Fairfax 2026

[dealraker]

1 hour ago, Madpawn said:

Curious what this board thinks of allocation weight to Fairfax. The dilemma is that I'm already overweight (by quite a bit) Fairfax and Fairfax India - so without going to deep into the details, is investing a huge chunk of your portfolio into Fairfax as "safe" as BRK (I'm tempted to say arguably safer given it's relatively cheaper, but we've also seen Fairfax's past mistakes which have been a bigger drag than what BRK has experienced in its history) 

I've owned Fairfax since 1994 and I did add small amounts about 25 times in the period where we here on the COBF forums were obsessing over the valuation.  I do not think about Fairfax very often but when I do I always have the same thoughts, much like those I have given I inherited Berkshire in 1975.  Here goes:

 

When the price of Fairfax is consistently rising investors obsessively think long term and increasingly get both satisfied and comfortable holding the stock and even consider or act to increasing their holdings.

 

When the stock isn't rising or declines, and this can come both justified and not justified, investors obsess with short time horizons and also they get extremely valuation focused.  This valuation focus is generally either PE or price-to-book, but it goes micro focused.

 

My view, one I've shared previously, is that insurance is very much a skill business and the best managements simply are destined/guaranteed to outperform those with less skill.  I rank Fairfax very high or even at the top of the skill parade both underwriting and on the investment side.

 

The safest thing in my view isn't to buy the one Berk vs Fairfax selling at the best perceived value, the best thing is to figure out, maybe even model, how much fear and need to escape you'll experience in a price falling atmosphere and judge your level of holdings based on that.  The price falling can be both Mr. Market's manic-depressive mood or an event - internal or external - or a cycle or whatever.  But if you can profile yourself as well as you can value the business then you can extend your time horizon.  Simply put, I would not own more stock than I can stomach for a downtrend.

 

If you can extend your time horizon and manage yourself, your stomach turmoil, then you have a huge probability of doing well owning Fairfax.  

[Txvestor]

20 minutes ago, Crip1 said:

With 2-Year Treasuries currently at 4.35%, I think that sacrificing 0.35% of yield for the optionality of being able to redeploy at maturity makes sense, but I’m not in Brian B’s stratosphere in terms of bond investing. 

 

-Crip

Whatever average mix they have they've been generating 5% without reaching too much for duration. Thats from a mix of maturities, the Pacwest portfolio impact and other corporates. 
Thats a perfectly good outcome without too much duration risk in this volatile environment, if you ask me. Whatever they do they will be fairly measured so as not to take on too much risk and keep optionality open in case of a market dislocation. 
I think as long as they keep generating cash, from their 3-4 engines. Deploying it in this environment will continue to be a nice problem to have. 

[dartmonkey]

13 hours ago, Parsad said:

The one thing that could get Charlie Munger's eyes rolling was every time Whitney stood up to pose a question at the Berkshire meeting!

I have trouble believing that this is true. Tilson’s questions were always sensible, in marked contradistinction to 90% of the audience questions which were puerile or which had already been answered so many times previously. Tilson actually wrote chapter 3 in the book about Munger, and it seems unlikely that he would have been asked to do so if anyone thought Munger harboured any personal animosity against Tilson. 

 

For some reason I have never been able to fathom, many people seem to harbour an intense dislike of Tilson, despite his pretty good track record, his sensible ideas, and his strong support of value investing and Berkshire in particular. Nor does he have any association with the attack on Fairfax.

 

I don’t expect you to be able to prove that Munger ever rolled his eyes at Tilson’s questions, just as I can’t prove that he didn’t, but I find it highly unlikely. I think you should prove it, or withdraw your accusation, which is beneath you, but I’m not holding my breath.

Edited 1 hour ago by dartmonkey

[TwoCitiesCapital]

3 hours ago, Junior R said:

its worked out pretty good with 10 year touch 4.7% today 

 

Which is the highest in ~18 months, but still below the highs set in 2023 and has topped out in this range multiple times since. 

 

Additionally, it's not the 10-year that matters to Fairfax, but more so the 3-5 which are also below 2023 highs and have consistently been setting "lower highs" on each subsequent spike - this current one included. 

 

Not to say they can't go higher, but they haven't been for three years and I think energy and war inflation, like we're seeing today, precedes economic contractions and not inflationary expansions. 

 

I tend to agree it's a good time for bonds - 3% real yields have historically been great buying opportunities for TIPS even if not immediately.

 

You can get 2.25-2.5% in shorter duration TIPS which is still pretty good historically. 5-6% on agency mortgages with limited prepayment risk at this time given home values falling/stagnating?

 

You're getting mid-single digit returns before even considering any sort of credit/duration/pre-payment/leverage pick-up and a 5-year TIP is going to have quite a bit less duration/inflation risk than equities @ 20x + earnings. We saw in 2022 that it takes YEARS for index earnings to recover in real terms - and much of that recovery was in AI infrastructure/chip spend which is still up in the air if it was real earnings or is just gonna come out in depreciation/write offs over the next 5-years. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by TwoCitiesCapital

[dartmonkey]

2 hours ago, Hoodlum said:

 

And yet BMO has a target of $2500 cdn.  

Love it! So their target price is for the share price to go from 12.5 to 13.7 x Q2 earnings? Anyone know what their earnings forecast is for the whole year?

[Parsad]

17 hours ago, SafetyinNumbers said:

The 202 is surprising. The $130 estimate for Q2 an analyst is expecting seems crazy. Anyone know who it is? Definitely set up to miss. Not sure if the market will care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, SafetyinNumbers said:

Hearing its BMO with the estimate but I haven’t seen the note.

 

3 hours ago, Hoodlum said:

 

And yet BMO has a target of $2500 cdn.  

 

It's probably due to the same reason I said expect an earnings surprise in Q2...higher than what Viking is estimating and he's usually damn close! 

 

I cannot see why they would buy so much stock back in Q2 unless there was some adjustment to book value...maybe we missed something in terms of realized gains or mark-to-market of the associates. 

 

I think a whopper quarter is coming and that's why BMO also hasn't changed their target significantly, since it is a one-off for now.  But it does affect book value and that's why Fairfax bought back a ton of stock. 

 

Either that or someone offered them a large block privately!  Cheers!

[SafetyinNumbers]

1 minute ago, Parsad said:

alue...maybe we missed something in terms of realized gains or mark-to-market of the associates. 

 

I think a whopper quarter is coming

How big is a whopper?

[SafetyinNumbers]

48 minutes ago, dartmonkey said:

Love it! So their target price is for the share price to go from 12.5 to 13.7 x Q2 earnings? Anyone know what their earnings forecast is for the whole year?

Highest estimate is $250. Lowest estimate is $160 so it essentially trades at 7-10x P/E which reflects the variability in earnings.