John Hjorth Posted March 12 Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Haha - John - one of those American slang or idioms describing utter incompetence or weakness. I guess it translates well! Go for it. Mike [ @cubsfan ], On a more serious note related to your original post about the quality of US allies : History and experience of given country matters much in that respect. Israel is the best example of them all. There is no real alternative to victory, the alternative is to take an eternal dive into the Mediterranean with spouse and kids. Same could be said about especially Finland and Poland. Absolutely not to mess with for the not-so-friendly neighbour to the east. Tiny Denmarks preparedness means squat in the whole picture, but our straits are of strategic importance related to the Baltic Sea.
John Hjorth Posted March 12 Posted March 12 2 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Whether they are religious fanatics or have their own ideology (like the nihilistic views that Putin has) does not make all that much of a difference- they are all fanatics. Hitler was not religious at all (he actually was atheist) but was the worst demagogue of all times (so far). And no Putin actually places no value on human life whatsoever as he sent hundred of thousand of his own people into a meat grinder with little to show for. Same with Kim Jong Un in North Korea. @Spekulatius, To me personally, your European [German] background shines through here. Meant as a compliment. I think milage may vary with regard to the acceptance what's in warfare called 'collateral damage', meaning loss of lifes.
ourkid8 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 18 hours ago, Dalal.Holdings said: Well, if you actually believe this, I can't help you Forget expert advice—let’s put our trust in genocidal war criminals and the 'Epstein class' logic they subscribe to. (Please refer to video below) The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) admitted they have not found evidence of an active systematic plan to build nuclear weapons. AND, the US Director of National Intelligence stated that the IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and has not authorized or resumed its, nuclear weapons program. It looks like you are the only person who may need help as maybe the cartoon bomb drawing fooled you. Edited March 12 by ourkid8
dealraker Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Trump is Trump, he's been the same for 60 years. So if things, the economy, war, his popularity, etc. waffle into a bad state my guess is that he simply extracts as much as he can from the good ole US of A. His co-horts, many of whom in my view aren't the best of breed, may too join this parade. The problem for so many however is that they are younger than Trump, they are subject to prosecution down the road. Trump can be literally fearless of any outcome because he's not going to live long enough for any consequences of any sort. I've seen this bold act before. I've seen the ever-repeating rush in of believers for one project after another...and the subsequent slow but sure tide goes out that comes with total failure. To the degree that Trump gets bolder and more agitated, to the degree he ups the ante with his hyper rage impulsivity, that's when he makes mistakes that can't be resolved. He's never held accountable, that's his special skill. He slinks away to do yet another deal. It isn't that the Iran situation is one that wouldn't have happened, it is that the denial of what's really happening (and this is throughout Trump-land) is going to blister Americans with anger as time passed. Note, the Trump lovers will think this means I'm saying Trump will lose power. Not a snowballs chance in living hell will Trump lose power, he never loses his power over the people; he never loses his power over the justice or legal process/system; he is never held accountable. We the people? Now we get what Trump sews. But just remember that while Trump owns the media and has for 60 years, the media can sell both lust and hate for Trump, both work equally well. We are beginning to waddle in the unknown and oh boy I do think this could get interesting. But you can be sure of one thing and it will not change: Trump owns the US for the next few years. Live it and love it!
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 12 hours ago, RichardGibbons said: Paying disproportionately for everyone else's benefit is a form of power that they have decided to relinquish, hence reducing USA's power. So you're certainly right about that one--nice example. On the others, it's worth noting that we're talking about power, not things that get you horny about Trump. Crime and border security are orthogonal. GDP is unclear--so much heavy lifting is done by AI right now. It's unclear whether there's even a return to capitalism, because it more looks the opposite (government interference in business). Military strength is certainly down (using up weapons and can't even beat Iran, or even protect shipping in a tiny area like the Strait of Hormuz! It's kind of insane. I thought USA's military was supposed to be strong.) Zeal only actually matters to this conversation if it increases power; for the last year, it's done the opposite. So yeah. But the biggest deal is the loss of allies. Deals are happening in the world, and people are making plans, and for the first time in 80 years, USA has been relegated to the kiddie table. (e.g. under Biden, Trump 1, Obama, both Bushes, and Clinton, the most powerful western democracies would've signed onto the "Board of Peace". Now it's a punch line.) No allies have been lost. In fact they are being gained by the day. And as for relinquishing power through less welfare, it's called growing up and personal responsibility by the rest of the World. Unless you are one of those parents who has to support your no-good kids for their adult lives, you're happy to "relinquish" such "power".
