If American - which presidential candidate will you vote for? (Nov Edition) If

[DooDiligence]

Bang on Bernie!

[valcont]

“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”

 

That's my boy Bernie. Lets go get these fiscal conservatives and their bullsh.t Ayn Rand crap. Time to double the entitlement state.

[DooDiligence]

Fiscal conservative & Ayn Rand (as Greenspan learned, the 2 have very little in common...)

 

The only thing she did worth reading was Anthem

[valcont]

Fiscal conservative & Ayn Rand (as Greenspan learned, the 2 have very little in common...)

 

The only thing she did worth reading was Anthem

 

Anthem was good but I wasn't into the dystopian fiction at the time. I still had hard time reading the Hunger Games even though my wife loves it.

 

Fountainhead did it for me. I would read it every year but I was a sheltered teenager then. It took me a while to figure out the inefficacy of the propaganda.

[TwoCitiesCapital]

Fiscal conservative & Ayn Rand (as Greenspan learned, the 2 have very little in common...)

 

The only thing she did worth reading was Anthem

 

Anthem was good but I wasn't into the dystopian fiction at the time. I still had hard time reading the Hunger Games even though my wife loves it.

 

Fountainhead did it for me. I would read it every year but I was a sheltered teenager then. It took me a while to figure out the inefficacy of the propaganda.

 

Fountainhead was good. Less preachy than Atlast Shrugged. I like both books and generally agree with the overarching theme, but am not as radical with it as most. Still agree with a progressive taxes policies, social safety nets, etc. - just approach it from a "less is more" mindset and prefer any governance that can be done at the local level to be left at the local level.

[rkbabang]

Speaking of dystopian fiction this was the best quote I saw yesterday:

 

"It seems that the American people are rather hesitant to elect a woman who both looks and acts like the shadowy dictator in every dystopian young adult novel ever written. When given a choice between a character from reality TV or the villain from the Hunger Games, the American people chose the former."

 

From: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/matt-walsh-liberals-this-is-very-simple-you-lost-because-hillary-clinton-is-objectively-terrible/

[rb]

I think Trump's victory has given the left especially the Bernie-Warren wing a golden opportunity to destroy the conservative ideology for good. Conservatives who prides themselves in the small government, personal responsibility and free trade must be very nervous with their populist leader who has no ideological leanings and an inflated ego. Trump would not put up with an ideology that has no role for him and he ran on a populist agenda.The left wing should actively coopt with Trump to implement it rather than blocking him like the republicans did in '08. Give him the cover to walk out of the trade deals. That would also help weakening the Clinton-Schumer wing who are sold out and are corrupt. Trump would soon find out that the best he can do is to stop the bleeding and not get back the jobs. The tax breaks for the rich and fiscal reforms would take time to work out, the time that Trump doesn't have and wouldn't wait for. He would need an instant fix and will look to the big ole Govt for solutions. The Dems should help him set up all the entitlements like free education, healthcare,housing support, unemployment. Let him package it whatever the way he wants to but get the populace used to the idea of Trump(and by extension the Govt.) helping them. Off course the Republicans would balk at such measures but they have no choice and the Dems should use the division to drive the wedge. Let him kill Obamacare but nudge him towards something that has his name on it. Use him to fight the big pharma to drive down the costs. Get him to fund an infrastructure plan to provide jobs.

 

Off course the Dems wouldn't like his agenda on social issues and climate change. They should oppose it but not let it get in the way of him enacting a populist agenda. Let him kill the conservative ideology and the demographics will take care of the rest.

Good post. Let me add a little bit to it.

 

Firstly, the Schumer-Clinton wing of the Democratic Party is probably done as of roughly this morning. There's center left democrat will become about as common as the center right republican. An endangered species. It's the Liz Warren show going forward. No more Mr. Nice Liberal. And why not? This shit works. Republicans do it and they win.

 

Now my friends on the right (i have a lot of them) tell me that we on the left just don't get it. We don't understand the other America or the real America. I think that they're somewhat right. I for one thought a significant portion of the right would reject Trump's message. I was wrong.

 

I like to point to our friends on the right the possibility that they do not understand the left very well either. Now that it's the 2nd day after the election and the hangover is lifting i can look at things more coldly and clearly. The republicans won. But this was not a great victory. It was not Regan 1984. It was a squeaker. Also despite all the pomp, circumstance, and rhetoric it turns out it was not a special election. The republican coalition voted republican, the democratic coalition voted democratic, and there was a collapse in democratic turnout.

 

Our friends on the right and some on the left told us Hillary was a horrible candidate. Possible the worst we could have done. It appears they were right on this as well. I guess that's why the democratic turnout collapsed. However when all is said and done Hillary will win the popular vote by 1-2%. So if the democrats win the popular vote by 2 points when they run the worst possible candidate what happens when they run a half decent candidate, not to mention a great candidate?

