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[73 Reds]

5 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Hes suing entirely to try and save face.  Not suing is admitting its real.  Now let's see if he actually takes the lawsuit into discovery or if its just TACO (note that he filed to act as his own lawyer in the suit).

 

The easiest way to show all of the Epstein stuff is fake news is to release it all.  Exactly as he promised to do. 

That would be fine with me but if it is bad as some conspirators seem to suggest (particularly for Trump), why didn't Biden & Co. release it?  This has become yet another issue that Trump haters pile onto just because they have little else.  Rather sad.

[73 Reds]

5 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Which is exactly why they published the story...they have nothing to fear...the WSJ went around the houses on this, it is, at the end of the day a very damaging story about the occupant of the White House who is both hugely powerful and deeply litigious......the WSJ and Murdoch aren't in the financial suicide business.......the source, the sourcing, their due diligence on the letter itself have been done to the highest of standards and documented and you just know this to be the case......the WSJ & Rupert Murdoch knew they had hundreds of millions if not billions of defamation litigation liability exposure riding on the efficacy of their reporting here.......if you think they just 'made this up' you have inverse TDS.

 

Only one party knows for sure whether the letter is legit.  My bet is not on the WSJ.

[LC]

1 hour ago, whiskybravo said:

On Sunday, Retes said, guards came to his cell and told him he was going to be released. 

“An officer walked me downstairs,” he recalled. “I signed a paper to get my stuff back. That was it. They let me go.”
 

Very gestapo like.

 

Why are federal government agents assaulting, detaining, and deporting US citizens?

[LC]

Why was a green card holder who lived here for 40 years deported to a random country?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/20/ice-secretly-deported-grandfather

[73 Reds]

2 hours ago, lnofeisone said:

I see it the same way. Not suing is admitting it is real. Suing gives his base something to hold on to and say "courts were not in his favor", "the judge is corrupt", whatever, even if the letter is 100% legitimate. 

Nah, the choice isn't simply between suing and silence.  It could easily be explained with some context such as having been sent in jest.  No one would care other than the usual cast of Trump haters and TDSers who are collectively worthless to date.  

[whiskybravo]

38 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Why are federal government agents assaulting, detaining, and deporting US citizens?

 

35 minutes ago, LC said:

Why was a green card holder who lived here for 40 years deported to a random country?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/20/ice-secretly-deported-grandfather

Luis Leon indeed looks like a mistake.

Happened under Obama; Gestapo?
 

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/thousands-of-u-s-citizens-have-been-mistakenly-detained-or-deported/

 

“Between 2007 and 2015, more than 1,500 Americans spent time in immigration detention before the government acknowledged its mistake.”

Edited July 20, 2025 by whiskybravo

[whiskybravo]

As long as we’re posting anecdotal cases, how about one that reflects a much more frequent occurrence as a result of the last administration surrender of the border.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/07/20/us-news/off-duty-border-patrol-agent-shot-in-face-during-nyc-park-robbery-before-striking-back-and-wounding-one-of-his-attackers/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

 

“Mora entered the US illegally via the southern border under the Biden admin, the Department of Homeland Security said Sunday.”

 

“At the time of his arrest for the shooting, Mora was wanted on kidnapping and weapons charges out of Massachusetts, sources said.

He also had at least four arrests in New York City — where he was let go without bail each time, according to the sources.

Mora was nabbed twice just days apart August 2024 for allegedly assaulting a pregnant woman and threatening to kill another migrant with a machete.”

 

 

 

 

[cubsfan]

28 minutes ago, LC said:

Why was a green card holder who lived here for 40 years deported to a random country?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/20/ice-secretly-deported-grandfather

 

Why are American women being decapitated and thrown in a barrel?

 

- Because Biden refused to deport dangerous illegal immigrant drug dealers..

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-arrests-illegal-immigrant-accused-decapitating-illinois-woman-after-judge-set-him-free

 

Why are American law enforcement officers being shot in the face?

 

- Because even with a deportation order, President Biden refused to deport the criminal..

