25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports.

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Spooky said:

 

So you are for removing money to fight HIV in Africa? You are for halting all assistance to Ukraine? There are so many US led global programs that extends the US' influence in the world.

 

Canada is free to take it all over. Have at it, you have plenty of money and brains.

 

It's called MAGA for a reason. America first.

[Spooky]

1 minute ago, james22 said:

Oh no.

 

Didn't all that foreign aid buy us anything?

 

You're just going to drive more and more people and countries into the arms of China. All of this just plays into their hands.

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Canada is free to take it all over. Have at it, you have plenty of money and brains.

 

It's called MAGA for a reason. America first.

America "only" is a fraction as powerful and supported as America the leader and supporter of the world.  There are others (ie China) more than willing to step into that role.

Edited 13 hours ago by dwy000

[Spooky]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Canada is free to take it all over. Have at it, you have plenty of money and brains.

 

It's called MAGA for a reason. America first.

 

The wealthiest country in the world has turned into a bunch of whiners. Why are you guys so mad all the time?

[Parsad]

10 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

This video discusses the China/Canada fentanyl business in some detail.

And surprisingly - both individuals are Canadians.  Thank @james22 for this.

 

 

 

Who the fuck are these two?  A couple of right wing servants!  Even the ITM Trading ad that sprouts up half way through tells the viewer to hedge their portfolios with gold through ITM.  I mean they're just pandering to the crowd. 

 

Sam Cooper - https://www.thebureau.news/

 

Any mention of the half billion dollar seizure of drugs and chemicals in BC in November?  

 

https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2082&languageId=1&contentId=85957

 

Yeah, there is a problem.  Yeah, Canada could do better.  But U.S. and Mexico borders are just as porous, even with all of the money they spend on the problem.  

 

Is the way to solve the problem by alienating your border countries, or working with them?  And if they aren't moving fast enough, isn't it better to use small amounts of explosives, rather than nuking them?

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

[Gamecock-YT]

7 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Good lord, where do you get your information?  You really need to turn off Fox for a while.  This is just real kool aid level stuff.

 

he just keeps rattling off talking points, if he can't explain something or someone gets him off his talking points he just likes copy and pasting links to right wing youtube videos. We'd all be better off putting him on ignore and going about our day. 

[cubsfan]

18 minutes ago, Spooky said:

 Global opinion of your country has been steadily decreasing over many years. 

 

I totally get this. Biden really fucked this country up - and good. That's why he's gone.

[cubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Spooky said:

 

The wealthiest country in the world has turned into a bunch of whiners. Why are you guys so mad all the time?

 

You don't get it. We're delighted. We were mad at the turn and direction of our country.

The national nightmare is over. Seriously - it's party time in America. Don't kid yourself.

[Parsad]

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

 

I totally get this. Biden really fucked this country up - and good. That's why he's gone.

 

Oh, my God!  The only reason anyone around the world wants to talk to you is because Biden came in as President.  I can't stand Hunter...should be in jail with no pardon...and I don't think Biden was fit for a 2nd term...but wholly shit do you really think Trump improved global relations with the U.S.?  I mean that's probably one of the most out of touch observations I've ever seen in my life!  Cheers!

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Who the fuck are these two?  A couple of right wing servants!  Even the ITM Trading ad that sprouts up half way through tells the viewer to hedge their portfolios with gold through ITM.  I mean they're just pandering to the crowd. 

 

Sam Cooper - https://www.thebureau.news/

 

Any mention of the half billion dollar seizure of drugs and chemicals in BC in November?  

 

https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2082&languageId=1&contentId=85957

 

Yeah, there is a problem.  Yeah, Canada could do better.  But U.S. and Mexico borders are just as porous, even with all of the money they spend on the problem.  

 

Is the way to solve the problem by alienating your border countries, or working with them?  And if they aren't moving fast enough, isn't it better to use small amounts of explosives, rather than nuking them?

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

 

Huh?  - so they are pandering to Canadians that the Trump tariffs might make sense.

WTF - they're Canadians!  LOL

[james22]

8 minutes ago, Spooky said:

You're just going to drive more and more people and countries into the arms of China. All of this just plays into their hands.

 

Again, threatening to turn to China rather than simply meeting your obligations as an ally only makes us wonder if you ever really were an ally. 

[Buckeye]

14 minutes ago, Spooky said:

 

The wealthiest country in the world has turned into a bunch of whiners. Why are you guys so mad all the time?

It’s what Bo Burnham sings about in his song Straight White Male, when he says…“We used to have all the money and the land...and we still do but it’s not as fun now”

[Parsad]

3 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

You don't get it. We're delighted. We were mad at the turn and direction of our country.

