Fairfax India new issue

[hobbit]

1 hour ago, TwoCitiesCapital said:

 

Can you explain your reasoning here? I'm not following why investors would be discounting a stock that they expect to rise 80-100% in a likely merger?

 

I would think CSB would be trading HIGHER today due to the speculation for a deal? 

because of the uncertainty that whether it will be a merger or a forced sale at a discount to intrinsic value to a third party . Indian govt can easily make it contingent that FIH sells CSB before buying IDBI to expedite the transaction and not get it  stuck in too much red tape as a merger would entail. I do not think this scenario will play out but there is a non zero probability that it might. Market hates uncertainty. 

Edited September 20 by hobbit

[Junior R]

India indexs hit all time high today lol we are still waiting for FIH

[hardcorevalue]

43 minutes ago, Junior R said:

India indexs hit all time high today lol we are still waiting for FIH

 

It’s beyond frustrating. I’m getting clients angry at me for FIH instead of an index fund. We need that anchorage IPOl lol 

[Junior R]

5 minutes ago, hardcorevalue said:

 

It’s beyond frustrating. I’m getting clients angry at me for FIH instead of an index fund. We need that anchorage IPOl lol 

Lol inda etf 5 year is up over 70%...I think we are closer to IPO maybe sometime in 2025 or early 2026

[hobbit]

IIFL finance is contemplating a demerger of its subsidiaries in the next 18 months. IIFL home finance is likely to be more than the current market cap of the entire company.

 

https://www.moneycontrol.com/banking/may-list-iifl-home-finance-samasta-in-18-months-says-nirmal-jain-article-12827557.html

Edited September 24 by hobbit

[CharlieMunger]

Is Fairfax India still considered a PFIC for US tax purposes?

[Junior R]

seems like Canada and India back at the politics...Couple diplomats expelled on each side 

[Dinar]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:49 AM, CharlieMunger said:

Is Fairfax India still considered a PFIC for US tax purposes?

My accountant told me yes two months ago.  

[Viking]

3 hours ago, TB said:

Canada hints at sanctions against India; @Viking and other bulls, would this impact your investment thesis of FIH or FFH

 

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/canada-hints-at-sanctions-against-india-over-nijjar-killing-foreign-minister-melanie-joly-says-everything-is-on-table/ar-AA1sjAHF

@TB As a general rule, i try and keep politics out of my investing framework, especially for those investments i view as medium to long term holdings. I am following what is going on. As with all my investments, I will follow the facts and fundamentals and make adjustments as needed. 

 

It is the same approach I am taking with the US election.
 

PS: I do not own any Fairfax India today (it is on my watchlist).

Edited October 15 by Viking

[Junior R]

Sold my FIH position today ...Will re enter after the Canada / India dispute is completed

[Xerxes]

The Canada-India dispute and comments on FIH, reminds of how Buffett in his letter kept reminding his BRK investors of the nature of insurance business and that when bad news come, is not the time to acknowledge that it is inherently risky. 
 

FIH invest fully in the Indian market all 100% of equity capital. One should always expect to encounter roadblocks, tailwinds and headwinds for a fast growing foreign market with massive potential, aspirations and many pitfall along the way to keep things interesting. 

[Xerxes]

Masayoshi Son invested less than $100 million into a growing, foreign country during the dying days of Deng Xiapoing era. 
 

At some point it was worth $200 billion, and I think he sold in various transactions at somewhere around $70 billion, half century later. 
 

There were many reasons for the Japanese investor to liquidate his position anytime over 20 years as an investor in emerging market. Tons.
 

Looks easy in hindsight. 

[Haryana]

Can Prem Watsa be Credibly Alleged of Foreign Interference because he got Jason Kenney on the board of Fairfax India? 

 

(LOL) 

 

https://www.fairfaxindia.ca/corporate/jason-kenney/ 

 

[Junior R]

17 hours ago, Haryana said:

Can Prem Watsa be Credibly Alleged of Foreign Interference because he got Jason Kenney on the board of Fairfax India? 

 

(LOL) 

 

https://www.fairfaxindia.ca/corporate/jason-kenney/ 

 

lol no

[dartmonkey]

Interesting article on Indian social norms: https://www.strangeloopcanon.com/p/life-in-india-is-a-series-of-bilateral?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

 

He talks about how immensely Indian infrastructure has modernized and improved, while some things like traffic behaviour remain chaotic.

 

Bonus: compliments to our beautiful Bangalore airport.

[MMM20]

"For the Indian government, the stakes could scarcely be higher. India is in the midst of a partial rapprochement with China, but anyone who thinks New Delhi can afford to alienate the West is delusional. If India is seen as seeking to undermine freedom of speech and rule of law in the West, it risks being clubbed together with such adversaries as China, Russia and Iran."

 

Unlocked article https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-india-canada-breakdown-sikh-seperatist-murder-dispute-e74ed8c4?st=fYxjUC&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

[Dipesh Patel]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/mr-modi-is-fantastic-prem-watsa-known-as-canadas-warren-buffett-says-india-can-grow-at-10-under-pm-modi/amp_articleshow/114542293.cms

[Haryana]

On 10/24/2024 at 6:31 AM, MMM20 said:

"For the Indian government, the stakes could scarcely be higher. India is in the midst of a partial rapprochement with China, but anyone who thinks New Delhi can afford to alienate the West is delusional. If India is seen as seeking to undermine freedom of speech and rule of law in the West, it risks being clubbed together with such adversaries as China, Russia and Iran."

 

Unlocked article https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-india-canada-breakdown-sikh-seperatist-murder-dispute-e74ed8c4?st=fYxjUC&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

From the same article - 

 

"For the U.S., which has spent over two decades cultivating closer ties with India, Mr. Trudeau’s showboating approach to a sensitive issue is a textbook case of how not to handle an important partner." 

[gfp]

Q3 results press release -

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/10/31/2973090/0/en/Fairfax-India-Holdings-Corporation-Third-Quarter-Financial-Results.html

[Junior R]

one of these days/months the IPO for the vehicle that holds Bial will IPO and we should see this stock price double which will then add to Fairfax Financial gains

 

Quote

Air cargo seeing phenomenal growth amid Red Sea crisis: BIAL COO Satyaki

 

[dartmonkey]

On 10/31/2024 at 5:13 PM, gfp said:

Q3 results press release -

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/10/31/2973090/0/en/Fairfax-India-Holdings-Corporation-Third-Quarter-Financial-Results.html

Does anyone happen to have a transcript of the Q3 earnings call?

 

[gfp]

I don’t think Fairfax India does conference calls. Just the AGM

[Junior R]

52 week high today in usd 

[TwoCitiesCapital]

Given the 7-8% pop in the last week

 

I suppose we either now have to believe that somehow a Trump presidency somehow improves the IPO chances and valuation of BIAL in India 

 

OR 

 

The discount has always been about sentiment. Not fees. Not performance. Not discounting IP0 chances. Sentiment. And only sentiment and sentiment is changing. 

 

 

Edited November 7 by TwoCitiesCapital

[dartmonkey]

57 minutes ago, Junior R said:

52 week high today in usd 

Yes, a 5 year high even. Hard to believe the share price was $17-18 in October 2017, talk about one extreme to another. But I think that despite being up 15% in the last 2 months, it's still a great deal, at 0.72x book, with a book value that is probably understated in the first place. Requires patience. My biggest holding in terms of percentage of the company owned!