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/off-duty-cbp-officer-shot-during-attempted-robbery-involving-previously-deported-illegal-immigrant-dhs

 

 

[LC]

@whiskybravo

 

Trump has decided the Constitutional rights of Americans and people in America can be sacrificed for his agenda. And his supports love MAGA more than they love the Constitution. 

 

And I'll go one step further - it's every President, Governor, Congressman, voter, and masked ICE agent who supports the way ICE operates, as described in the NPR article you referenced. 

 

All the arguments about illegal immigrants committing crimes and the same stuff happening under prior administrations doesn't change the basic principle of the matter. 

Edited July 20, 2025 by LC

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

My bet is not on the WSJ.

 

Well as I said here - the WSJ's has quite literally bet the house here that its legit or most certainly they went above and beyond to verify its legitimacy....its a paper that generates I dunno perhaps $150m of net income p/a.....and the cost of being wrong here is hundreds of millions.

 

I guess what we should also clear up....as I find this always with MAGA....is they vehemently deny that XYZ accusation could be real about Trump....so strong as to suggest that if XYZ we're true it would obviously be disqualifying .....then when it gets proven to be real.....MAGA says who cares, it's a nothing burger.........the irony is they spent a huge amount of energy to deny its veracity indicating it was a something burger.

 

So tell me @cubsfan & @73 Reds....for posterity and for when truth comes out....because I think its impossible for the truth not to come out now >

 

(1) if turned out Donald was  lying about the nature, closeness and frequency of his contact and relationship with Jeffrey Epstein most especially past his 2003 paedophilia conviction. Is that problem for you?

 

Something burger or Nothing burger?

 

&

 

(2) when it becomes clear that the reason the Epstein files havent been released to public in full, as per Trump/Bondi's campaign promises, is that your favourite President is all over those files in a way that is deeply disturbing (no crimes) but again showing a deeper, more entwined & long standing relationship between the two men that stretches far past his 2003 conviction for paedophilia and the contents of which contradict numerous statements Trump has made regarding how well he knew Epstein and how he cut off what little contact he had with him post his 2003 paedophilia conviction.

 

Something burger or Nothing burger?

[whiskybravo]

15 minutes ago, LC said:

@whiskybravo

 

Trump has decided the Constitutional rights of Americans and people in America can be sacrificed for his agenda. And his supports love MAGA more than they love the Constitution. 

 

And I'll go one step further - it's every President, Governor, Congressman, voter, and masked ICE agent who supports the way ICE operates, as described in the NPR article you referenced. 

 

All the arguments about illegal immigrants committing crimes and the same stuff happening under prior administrations doesn't change the basic principle of the matter. 

Yea LC, it’s a morass.  My original response to you was the hyperbolic Gestapo reference.  That guy was out after 3 days. Hardly Gestapo like.  That was a pretty chaotic situation at Glass House.  Not surprising a mistake could be made what with all the violence against the federal officers.

 

You also pulled out the old hates brown people card.  That’s why I let you know so many of the people of color that I know don’t share your view.  In fact when I hear white people living in suburban or bucolic environments posing as defenders of brown people it reminds me of what one of the guys who works in my building asked me and I quote “Why white women so stupid”?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, LC said:

@whiskybravo

 

Trump has decided the Constitutional rights of Americans and people in America can be sacrificed for his agenda. And his supports love MAGA more than they love the Constitution. 

 

Yeah, and that means your buddy Obama torched the constitution by arresting and detaining 1500 American citizens. 

 

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/thousands-of-u-s-citizens-have-been-mistakenly-detained-or-deported/

 

 

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Well as I said here - the WSJ's has quite literally bet the house here that its legit or most certainly they went above and beyond to verify its legitimacy....its a paper that generates I dunno perhaps $150m of net income p/a.....and the cost of being wrong here is hundreds of millions.

