China

[Gregmal]

I dont know why people would care. I mean AOC was a bartender and now look at her? Simply electing someone will allow them to enrich themselves. I'd only remotely care, and in a good way, if it was someone like Bloomberg, Trump, Schultz...who actually made their money in the real world rather than a Paul Ryan or Joe Biden who basically enriched themselves off the whole "elected official, public servant" schtick. But Im not sure its a huge deal either way to be like "oh everyone needs to know this guy is loaded"...

[Sweet]

I don't understand why anyone would care either and yet it's forbidden information in China.

[Luke]

3 hours ago, Sweet said:

Do you think Chinese media would post a story about CCP covert influence operations?  I doubt it.  China undoubtedly engages in these exact activities - such as social media campaigns - only bad when the West does it apparently.

"only bad when the west does it"

 

LOL, have you read the news the last years? I read only china bad china bad. Finally we see some of the dirt the wests pulls...

3 hours ago, Sweet said:

A quote from the same article: "disparaging narratives were based in fact despite being secretly released by intelligence operatives under false cover".

 

It would be pretty naïve to believe the top brass in China don't have massive amounts of wealth, which is ironic for aptly named communist party.  A Bloomberg investigation into Xi (before he was president) caused such embarrassment that Bloomberg was banned in China:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/29/china-bloomberg-xi-jinping

 

Why shouldn't the Chinese people know about the wealth of their leaders Luca?

 

The more interesting thing about this is to stop the belt and road initiative, that tells you a lot about the potential of this project. 

 

Chinese surely should know about the wealth of their leaders, never argued against it. I just enjoy seeing the CIA deep down in the dirt too, its not only China  

[Gregmal]

Even this terror attack in Russia…see how obviously different it’s being reported/treated versus other mass casualty attacks? The Post even had an article rife with insinuation that the perpetrators were victims of torture afterwards! And then of course the conspiracy theories that “Putin did it”, just without the disclaimers warning you it’s fake news.

[Sweet]

32 minutes ago, Luca said:

"only bad when the west does it"

 

LOL, have you read the news the last years? I read only china bad china bad. Finally we see some of the dirt the wests pulls...

The more interesting thing about this is to stop the belt and road initiative, that tells you a lot about the potential of this project. 

 

Chinese surely should know about the wealth of their leaders, never argued against it. I just enjoy seeing the CIA deep down in the dirt too, its not only China  

I’m referring to you Luca - that’s how I interpret your attitude to China.  
 

You’re posting a Reuters article about the CIA spreading what they consider factual information and claiming it is dirty and then saying is it any wonder China is censoring the news.
 

You’re not posting the dirty tricks of China, and you are against the press openly publishing factual information (according to the CIA) about corrupt officials.

[Luke]

1 minute ago, Sweet said:

I’m referring to you Luca - that’s how I interpret your attitude to China.  
 

You’re posting a Reuters article about the CIA spreading what they consider factual information and claiming it is dirty and then saying is it any wonder China is censoring the news.

The secret service of the US actively tries to block chinas interest by having misinformation campaigns against them. 

 

Its not ONLY China that is the bad guy here. That was the point. 

1 minute ago, Sweet said:

You’re not posting the dirty tricks of China, and you are against the press openly publishing factual information (according to the CIA) about corrupt officials.

They are not publishing that there ARE corrupt officials but they spread misinformation and sow distrust within the chinese community. 

[Sweet]

23 minutes ago, Luca said:

The secret service of the US actively tries to block chinas interest by having misinformation campaigns against them. 

 

Its not ONLY China that is the bad guy here. That was the point. 

They are not publishing that there ARE corrupt officials but they spread misinformation and sow distrust within the chinese community. 

Do you think China actively tries to block US interests?

 

You said it is ‘misinformation’ the article you posted said it’s factually true information.

[Luke]

45 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Do you think China actively tries to block US interests?

 

You said it is ‘misinformation’ the article you posted said it’s factually true information.

