Dave86ch Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 On 5/23/2024 at 8:36 AM, Dave86ch said: Tether is the 19th largest holder of US Treasuries, and USDT operates on the Ethereum VM. They regularly reinvest their profits in Bitcoin. The US might face some trouble if the blockchain were to disappear tomorrow. There is a game theory at play in converting the old and unreliable US debt protocol for value into a fully digital money protocol for value. It's a checkmate situation, and someone's denial does not change the facts. Separating money from the state is never thought to be an easy task; it takes time. On 5/23/2024 at 8:36 AM, Dave86ch said: Tether is the 19th largest holder of US Treasuries, and USDT operates on the Ethereum VM. They regularly reinvest their profits in Bitcoin. The US might face some trouble if the blockchain were to disappear tomorrow. There is a game theory at play in converting the old and unreliable US debt protocol for value into a fully digital money protocol for value. It's a checkmate situation, and someone's denial does not change the facts. Separating money from the state is never thought to be an easy task; it takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) Who needs an audit if Howard says "don't worry it's all there" and risks are well managed! Good enough for me. I mean, when has a stable coin ever f*ed up? Meanwhile, I am highly skeptical the US Government has any trouble finding buyers for their t-bills. Why are people eager to put their capital into a vehicle that buys T-bills but instead of paying the substantial interest on their USD denominated capital to them, some guy who doesn't want an audit keeps their substantial t-bill interest for himself and buys Bitcoin with it? Edited August 23 by gfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave86ch Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 17 hours ago, gfp said: Who needs an audit if Howard says "don't worry it's all there" and risks are well managed! Good enough for me. I mean, when has a stable coin ever f*ed up? Meanwhile, I am highly skeptical the US Government has any trouble finding buyers for their t-bills. Why are people eager to put their capital into a vehicle that buys T-bills but instead of paying the substantial interest on their USD denominated capital to them, some guy who doesn't want an audit keeps their substantial t-bill interest for himself and buys Bitcoin with it? Cantor Fitzgerald is one of the 24 primary dealers authorized to trade U.S. government securities directly with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 5 hours ago, Dave86ch said: Cantor Fitzgerald is one of the 24 primary dealers authorized to trade U.S. government securities directly with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Yes I am well aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) ETH ... The reality is that ETH is obsolete from the business POV. It is the old world give me development cash for a functional token (running on an ERC code) that does something ... vs the new world of bypass the token entirely and pay only for the demonstrated functionality as/when needed with CBDC. No developer risk, no inventory of non-liquid token with minimal cash value, don't pay if it can't do. Startup developers nightmare. ETH is obsolete processing. It is far cheaper to simply buy capacity on someone else's high capacity private ledger that includes smart contract capability; no different to the everyday make vs buy decision that all businesses do every week. However it will not takeoff until a MicroSoft offers this to the masses the same way that it offers Excel, Word, Access, etc. Not tomorrow ...but the fuse is clearly burning. Marketing wise, ETH is a failure because there is no mass product (ie: MS Office). Functionally, it's purely a startup development tool within the tech community, a step up from a Go Fund Me campaign; serves a purpose, but it's never going to be mass market. It is also questionable whether ETH or CBDC/T-Bills better diversify a crypto portfolio. Do your own back tests before forming an opinion ... Tech has little choice but to sing praises to ETH as it is a development funding tool. However, everyone else doesn't have to swallow the Kool-Aid. SD Edited August 25 by SharperDingaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave86ch Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 17 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: ETH ... The reality is that ETH is obsolete from the business POV. It is the old world give me development cash for a functional token (running on an ERC code) that does something ... vs the new world of bypass the token entirely and pay only for the demonstrated functionality as/when needed with CBDC. No developer risk, no inventory of non-liquid token with minimal cash value, don't pay if it can't do. Startup developers nightmare. ETH is obsolete processing. It is far cheaper to simply buy capacity on someone else's high capacity private ledger that includes smart contract capability; no different to the everyday make vs buy decision that all businesses do every week. However it will not takeoff until a MicroSoft offers