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[cubsfan]

29 minutes ago, rogermunibond said:

 

LOL

 

Nothing like 2 days of continuous bombing to get the Iranians to "chicken out"...

[Eng12345]

Interesting we can pay reparations to Iran 

[RichardGibbons]

53 minutes ago, Eng12345 said:

Interesting we can pay reparations to Iran 

 

Yeah, Obama's looking pretty amazing right now--got a much better deal and didn't waste hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives to do it.

[RichardGibbons]

5 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Iran doesn't know that because we haven't tried to put boots on the ground and we can either wait them out longer than they can survive or we can destroy their infrastructure.  Just because we haven't done so doesn't mean it can't be done.  Israel is also quite capable of destroying their infrastructure as a kind of US proxy.  Iran knows all about proxies.  

 

So, if that's the case either:

 

1. All these options are likely to have much worse outcomes for the USA than the one Trump chose, or

2. Trump made a stupid decision signing this deal because he could've just done what you said.

What scenario are you saying that we're in, #1 or #2?

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, RichardGibbons said:

 

So, if that's the case either:

 

1. All these options are likely to have much worse outcomes for the USA than the one Trump chose, or

2. Trump made a stupid decision signing this deal because he could've just done what you said.

What scenario are you saying that we're in, #1 or #2?

Why does one need to pick either option or a "winner" or "loser" while negotiations have barely begun?  You choose to view the issue from the POV of Trump - again not sure why.  From Iran's POV - the one that matters, they either survive for a while or longer, or they don't.  Don't know which one is better for the current regime operators or the country at large.  We'll see.

[RichardGibbons]

16 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Why does one need to pick either option or a "winner" or "loser" while negotiations have barely begun?  You choose to view the issue from the POV of Trump - again not sure why.  From Iran's POV - the one that matters, they either survive for a while or longer, or they don't.  Don't know which one is better for the current regime operators or the country at large.  We'll see.

 

I focused on Trump because I assumed you were American and cared mostly about a good outcome for America, since you're talking (trumpeting?) all the different ways that America can hurt Iranians.

 

That said, I think I get it. You really don't want to make a decision between the two options because the first option means Trump is right but what you said earlier is wrong, or at best irrelevant, and the second option means what you said earlier is relevant, but Trump is too stupid to see it. Both scenarios are pretty intolerable to you, so it's a very good idea to avoid the question.

[73 Reds]

21 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

 

I focused on Trump because I assumed you were American and cared mostly about a good outcome for America, since you're talking (trumpeting?) all the different ways that America can hurt Iranians.

 

That said, I think I get it. You really don't want to make a decision between the two options because the first option means Trump is right but what you said earlier is wrong, or at best irrelevant, and the second option means what you said earlier is relevant, but Trump is too stupid to see it. Both scenarios are pretty intolerable to you, so it's a very good idea to avoid the question.

You focus on Trump, I focus on the Country and the World.  There is no decision to be made because this entire conflict has yet to play out in the minds of anyone who cares about more than how it involves Trump.  The winners could be the Iranian people and the entire Middle East region under the right circumstances.  That is my hope.

[RichardGibbons]

10 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

You focus on Trump, I focus on the Country and the World.

 

Come on, you do not. We've read the thread, and there's probably 150 posts from you that show this isn't true.

My position is that, based on the evidence available at the time, it was a good decision to attack Iran, and was probably necessary after the mistakes Trump made during term one. The net outcome ended up being quite bad for the USA and it's unclear to me if the outcomes will be good or bad for the world.

[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

 

Come on, you do not. We've read the thread, and there's probably 150 posts from you that show this isn't true.

My position is that, based on the evidence available at the time, it was a good decision to attack Iran, and was probably necessary after the mistakes Trump made during term one. The net outcome ended up being quite bad for the USA and it's unclear to me if the outcomes will be good or bad for the world.

The mistakes were made by Obama.  Nothing but a stronger Iranian threat was a feasible outcome under that deal.  Today, a much better outcome is at least possible.  No thanks to anyone but the US and Israel. 

[Gregmal]

Isn’t it obvious now that the formula here for most is basically (take current event), squiggle and connect somewhat stretched dots and lines to eventually culminate in an ever predictable (Trump so stupid) outcome….almost every single time. 

[dwy000]

48 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Isn’t it obvious now that the formula here for most is basically (take current event), squiggle and connect somewhat stretched dots and lines to eventually culminate in an ever predictable (Trump so stupid) outcome….almost every single time. 

I would have put it the other way.  Take an obviously stupid outcome and find a squiggly line to connect dots back to why this own-goal is actually a good thing and Trump intended that outcome even if its worse than before the action was taken.  

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

I would have put it the other way.  Take an obviously stupid outcome and find a squiggly line to connect dots back to why this own-goal is actually a good thing and Trump intended that outcome even if its worse than before the action was taken.  