The national nightmare is over. Seriously - it's party time in America. Don't kid yourself.

 

 

Party of one...America...America...America?  Party of one...America?

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

8 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Huh?  - so they are pandering to Canadians that the Trump tariffs might make sense.

WTF - they're Canadians!  LOL

 

You do know that there are right wing Canadians here who love Trump and everything about him, right?  Even if it hurts Canada.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

7 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

Again, threatening to turn to China rather than simply meeting your obligations as an ally only makes us wonder if you ever really were an ally. 

 

You should write a country song..."I Shot My Neighbor When His Dog Killed My Chicken."

 

Cheers!

[james22]

9 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Yeah, there is a problem.  Yeah, Canada could do better. 

 

Why not do that then?

 

9 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Is the way to solve the problem by alienating your border countries, or working with them?

 

And if working with them doesn't work?

 

Under the Biden admin:

 

PRC narcos in Toronto are "command and control" for North American money laundering networks used in TD Bank case: US investigator

 

Canada’s Inaction: Asher criticizes the Canadian government for inadequate cooperation in the Tse Chi Lop and broader fentanyl-trafficking and Triad money laundering investigations and suggests possible political and financial influences are hampering effective law enforcement.

 

https://www.thebureau.news/p/prc-narcos-in-toronto-are-command?r=l2dv4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

9 minutes ago, Parsad said:

And if they aren't moving fast enough, isn't it better to use small amounts of explosives, rather than nuking them?

 

I give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he tried other options first. I can understand why you wouldn't. 

 

But we'll see.

[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

You do know that there are right wing Canadians here who love Trump and everything about him, right?  Even if it hurts Canada.  Cheers!

 

LOL - I have NO idea who these people are. What's so hilarious about thread.... everyone asks for proof, etc. ----- then you give it to them - and they accuse you of watch Fox News and posting links that will argue the case.  Then you give them Canadian videos,,,, LOL

 

I give you links, James , Gary, Mapleleaf and others do the same. Ignore them all and believe what you want!  Blame it all on Trump - that will make you feel good.

 

In the meantime - things in America are rocking. We are getting our country back.

 

 Hilarious!

[Parsad]

10 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

Why not do that then?

 

 

And if working with them doesn't work?

 

Under the Biden admin:

 

PRC narcos in Toronto are "command and control" for North American money laundering networks used in TD Bank case: US investigator

 

Canada’s Inaction: Asher criticizes the Canadian government for inadequate cooperation in the Tse Chi Lop and broader fentanyl-trafficking and Triad money laundering investigations and suggests possible political and financial influences are hampering effective law enforcement.

 

https://www.thebureau.news/p/prc-narcos-in-toronto-are-command?r=l2dv4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

 

I give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he tried other options first. I can understand why you wouldn't. 

 

But we'll see.

 

So how come the U.S. doesn't just stop all of the guns heading into Canada?  Easy to say..."why not do that then"...then actually doing it.

 

You quoted the same right wing site.  

 

 

[Parsad]

10 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

LOL - I have NO idea who these people are. What's so hilarious about thread.... everyone asks for proof, etc. ----- then you give it to them - and they accuse you of watch Fox News and posting links that will argue the case.  Then you give them Canadian videos,,,, LOL

 

 

 

Same sort of morons who have hijacked the Republican and Democratic parties and think they are helping the country with their extreme agenda.  You probably know some of them.  Cheers!

[james22]

3 minutes ago, Parsad said:

So how come the U.S. doesn't just stop all of the guns heading into Canada?  Easy to say..."why not do that then"...then actually doing it.

 

Is that the Canadian position?

 

That you've really, really tried but it's just too difficult?

 

Or that you'll try only when certain conditions have been met?

 

3 minutes ago, Parsad said:

You quoted the same right wing site.  

 

Who quoted a former senior investigator working with the US State Department, CIA, and DEA Special Operations Division.

[Parsad]

21 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

Is that the Canadian position?

 

That you've really, really tried but it's just too difficult?

 

Or that you'll try only when certain conditions have been met?

 

 

 

The U.S. position seems to be, we can't do it, so let's blame others.  Which seems to be a hallmark of this President.  When tragic crashes happen, he blames DEI initiatives.  You seem to have about the same amount of humility and empathy.  Cheers!