 

I guess what we should also clear up....as I find this always with MAGA....is they vehemently deny that XYZ accusation could be real about Trump....so strong as to suggest that if XYZ we're true it would obviously be disqualifying .....then when it gets proven to be real.....MAGA says who cares, it's a nothing burger.........the irony is they spent a huge amount of energy to deny its veracity indicating it was a something burger.

 

So tell me @cubsfan & @73 Reds....for posterity and for when truth comes out....because I think its impossible for the truth not to come out now >

 

(1) if turned out Donald was  lying about the nature, closeness and frequency of his contact and relationship with Jeffrey Epstein most especially past his 2003 paedophilia conviction. Is that problem for you?

 

Something burger or Nothing burger?

 

&

 

(2) when it becomes clear that the reason the Epstein files havent been released to public in full, as per Trump/Bondi's campaign promises, is that your favourite President is all over those files in a way that is deeply disturbing (no crimes) but again showing a deeper, more entwined & long standing relationship between the two men that stretches far past his 2003 conviction for paedophilia and the contents of which contradict numerous statements Trump has made regarding how well he knew Epstein and how he cut off what little contact he had with him post his 2003 paedophilia conviction.

 

Something burger or Nothing burger?

 

You're not getting it.  

Why would anyone listen to the WSJ, let alone the media clowns that are always wrong.

 

The WSJ, the greatest financial paper in the world, telling us day after day for weeks on end that Trump's tariffs are going to bring on a world wide recession.

That unemployment is going to skyrocket. That tariffs are going to cause off the charts inflation..... the explanation is simple: 1) They hate Trump 2) They are plain wrong.

 

So now the same rag is screaming about Trump is in big trouble again. Big deal.
They have no credibility.  This is the same rag telling me Hunter's laptop is a Russian plant. That Trump has nefarious ties to Russia., etc etc.

 

Now you're going to tell me Trump is a pedophile. Have at it.

Lots of people had relationships with Epstein - Trump dumped him like a cheap suit early on.

 

You want to get all excited - go ahead.

 

I'll say Nothing Burger. 

[LC]

1 hour ago, whiskybravo said:

You also pulled out the old hates brown people card

 

It's where it originates. It's the reason the "mistakes" are mostly people of a certain color. It's the reason  MAGA is willing to, again, burn their Constitutional rights at the alter of "illegal immigration". 

 

And it is gestapo-like. If ICE operated with warrants, due process, "innocent until proven guilty"...then it would be acceptable as a reasonable process. But that is not what is happening - it's masked agents abducting people off the streets without cause or accountability. Gestapo-like.

[changegonnacome]

11 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Now you're going to tell me Trump is a pedophile. Have at it.

 

I've said the opposite at least four times now. The issue with Epstein files....is not that it shows Donald is paedo......the issues with the Epstein files are they show that Donald lied about the nature of his relationship with Epstein. I think what the Epstein files might show is that Donald might represent (when emails, texts, social engagements & tallied) a relationship that goes far deeper than merely acquaintances.  

 

11 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Lots of people had relationships with Epstein

 

The Epstein files....and the fact he wont release them.....is because Donald's connection to Epstein go far beyond a passing relationship.....Donald it appears was enough inside his inner circle to warrant getting into the 50th birthday card book.....I suspect the Epstein shows a pattern of contact that shows a much more substantial relationship than Trump has let on.

 

13 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Trump dumped him like a cheap suit early on

 

The political heat Trump is taking here....his desperation to distance himself from it.....his refusal to do what is at is his fingertips which to release the information to exonerate himself.....the pivot now to only Grand Jury evidence which is a desperate attempt to throw some meat to the base to see if that might shut them up on the Epstein.....suggests, to me, that the core FBI/DOJ Epstein files, the trove of information they collected, must show something even more damaging than a deeper tie between the two men........they are likely to show he continued communications with Jeffrey way beyond his 2005 paedophilia conviction....something which Trump has been unequivocal about.

 

Trump is acting like a cornered rat......if he's completely innocent.....he sure as hell isn't acting like it.