UK Posted March 12 Posted March 12 16 minutes ago, dealraker said: Trump is Trump, he's been the same for 60 years +1
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 12 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Whether they are religious fanatics or have their own ideology (like the nihilistic views that Putin has) does not make all that much of a difference- they are all fanatics. Hitler was not religious at all (he actually was atheist) but was the worst demagogue of all times (so far). And no Putin actually places no value on human life whatsoever as he sent hundred of thousand of his own people into a meat grinder with little to show for. Same with Kim Jong Un in North Korea. They value their own lives and aren't willing to die for "the cause". Ideology can be blinding.
Charlie Posted March 12 Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, dealraker said: Trump can be literally fearless of any outcome because he's not going to live long enough for any consequences of any sort. This is very important. The incentives of the decision maker. If you are old and rich, you can do a lot of crazy things, because you will be soon dead anyway. No considerations of the downsides of decisions. Who cares if the world blew up???
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 22 minutes ago, dealraker said: Trump is Trump, he's been the same for 60 years. So if things, the economy, war, his popularity, etc. waffle into a bad state my guess is that he simply extracts as much as he can from the good ole US of A. His co-horts, many of whom in my view aren't the best of breed, may too join this parade. The problem for so many however is that they are younger than Trump, they are subject to prosecution down the road. Trump can be literally fearless of any outcome because he's not going to live long enough for any consequences of any sort. I've seen this bold act before. I've seen the ever-repeating rush in of believers for one project after another...and the subsequent slow but sure tide goes out that comes with total failure. To the degree that Trump gets bolder and more agitated, to the degree he ups the ante with his hyper rage impulsivity, that's when he makes mistakes that can't be resolved. He's never held accountable, that's his special skill. He slinks away to do yet another deal. It isn't that the Iran situation is one that wouldn't have happened, it is that the denial of what's really happening (and this is throughout Trump-land) is going to blister Americans with anger as time passed. Note, the Trump lovers will think this means I'm saying Trump will lose power. Not a snowballs chance in living hell will Trump lose power, he never loses his power over the people; he never loses his power over the justice or legal process/system; he is never held accountable. We the people? Now we get what Trump sews. But just remember that while Trump owns the media and has for 60 years, the media can sell both lust and hate for Trump, both work equally well. We are beginning to waddle in the unknown and oh boy I do think this could get interesting. But you can be sure of one thing and it will not change: Trump owns the US for the next few years. Live it and love it! 22 minutes ago, dealraker said: Trump is Trump, he's been the same for 60 years. So if things, the economy, war, his popularity, etc. waffle into a bad state my guess is that he simply extracts as much as he can from the good ole US of A. His co-horts, many of whom in my view aren't the best of breed, may too join this parade. The problem for so many however is that they are younger than Trump, they are subject to prosecution down the road. Trump can be literally fearless of any outcome because he's not going to live long enough for any consequences of any sort. I've seen this bold act before. I've seen the ever-repeating rush in of believers for one project after another...and the subsequent slow but sure tide goes out that comes with total failure. To the degree that Trump gets bolder and more agitated, to the degree he ups the ante with his hyper rage impulsivity, that's when he makes mistakes that can't be resolved. He's never held accountable, that's his special skill. He slinks away to do yet another deal. It isn't that the Iran situation is one that wouldn't have happened, it is that the denial of what's really happening (and this is throughout Trump-land) is going to blister Americans with anger as time passed. Note, the Trump lovers will think this means I'm saying Trump will lose power. Not a snowballs chance in living hell will Trump lose power, he never loses his power over the people; he never loses his power over the justice or legal process/system; he is never held accountable. We the people? Now we get what Trump sews. But just remember that while Trump owns the media and has for 60 years, the media can sell both lust and hate for Trump, both work equally well. We are beginning to waddle in the unknown and oh boy I do think this could get interesting. But you can be sure of one thing and it will not change: Trump owns the US for the next few years. Live it and love it! He's never held accountable? He's been held more accountable than any politician in history, especially given his short time in politics. Don't mistake overcoming and prevailing with being held accountable. Prosecutors, judges, juries and the electorate hold him accountable. Admit it, you just don't like the outcome.