this to the masses the same way that it offers Excel, Word, Access, etc. Not tomorrow ...but the fuse is clearly burning. Marketing wise, ETH is a failure because there is no mass product (ie: MS Office). Functionally, it's purely a startup development tool within the tech community, a step up from a Go Fund Me campaign; serves a purpose, but it's never going to be mass market. It is also questionable whether ETH or CBDC/T-Bills better diversify a crypto portfolio. Do you own back tests before forming an opinion ... Tech has little choice but to sing praises to ETH as it is a development funding tool. However, everyone else doesn't have to swallow the Kool-Aid. SD I'm not a fan of PoS, but still, the market for stablecoins is growing fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james22 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Sam Bankman-Fried, a personal verdict His crime was of a piece with his character. The character wasn’t the character of a thief. It was the character of a person numb to risk. Unable to feel risk himself, he can’t really imagine other people feeling much at all about the risk he has subjected them to. It’s this absence in him that leads him, when cast in a certain light, to seem vulnerable. Easy to kidnap, easy to steal from. It’s this absence that, cast in a different light, makes him seem like a danger to society. I could be wrong: Mine is just one more theory of a case complicated enough to support many theories. And even if I’m right, it’s no excuse. In the end, some coins should never be flipped. https://archive.is/Lj2bI#selection-413.144-413.157 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 13 hours ago, Dave86ch said: I'm not a fan of PoS, but still, the market for stablecoins is growing fast. Why not run stablecoins on BTC/LN or similar L2 setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave86ch Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 A redemption system is challenging to implement through Bitcoin's opcodes without some central authority. However, solutions like the Liquid Network offer a system based on a certain level of trust that leverages Bitcoin's proof-of-work. https://blockstream.com/liquid/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfp Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) If these NFTs don't get the last of you intellectual stragglers on board for the future I don't know what will! Now get your dough over to World Liberty Financial before its too late! https://x.com/worldlibertyfi?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1829141447087648796|twgr^b5d1068ca5352a591e14fff3944e33add3de5045|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2024-08-29%2Ftrump-says-he-ll-announce-a-plan-to-make-us-the-crypto-capital-of-the-planet "Beware of Scams" says the bio Edited September 1 by gfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wachtwoord Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 8/25/2024 at 2:15 PM, james22 said: Sam Bankman-Fried, a personal verdict His crime was of a piece with his character. The character wasn’t the character of a thief. It was the character of a person numb to risk. Unable to feel risk himself, he can’t really imagine other people feeling much at all about the risk he has subjected them to. It’s this absence in him that leads him, when cast in a certain light, to seem vulnerable. Easy to kidnap, easy to steal from. It’s this absence that, cast in a different light, makes him seem like a danger to society. I could be wrong: Mine is just one more theory of a case complicated enough to support many theories. And even if I’m right, it’s no excuse. In the end, some coins should never be flipped. https://archive.is/Lj2bI#selection-413.144-413.157 Thanks that was actually a decent article (I didn't expect that!) short of 2 things: 1. FTX creditors were not made whole. They were made whole based on an extremely depressed Bitcoin valuation on the petition date (while they were owed Bitcoin, not USD). After Bitcoin skyrocketed it was easy to repay creditors (and, except for some low amount of interest, the rest was robbed by lawyers and the IRS). 2. "young person with an intellectually defensible but socially unacceptable moral code" is very wrong. His moral code isn't intellectually defensible. Because 1. He fully discounts the cost of risk and the premium this should warrant, willing to take any arbitrarily small EV edge for any amount of risk. That is simply an illogical stance. 