The CIA team promoted allegations that members of the ruling Communist Party were hiding ill-gotten money overseas and slammed as corrupt and wasteful China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which provides financing for infrastructure projects in the developing world

 

The efforts within China were intended to foment paranoia among top leaders there, forcing its government to expend resources chasing intrusions into Beijing’s tightly controlled internet, two former officials said. “We wanted them chasing ghosts,”

[Luke]

"Promoted allegations" under secret identities with fake chinese social media accounts. That tells you all you need to know. 

[Luke]

Why is the US so desperate that they use CIA to create fake social media accounts that try to prevent belt and road projects? Doesn't that clearly show it is very smart to continue to do that if the US is willing to go that far? 

[Gregmal]

Look at what John McCain and the CIA did in Ukraine in 2014! Then see all the brainwashed Americans justify funding the war because "Russia invaded a sovereign nation!"....its just so annoying we have to put up with this kind of ignorance/stupidity in the general society. 

[Sweet]

44 minutes ago, Luca said:

The CIA team promoted allegations that members of the ruling Communist Party were hiding ill-gotten money overseas and slammed as corrupt and wasteful China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which provides financing for infrastructure projects in the developing world

 

The efforts within China were intended to foment paranoia among top leaders there, forcing its government to expend resources chasing intrusions into Beijing’s tightly controlled internet, two former officials said. “We wanted them chasing ghosts,”

Same article also said it was based on facts whereas you said it was ‘misinformation’.

 

You’re selecting choose when parts which want to quote and ignoring parts inconvenient.

[Sweet]

42 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Look at what John McCain and the CIA did in Ukraine in 2014! Then see all the brainwashed Americans justify funding the war because "Russia invaded a sovereign nation!"....its just so annoying we have to put up with this kind of ignorance/stupidity in the general society. 

What did they do?  McCain and the CIA?

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, Sweet said:

What did they do?  McCain and the CIA?

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

[Luke]

15 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Same article also said it was based on facts whereas you said it was ‘misinformation’.

Where does it say facts? Please provide a quote. 

15 minutes ago, Sweet said:

You’re selecting choose when parts which want to quote and ignoring parts inconvenient.

What? I have made a point regarding the US interfering with the Chinese political situation by slandering an important infrastructure project. What have I ignored here? 

 

 

[cubsfan]

25 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

 

Ha!   That's a great article, that explains the situation well.

 

Like a friend of mine told me - Russian interference in our elections?!, Hell, that's what Russians do..!

And that's what we do!

 

 

[Gregmal]

11 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Ha!   That's a great article, that explains the situation well.

 

Like a friend of mine told me - Russian interference in our elections?!, Hell, that's what Russians do..!

And that's what we do!

 

 

Yea, thats why I honestly dont care AT ALL, either way about election interference. Everyone does it, if your people are too stupid not to be influenced then thats their fault. The problem I do have? Its with the people that sit here, either because they are stupid, or dishonest, and scream about election interference as if its a problem and isolated to one group or another.

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, Gregmal said:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

I read the article but I don’t see why Russia invading Ukraine is somehow justified, or a reason why the West (including America) shouldn’t help Ukraine.

[Sweet]

12 hours ago, Luca said:

Where does it say facts? Please provide a quote. 

What? I have made a point regarding the US interfering with the Chinese political situation by slandering an important infrastructure project. What have I ignored here? 

 

 

It quotes the same source for the article, it says "disparaging narratives were based in fact despite being secretly released by intelligence operatives under false cover".  The same source you took at face value.

 

You’re constantly posting content which is pro-China and anti-US.  You’ve appeared to make pro-authoritarian arguments and are for censorship of the media in China.  You’re clearly pushing an agenda on this board.

 

Edited March 26, 2024 by Sweet

[RichardGibbons]

4 hours ago, Sweet said:

You’re clearly pushing an agenda on this board.

 

Yeah, I think everyone paying attention knows this because of the large percentage of completely nonsensical arguments on this topic.

Edited March 26, 2024 by RichardGibbons
Made marginally kinder.

