont mind comparing US with Korea on other side of globe or US with Germany across atlantic but dont want to compare Sweden which is close to UK and Netherlands. New York to Seoul : 6867.74 miles New York to Berlin: 3977 miles Stockholm to Amsterdam: 700 miles https://www.mapdevelopers.com/distance_from_to.php If New york to Seoul or New York to Berlin comparisons are O.K., then Stockholm to Amsterdam comparision is just fine.
DocSnowball Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Sorry haven't been able to keep up with this thread! This is an interesting report on future scenarios: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-19-cidrap-viewpoint "In the first report, published Apr 30, 2020, "The future of the COVID-19 pandemic: lessons learned from pandemic influenza," Kristine Moore, MD, MPH, Marc Lipsitch, DPhil, John Barry, MA, and Michael Osterholm, PhD, MPH, paint a picture of the pandemic and detail how it's behaving more like past influenza pandemics than like any coronavirus has to date. And, because of that, certain inferences can be drawn — such as the fact that it may well last 18 to 24 months, especially given that only 5% to 15% of the U.S. population is likely infected at this point. Key recommendations from the report: States, territories, and tribal health authorities should plan for the worst-case scenario (which involves a large second peak of cases in the fall of 2020), including no vaccine availability or herd immunity. Government agencies and healthcare delivery organizations should develop strategies to ensure adequate protection for healthcare workers when disease incidence surges. Government officials should develop concrete plans, including triggers for reinstituting mitigation measures, for dealing with disease peaks when they occur. Risk communication messaging from government officials should incorporate the concept that this pandemic will not be over soon and that people need to be prepared for possible periodic resurgences of disease over the next 2 years. The first CIDRAP Viewpoint report lays out three scenarios for how cases might ebb and flow in the coming months. No one knows exactly how this virus will behave. But, based on what scientists have recorded so far and on previous influenza pandemics, the report illustrates some of the possibilities."
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