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Charlie said: This is very important. The incentives of the decision maker. If you are old and rich, you can do a lot of crazy things, because you will be soon dead anyway. No considerations of the downsides of decisions. Who cares if the world blew up??? I guess that helps explain Biden?
cwericb Posted March 12 Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: No allies have been lost. In fact they are being gained by the day. WOW! Talk about living in a bubble! If you actually believe what you said, you sir, are truly detached from reality. You really need to step out of the U.S. bubble and see what the rest of the world really thinks.
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 12 hours ago, cubsfan said: Oh my gosh dude - you are really delusional. Another "America is losing the war" talking head. You sound like CNN. All in all, our so called "allies" are totally worthless with the exception of Israel. France, UK, Spain, Germany - totally pathetic. That group could not fight their way out of a paper bag. Tragic. And certainly, the Board of Peace takes the place of a totally nickel & dime and corrupt United Nations. So true. Look at the UN - it took Arab countries being bombed by Iran for 135 countries to finally sanction Iran after 5 decades. Never mind that they have been arming terrorists for the entire duration and given a free pass. The most useless organization of all revealing its true colors once again.
dealraker Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I also think Trump has an untreated insane level of anxiety. This is what makes the over-the-top irrational aggression so prevalent.
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 minute ago, cwericb said: WOW! Talk about living in a bubble! If you actually believe what you said, you sir, are truly detached from reality. You really need to step out of the U.S. bubble and see what the rest of the world really thinks. Look no further than the Middle East. And if you believe allies have been lost, watch them go it on their own - could be quite a show.
cwericb Posted March 12 Posted March 12 The U.S. started a war that caused other countries in the Middle East to be attacked. If that is the method of creating new allies one shouldn't rely too much on the long lasting support of said allies.
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Just now, cwericb said: The U.S. started a war that caused other countries in the Middle East to be attacked. If that is the method of creating new allies one shouldn't rely too much on the long lasting support of said allies. LOL, the US didn't start any wars. Your comments evoke a comical image of the US saying F-U to everyone but China, the ally we really need and want for the long run. Meanwhile if any country wants to forego assistance from the US they would likely receive little in the way of pushback. Let us know when that happens.
cwericb Posted March 12 Posted March 12 43 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: LOL, the US didn't start any wars. Oooooooookay.
Sweet Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) Worth watching: Summary of the claims: the US intelligence services managed to buy a microwave weapon from a Russian criminal network that can cause injuries in animals consistent with those found in individuals with 'Havana Syndrome'. The denial within the CIA have become quieter, and both the Biden and Trump administration, seem to acknowledge that federal agents, politicians, and their families, may have in fact been attacked by a microwave weapon. Those responsible are very likely to be acting on behalf of Russia. Edited March 12 by Sweet
dwy000 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 39 minutes ago, cwericb said: Oooooooookay. Its a cult of epic proportions
ourkid8 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 57 minutes ago, cwericb said: Oooooooookay. - Aggressive gaslighting!
Charlie Posted March 12 Posted March 12 2 hours ago, 73 Reds said: 2 hours ago, Charlie said: This is very important. The incentives of the decision maker. If you are old and rich, you can do a lot of crazy things, because you will be soon dead anyway. No considerations of the downsides of decisions. Who cares if the world blew up??? I guess that helps explain Biden? No, Trump. He is the guy without scruples.
cwericb Posted March 12 Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Its a cult of epic proportions They are truly delusional in their small, little world with no idea, nor do they care, about how the rest of the world see them. I have sympathy for the majority of the country - who are not infected with the Trump cult's delusional tiny little world.
cubsfan Posted March 12 Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, cwericb said: They are truly delusional in their small, little world with no idea, nor do they care, about how the rest of the world see them. I have sympathy for the majority of the country - who are not infected with the Trump cult's delusional tiny little world. Please, don't feel sorry for us. We deserve Trump. And you deserve China Carney.
73 Reds Posted March 12 Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, cwericb said: They are truly delusional in their small, little world with no idea, nor do they care, about how the rest of the world see them. I have sympathy for the majority of the country - who are not infected with the Trump cult's delusional tiny little world. Chatbots are entertaining.
cwericb Posted March 12 Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Please, don't feel sorry for us. We deserve Trump. And you deserve China Carney. People who call others names "... is generally a, malicious tactic driven by insecurity, poor emotional regulation, or learned behaviors. This behavior is frequently used in conflict to avoid intellectual discussion."
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