[formthirteen]

https://archive.is/3yQcM

 

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Yellen Warns China's Industry Ramp-Up Is Distorting World Economy

Treasury secretary calls out China for excess capacity buildup
China overcapacity ‘distorts global prices and production’

 

https://archive.is/ieSMZ

 

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While many western manufacturers including Tesla, BMW and Renault make electric cars in China that they import to Europe, Chinese-branded EVs alone are set to account for 11 per cent of the EU’s electric car market this year, rising to 20 per cent by 2027. Chinese brands such as BYD have already risen from 0.4 per cent of the European EV market in 2019 to 8 per cent of sales last year.
The findings come as Brussels finalises a probe into whether local subsidies have helped electric cars made in China undercut European-made models — an investigation widely expected to lead to an increase in tariffs on EVs coming in from China.

 

 

[Hektor]

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-recovery-picks-up-as-stimulus-measures-sink-in-8e0d4678

 

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China’s Recovery Picks Up as Stimulus Measures Sink In. Signs of improvement in manufacturing sector follow other evidence of ‘green shoots’.

 

China’s sprawling manufacturing sector returned to expansion in March after five months of decline, adding to signs of a stabilizing economy as a recent string of stimulus measures starts to kick in.

 

An official gauge of China’s factory activity edged up to 50.8 from February’s 49.1, the country’s National Bureau of Statistics said Sunday, beating a forecast of 50 by economists polled by The Wall Street Journal. The 50 level separates expansion from contraction.

 

Sunday’s upbeat reading comes after a bundle of indicators for the January-February period showing the world’s second-largest economy started off the year on a solid footing, led by the manufacturing sector, with exports topping expectations and industrial profits returning to growth.

 

[Hektor]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-31/china-s-industrial-upswing-is-latest-sign-of-economic-recovery

 

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China Industrial Upswing Is Latest Sign of Economic Recovery. Better-than-expected economic data points to signs of momentum. Property market and deflationary pressure remain challenges.

 

China’s factory activity beat expectations in March, boosting optimism about the country’s ability to achieve its ambitious growth goal of around 5% this year. The Caixin manufacturing purchasing managers’ index rose to 51.1 on Monday — above the 50 mark that indicates expansion for a fifth month, the longest streak in more than two years.

Government data published on Sunday showed manufacturing PMI in March snapped a five-month contraction to rise to the highest in a year. Both numbers beat market expectations, adding to evidence that the country’s industrial sector is building momentum for an economic recovery.

 

[Hektor]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-01/iron-ore-sinks-to-10-month-low-on-gloom-over-china-construction

 

Iron Ore Sinks to 10-Month Low on Gloom Over China Construction

 

‘A return to basics and fundamentals,’ says Navigate’s Widnell

Weak demand and rising supply send prices below $100 a ton

 

Iron ore dropped to the lowest level in 10 months as the steelmaking material faced a double whammy of limp Chinese construction activity and a renewed surge in supply. Futures in Singapore slumped through $100 a ton early Monday, tumbling almost 4%. China’s years-long property crisis is still wreaking havoc on demand, while rising availability is compounding the pressure on prices. “The move in iron ore this morning represents a return to basics and fundamentals,” Atilla Widnell, managing director at Navigate Commodities Pte, said by email. A rebound in shipments of the raw material from Australia is likely to make port-side inventories in China even more bloated, he said.

[Hektor]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-01/investors-are-unwinding-the-buy-india-sell-china-stocks-trade

 

Investors Are Unwinding the ‘Buy India, Sell China’ Stocks Trade. Nascent recovery shows improving risk-reward of Chinese stocks.

 

The nascent swing highlights how funds are starting to buy into the narrative that China’s policy support will be enough to revive growth.

 

More than 90% of emerging market funds are adding back their positions in mainland Chinese shares, which were underweight, while also dialing back exposure to India, according to HSBC Holdings Plc. Global investors were net buyers of onshore shares via a link with Hong Kong for a second straight month in March, a feat last seen in June and July.