[Maverick47]

2 hours ago, Parsad said:

The U.S. position seems to be, we can't do it, so let's blame others.  Which seems to be a hallmark of this President

I’m just going to throw something out there.  If the President really wanted something from Canada, he’d first threaten tariffs to try to get it.  Since he doesn’t seem to know what Canada could do to make him reverse his position, and is going ahead with the tariffs without giving Canada a chance to do anything about it….perhaps he just wants the tariffs regardless.

We know he hates paying taxes and would like to extend and perhaps even enhance his previous tax breaks extended to individuals and businesses in the US.  He probably thinks of tariffs as a way to tax “foreigners” and help him in his desired goal of lowering taxes on his own citizens.  He doesn’t think that his previous tariffs caused inflation, so he thinks he can get something for nothing.  That’s how we can know for certain he never read Robert Heinlein’s novel “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”.  In that novel, rebels on The Moon often used the acronym TANSTAAFL in their protests, which stood for:

 

“There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”.

 

Mr. Trump begs to differ, and he thinks he has indeed found a free lunch, and he calls it by what he thinks is the most beautiful word in the English language: tariffs.

 

I personally would anticipate that if the tariffs are kept in place for an extended period of time (say a year or more) that we will see economic dislocations and increased levels of inflation in multiple countries.  If so, there may not be enough time for him to reverse course and see the economy improve soon enough to avoid having this impact the next electoral cycle.  That may be the silver lining in all of this….multiple countries will have to pay the price of higher unemployment rates and increased inflation…but this pain may result in the US electorate rejecting a Trump dynasty.

 

 

 

 

 

[Junior R]

12 minutes ago, Maverick47 said:

I’m just going to throw something out there.  If the President really wanted something from Canada, he’d first threaten tariffs to try to get it.  Since he doesn’t seem to know what Canada could do to make him reverse his position, and is going ahead with the tariffs without giving Canada a chance to do anything about it….perhaps he just wants the tariffs regardless.

We know he hates paying taxes and would like to extend and perhaps even enhance his previous tax breaks extended to individuals and businesses in the US.  He probably thinks of tariffs as a way to tax “foreigners” and help him in his desired goal of lowering taxes on his own citizens.  He doesn’t think that his previous tariffs caused inflation, so he thinks he can get something for nothing.  That’s how we can know for certain he never read Robert Heinlein’s novel “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”.  In that novel, rebels on The Moon often used the acronym TANSTAAFL in their protests, which stood for:

 

“There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”.

 

Mr. Trump begs to differ, and he thinks he has indeed found a free lunch, and he calls it by what he thinks is the most beautiful word in the English language: tariffs.

 

I personally would anticipate that if the tariffs are kept in place for an extended period of time (say a year or more) that we will see economic dislocations and increased levels of inflation in multiple countries.  If so, there may not be enough time for him to reverse course and see the economy improve soon enough to avoid having this impact the next electoral cycle.  That may be the silver lining in all of this….multiple countries will have to pay the price of higher unemployment rates and increased inflation…but this pain may result in the US electorate rejecting a Trump dynasty.

 

 

 

 

 

If these are in play for awhile countries will diversify...issue with Canada is Tradeu shutdown most energy projects...overtime canada could export more energy to Europe but takes time and we need a new government fist ...that's why this will hurt Canada in the short run..Tradeu doesn't know what he's doing

[Ulti]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01402390.2019.1636372
   
https://warontherocks.com/2025/01/the-trump-administration-vs-the-axis-of-upheaval/

 

where I disagree with the Trump admin approach is the risk to these inter regional defensive and trade relationships while creating acrimonious 

conflicts with our allies..  I don’t believe that Canada and Mexico see the Trump admin ( and the USA )as a TINA. They and Europe along with our allies in Asia have options

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2025/01/31/japan/ishiba-nudges-japan-closer-to-china/

when I combine the tariff actions with

how he proposes an Iron dome and doesn’t think of Canadian involvement?

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5112015-trump-executive-order-missile-defense/
 

And how does he think this type of action is going to work with NORAD?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/06-512-Canada-Defense.pdf
 

For those who are interested  a history of Canadian US relations 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_relations

 

While I , as an American, am very pro

US Canada relations… what I believe led us here is Shitty political leadership from 

Trudeau Biden Trump and these corrupt 

and myopic political parties they come from… They certainly don’t emulate the morals of the “ greatest generation “ of their countries….

[Sweet]

3 hours ago, james22 said:

 

Again, threatening to turn to China rather than simply meeting your obligations as an ally only makes us wonder if you ever really were an ally. 

America initiated the tariffs, fairly easy to apply ‘only makes ‘Canadians’ wonder if you ever really were an ally’.

I don’t get the tariffs on Canada.