 

Ayatollah dead

Half the IRGC leaders dead

Air defenses destroyed

Air Force destroyed

Navy destroyed

Nuclear facilities destroyed

Arms manufacturing destroyed

Currency worthless

Inflation 100%+

 

Iran is in fine shape

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Ayatollah dead

Half the IRGC leaders dead

Air defenses destroyed

Air Force destroyed

Navy destroyed

Nuclear facilities destroyed

Arms manufacturing destroyed

Currency worthless

Inflation 100%+

 

Iran is in fine shape

 

And still they somehow managed to only settle so far for an MOU and future negotiations.  It's neither a win, nor loss...and considering all of the above, it's astounding that this isn't a huge loss for Trump. 

 

The only thing...the ONLY thing...that will make this at all a win for Trump will be to get nuclear material out of Iran's hands.  Period!  You can spin it any way you want...but Ourkid8 can gloat all the way to the Iranian government-controlled bank with this reparation and sanction money, unless nuclear weapons are 100% out of Iran's hands. 

 

Otherwise, this was a completely ego-driven, waste of time, money and life exercise to try and prove Obama's deal wasn't good!  It would be a bigger loss than the Spurs 29 point collapse to the Knicks!   Cheers!

[ourkid8]

My brothers from Team Melli representing with pride at the World Cup — a hard-fought 1-1 draw that showed real character. Respect to the team for staying focused and delivering a solid result despite the disappointing treatment and unnecessary obstacles from the host. - very low class. 

 

Huge respect to the fans who represented with class and remembered the 168 martyrs of the Minab school tragedy! 

 

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/2066716577274188284/video/1?s=46

[Parsad]

Things that made me go "hmmm" from this weekend in Washington:

 

How did the Secret Service secure the UFC arena and fight on the White House lawn without a billion dollar ballroom?

 

Was that the first time athletes warmed up in every room of the White House, including the Oval Office?

 

I'm guessing the UFC shorts all of the fighters were wearing when they met the President was more formal than Zelensky's camouflage t-shirt ensemble!

 

Did Dana White get the unredacted version of the Trump-Epstein files while at the White House?

 

When of the color guys called "Melania"..."the first lady Ivanka Trump"...hmmmm!!!  I do see a resemblance!

 

 

Cheers! 

[Spekulatius]

5 hours ago, Parsad said:

Things that made me go "hmmm" from this weekend in Washington:

 

How did the Secret Service secure the UFC arena and fight on the White House lawn without a billion dollar ballroom?

 

Was that the first time athletes warmed up in every room of the White House, including the Oval Office?

 

I'm guessing the UFC shorts all of the fighters were wearing when they met the President was more formal than Zelensky's camouflage t-shirt ensemble!

 

Did Dana White get the unredacted version of the Trump-Epstein files while at the White House?

 

When of the color guys called "Melania"..."the first lady Ivanka Trump"...hmmmm!!!  I do see a resemblance!

 

 

 

Don't forget the whole event was exclusively televised by Paramount, owned by his buddy and donor Ellison. It turns out that you can just do stuff here. The other side of the American exceptionalism coin.

[cubsfan]

34 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Don't forget the whole event was exclusively televised by Paramount, owned by his buddy and donor Ellison. It turns out that you can just do stuff here. The other side of the American exceptionalism coin.

 

Trump - where men are men

 

 

[ourkid8]

9 hours ago, Parsad said:

The only thing...the ONLY thing...that will make this at all a win for Trump will be to get nuclear material out of Iran's hands.  Period!  You can spin it any way you want...but Ourkid8 can gloat all the way to the Iranian government-controlled bank with this reparation and sanction money, unless nuclear weapons are 100% out of Iran's hands. 

 

Don’t forget the protection payments from GCC countries, which are stepping up as they no longer fully trust the US to safeguard their interests.

 

There will be no gloating until we see the full details of the MOU. Only then can we determine which side emerged stronger after the war. Based on the rumours of deals flowing, I strongly suspect Iran came out significantly ahead and is poised for a major growth acceleration in the coming years. 
 

As I have said in the past, they enriched to 60% to get a deal and Trump played into it. - it’s a beauty! 

Edited 3 hours ago by ourkid8

[ourkid8]

13 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Ayatollah dead

Half the IRGC leaders dead

Air defenses destroyed

Air Force destroyed

Navy destroyed

Nuclear facilities destroyed

Arms manufacturing destroyed

Currency worthless

Inflation 100%+

 

Iran is in fine shape

 

This is exactly why you don’t truly understand Iranian culture, its people, or its religion.

 

“To know your enemy, you must become your enemy.” — Sun Tzu
 

The last two points will start shifting right after Friday’s signing. Iran is about to undergo a major growth acceleration.

Simple question: What percentage of Iran’s $300 billion reconstruction fund will American taxpayers end up covering? Just asking that question reveals how much the US has lost in this outcome.

[Gregmal]

2 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

 

This is exactly why you don’t truly understand Iranian culture, its people, or its religion.

 

“To know your enemy, you must become your enemy.” — Sun Tzu
 

The last two points will start shifting right after Friday’s signing. Iran is about to undergo a major growth acceleration.

Simple question: What percentage of Iran’s $300 billion reconstruction fund will American taxpayers end up covering? Just asking that question reveals how much the US has lost in this outcome.

You do realize, that probably the majority of Americans and even the world, would be happy to shower Iran with economic growth and welcome to the 21st century incentives if they’d just stop the state sponsored terrorism stuff, right?