 

No, the left is not dead. It's just waking up. This is gonna be fun!

 

All this being said I wish President Trump the best of luck. I also hope that from time to time he chooses a liberal kale salad over the KFC buckets. While I find a Trump presidency horrific Mike Pence frankly scares the shit outta me.

[DonFanucci]

Fiscal conservative & Ayn Rand (as Greenspan learned, the 2 have very little in common...)

 

The only thing she did worth reading was Anthem

 

Anthem was good but I wasn't into the dystopian fiction at the time. I still had hard time reading the Hunger Games even though my wife loves it.

 

Fountainhead did it for me. I would read it every year but I was a sheltered teenager then. It took me a while to figure out the inefficacy of the propaganda.

 

Fountainhead was good. Less preachy than Atlast Shrugged. I like both books and generally agree with the overarching theme, but am not as radical with it as most. Still agree with a progressive taxes policies, social safety nets, etc. - just approach it from a "less is more" mindset and prefer any governance that can be done at the local level to be left at the local level.

 

She was exactly right about what's destroying the country right now- collectivism and altruism. Collectivism on the right via Trump's nationalism. Collectivism on the left via Bernie's socialism. Both supported by the idea of self sacrifice as a virtue. Sacrifice to the nation for trump, or sacrifice to the collective for Bernie. It's a collective war of all against all now. Blacks vs. whites. Women vs. men. Rich vs. poor. Natural born vs. immigrants. Pick your identity group.

[Peregrine]

Now much of this may be isolated incidents, but this is highly disturbing nonetheless:

 

 

It seems like many of these people, who were previously silent, are now more emboldened than ever.

[rb]

Now much of this may be isolated incidents, but this is highly disturbing nonetheless:

 

 

It seems like many of these people, who were previously silent, are now more emboldened than ever.

I've read that. It's horrible. But maybe it's necessary. Liberals have been a pampered and spoiled bunch. They need to learn a less. I learned a few as detailed above. It's a simple lesson: Don't boo!... Vote!

[Jurgis]

It's a simple lesson: Don't boo!... Vote!

 

You would have thought people learned that lesson after Brexit...

[rb]

It's a simple lesson: Don't boo!... Vote!

You would have thought people learned that lesson after Brexit...

Well they didn't. They also didn't get it after Bush 2. As I've said the liberals are a coddled bunch. They need a kick in the ass and some tough love. The saying goes: Democrats need to fall in love. Republicans fall in line. Need to change that. Need to introduce some order in the ranks.

[Jurgis]

Need to introduce some order in the ranks.

 

[DonFanucci]

Now much of this may be isolated incidents, but this is highly disturbing nonetheless:

 

 

It seems like many of these people, who were previously silent, are now more emboldened than ever.

 

This is definitely very disturbing. I think people need to start asking the tough question. Why is it that after decades of left wing controlled public schools and universities, race relations are in a downward spiral? I think the answer is that the new left is extremely racist, and has been feeding racism for years and years. Of course there are racists on the right wing, but they have no intellectual impetus behind them. They are rightfully disgraced in the eyes of every thinking person.

 

But on the left you see a real rise of self-righteous, intellectually motivated and justified racism. For example, you open New York Magazine and see the following article entitled "Another Way White Men are Ruining it for the Rest of Us". In what universe is that OK to publish? The same universe that you turn on your TV and see Samantha Bee blame "white people" for Trump. The same universe that it's OK for Hillary to chastise "white people" for not listening, and for Bernie Sanders to apologize for things he never did, but people of his skin color once did. The same universe where this child

, and is praised for it.

 

What could be more disturbing than teaching a helpless child to feel guilt for things that he has no choice about, to feel guilty for the color of his skin and his lot in life, in essence, to feel guilt for his existence? This is exactly what I was taught in school, at the university level. Self hatred by white people, particularly white men, is thought of as a moral virtue- something that should be praised. Why would one expect that teaching children of every race that white people are immoral because of their skin color will make people more color blind? I think what you should expect to get is exactly what we see- growing resentment between races. People should be speaking out against this stuff as ardently as they speak out against the disgusting stuff you see from the racist right.

[onyx1]

Now much of this may be isolated incidents, but this is highly disturbing nonetheless:

 

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

 

It seems like many of these people, who were previously silent, are now more emboldened than ever.

 

This is definitely very disturbing. I think people need to start asking the tough question. Why is it that after decades of left wing controlled public schools and universities, race relations are in a downward spiral? I think the answer is that the new left is extremely racist, and has been feeding racism for years and years. Of course there are racists on the right wing, but they have no intellectual impetus behind them. They are rightfully disgraced in the eyes of every thinking person.