2. He's willing to take that risk for others (while he pockets the positive EV) which isn't merely socially but also morally unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james22 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Yeah, Lewis still doesn't quite get it. The case has nothing to do with how you feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saluki Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, wachtwoord said: 2. He's willing to take that risk for others (while he pockets the positive EV) which isn't merely socially but also morally unacceptable. This is what bothered me about him even before he imploded. People like this usually end up really rich or in jail, with not a lot of them in the middle. I think he's one of the few who ended up in both ends of the tail distribution, so kudos to him for that. Russian roulette has a positive expected value too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to play it, no matter the expected value is. And it's morally repugnant to get other people to play it on your behalf while you profit off the results without suffering any of the harm that you are causing others to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) SBF was just another savant, with zero/no ability to empathise with others; same as many a sociopath. https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210CA1494G0&p=savant+definition SD Edited September 16 by SharperDingaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/bhutans-bitcoin-holdings-revealed-kingdom-owns-780m-in-btc-from-mining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james22 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 17 hours ago, SharperDingaan said: SBF was just another savant . . . Idiot savant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vish_ram Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) High ego sociopathic savant. I think this country dodged a bullet. He had wanted to buy CME, Goldman Sachs etc. His goal was to control the entire financial system. Edited September 17 by Vish_ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 There has seemingly been a lot of buyers of bitcoins, between those who offer etfs, and even govenments. So why isn't price ripping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sweet said: There has seemingly been a lot of buyers of bitcoins, between those who offer etfs, and even govenments. So why isn't price ripping? Miner capitulation forcing holders of BTC to sell. You can see that in the hashrate dip following the halving (and has happened every halving) which is why price typically takes a few months to rip post-halving. Additionally, the German government sold 10,000+ BTC it confiscated back in July. People think a recession is coming so buying is probably a hair more muted and there is liquidity at ~60-70k that gets sold when we hit it from people concerned about the medium term outlook. Also, this was the first time BTC ever hit a new ATH BEFORE the halving of the supply so perhaps a few additional months of consolidation are in order. Those are a few thoughts - but I expect it'll be higher by year end and significantly higher ~6-months from now. I'd generally say the trend in demand growth/ETF flows/etc probably supports ~100k by early 2025. Edited September 17 by TwoCitiesCapital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james22 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Bitcoin: A Unique Diversifier Why bitcoin's appeal to investors lies in its detachment from traditional risk and return drivers KEY TAKEAWAYS - Investors considering allocating to bitcoin are grappling with how to analyze it relative to traditional financial assets, given bitcoin’s unique properties and limited history. - Bitcoin, with its high volatility, is obviously a “risky” asset on a standalone basis. However, most of the risk and potential return drivers bitcoin faces are fundamentally different from traditional “risky” assets, making it unfitting for most traditional finance frameworks – including the “risk on” vs. “risk off” framework employed by some macro commentators. - Bitcoin’s nature as a scarce, non-sovereign, decentralized global asset has caused some investors to consider it as a flight to safety option in times of fear and around certain geopolitically disruptive events. - Over the long term, bitcoin’s adoption trajectory is likely to be driven by the intensity of concerns over global monetary stability, geopolitical stability, U.S. fiscal sustainability, and U.S. political stability. This is the inverse of the relationship that is generally attributed to traditional “risk assets” with respect to such forces. https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/insights/bitcoin-unique-diversifier https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/literature/whitepaper/bitcoin-a-unique-diversifier.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) BTC diversification is attractive because of BTCs low correlation to traditional assets. Whereas the problem is two fold; (1) BTC cannot be objectively valued based on cash flow, and (2) the correlations are wildly unstable, hence it's hard to optimise a portfolio when BTC is one of the assets. However, while a BTC valuation based on 'feel' is a hard sell, that BTC volatility can eliminate a lot of cash drag. Employment risk for the outlier. The reality is that BTC's investment use is an evolving process, and will remain so for quite some time. Most would expect that as usage becomes more mainstream, the outlier risk will decline, resulting in a greater BTC capital allocation; raising the value of BTC. Of course in the meantime, if you can act like a PM, and don't have these constraints; good for you SD Edited September 20 by SharperDingaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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