 

But on the left you see a real rise of self-righteous, intellectually motivated and justified racism. For example, you open New York Magazine and see the following article entitled "Another Way White Men are Ruining it for the Rest of Us". In what universe is that OK to publish? The same universe that you turn on your TV and see Samantha Bee blame "white people" for Trump. The same universe that it's OK for Hillary to chastise "white people" for not listening, and for Bernie Sanders to apologize for things he never did, but people of his skin color once did. The same universe where this child

, and is praised for it.

 

What could be more disturbing than teaching a helpless child to feel guilt for things that he has no choice about, to feel guilty for the color of his skin and his lot in life, in essence, to feel guilt for his existence? This is exactly what I was taught in school, at the university level. Self hatred by white people, particularly white men, is thought of as a moral virtue- something that should be praised. Why would one expect that teaching children of every race that white people are immoral because of their skin color will make people more color blind? I think what you should expect to get is exactly what we see- growing resentment between races. People should be speaking out against this stuff as ardently as they speak out against the disgusting stuff you see from the racist right.

 

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

[DonFanucci]

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

 

While I wish that were true, the President has no power to affect the long term intellectual trends in the country. Again, this is something that is being taught, as I was taught it, at the university level. A Trump presidency won't change what professors teach. It can't make it unacceptable for Lena Dunham to preach that straight white men are a problem, and that she feels good about their extinction. People on the left need to stand up and say 'this is wrong'.

[valcont]

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

 

So much for that:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-kkk-group-hold-victory-parade-donald-trump-article-1.2868491

[valcont]

 

Oh boy:

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/trumps-transition-team-considers-sarah-palin-for-possible-cabinet-spot/

 

DC is going to be a trailer community pretty soon.

[rkbabang]

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

 

So much for that:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-kkk-group-hold-victory-parade-donald-trump-article-1.2868491

 

I know this week has been dragging on slowly, but four years has yet to pass.

 

[wachtwoord]

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

 

So much for that:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-kkk-group-hold-victory-parade-donald-trump-article-1.2868491

 

I know this week has been dragging on slowly, but four years has yet to pass.

 

And KKK members have been racist since way longer than Trump has been, or will be president. Just ignore them, they don't matter.

[Gregmal]

This guy predicts things will improve:

 

"Prediction: In four years opinion surveys will show Americans LESS racist, homophobic, and sexist. (Watch and learn.)"  - Scott Adams

 

So much for that:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-kkk-group-hold-victory-parade-donald-trump-article-1.2868491

 

I know this week has been dragging on slowly, but four years has yet to pass.

 

The trailer community may be better for the country than the filth that currently inhabits DC. Want a microcosm of why Trump received twice as many electoral votes as pretty much every one of these folks predicted? Look at how DC voted. 93% for Clinton. Then look at the break down for the rest of the country. Yup, just another example of how out of touch these folks are. DC is and pretty much always has been a circus. Adding Palin to  the mix just gives another act to complement the Paul Ryan, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, and Pochahontas shows.

[Pauly]

 

...and Pochahontas shows.

 

 

Ugh. Way to drag the conversation even lower and invalidate anything useful you had to say. These types of comments are now fair game since your guy won the election, is that right?

[rb]

 

...and Pochahontas shows.

 

 

Ugh. Way to drag the conversation even lower and invalidate anything useful you had to say. These types of comments are now fair game since your guy won the election, is that right?

I for one think it's great and I hope it keeps going on for another 4 years

[Gregmal]

 

...and Pochahontas shows.

 

 

Ugh. Way to drag the conversation even lower and invalidate anything useful you had to say. These types of comments are now fair game since your guy won the election, is that right?

 

Missing the forest for the trees. Seems like a common trait amongst many of you. If you choose to cover your eyes and ears because I choose a humorous name for a circus spectacle character, be my guest. If you'd like to sit at the big boy table and discuss my point that DC(both traditional Dems and Republicans) is a circus show, well then step right up. Thanks

[Gregmal]

 

...and Pochahontas shows.

 

 

Ugh. Way to drag the conversation even lower and invalidate anything useful you had to say. These types of comments are now fair game since your guy won the election, is that right?

I for one think it's great and I hope it keeps going on for another 4 years

 

It will, no doubt about it. Every cycle needs a spark for the circus cannon to light. Banker bashing was cool the past 8 years, now its transitioning into healthcare/obamacare and pharma/drug pricing. The forest for the trees crowd gets easily distracted, but the rest of us see that Trump is more or less a life long Democrat who played the game and won. His policies are going to be much more populist than many expect. His biggest opponent will still likely be hardcore conservative yawkers