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

I've said the opposite at least four times now. The issue with Epstein files....is not that it shows Donald is paedo......the issues with the Epstein files are they show that Donald lied about the nature of his relationship with Epstein. I think what the Epstein files might show is that Donald might represent (when emails, texts, social engagements & tallied) a relationship that goes far deeper than merely acquaintances.  

 

 

The Epstein files....and the fact he wont release them.....is because Donald's connection to Epstein go far beyond a passing relationship.....Donald it appears was enough inside his inner circle to warrant getting into the 50th birthday card book.....I suspect the Epstein shows a pattern of contact that shows a much more substantial relationship than Trump has let on.

 

 

The political heat Trump is taking here....his desperation to distance himself from it.....his refusal to do what is at is his fingertips which to release the information to exonerate himself.....the pivot now to only Grand Jury evidence which is a desperate attempt to throw some meat to the base to see if that might shut them up on the Epstein.....suggests, to me, that the core FBI/DOJ Epstein files, the trove of information they collected, must show something even more damaging than a deeper tie between the two men........they are likely to show he continued communications with Jeffrey way beyond his 2005 paedophilia conviction....something which Trump has been unequivocal about.

 

Trump is acting like a cornered rat......if he's completely innocent.....he sure as hell isn't acting like it.

 

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I clearly misunderstood you - my apology.

We will see what happens.

 

I definitely do NOT trust the WSJ, so I will be interested to see how this turns out.

[changegonnacome]

Just now, cubsfan said:

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I clearly misunderstood you - my apology.

We will see what happens.

 

We will.....my sense on this.....is that the QAnon MAGA core wont rest till the full files come out.....their spidey senses for a conspiracy have gone off and they just cant help themselves scratching that itch.....Trump is, I think you might even admit, acting weird & a little 'yippy' around all this Epstein stuff....who knows maybe he's just a loyal friend....and is trying to protect Howard Lutnick's name going through the dirt as Howard and Epstein shared a wall in NYC (immediate next door neighbours)....maybe Howard has something to worry about and Donald the loyal friend is trying to protect him and is acting as his heat shield.

[cubsfan]

41 minutes ago, LC said:

 

It's where it originates. It's the reason the "mistakes" are mostly people of a certain color. It's the reason  MAGA is willing to, again, burn their Constitutional rights at the alter of "illegal immigration". 

 

And it is gestapo-like. If ICE operated with warrants, due process, "innocent until proven guilty"...then it would be acceptable as a reasonable process. But that is not what is happening - it's masked agents abducting people off the streets without cause or accountability. Gestapo-like.

 

ICE is doing it's job. Fullfilling orders of deportation. Starting with criminals first.

But while searching for the criminals at a location, if they encounter illegal aliens, they are detaining them and processing them for deportation. They broke the law, they are deported.  Those laws were passed by the United States Congress.

 

The fools the run the sanctuary cities and states refuse to work with ICE on criminal detainers. Idiots like Newscum, Kathy Hochul and Priztker release DANGEROUS criminals into the community.

 

So these fools make the job of ICE agents infinitely harder AND more dangerous.

So now - many illegal aliens are getting deported, along WITH dangerous criminals, since the Democrats insist up protecting the criminals from deportation. Too bad.

 

The Democrats have to be among the dumbest people in the world. The American public understands exactly what is going on: the border is closed, crime is down, criminals are being removed - and the Democrats can't do a damn thing about it except violently attack Federal agents doing their job.

 

No one is fooled. Everyone know the Democrats care more about violent illegal criminals than the safety of the American public.

Edited July 21, 2025 by cubsfan

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

We will.....my sense on this.....is that the QAnon MAGA core wont rest till the full files come out.....their spidey senses for a conspiracy have gone off and they just cant help themselves scratching that itch.....Trump is, I think you might even admit, acting weird & a little 'yippy' around all this Epstein stuff....who knows maybe he's just a loyal friend....and is trying to protect Howard Lutnick's name going through the dirt as Howard and Epstein shared a wall in NYC (immediate next door neighbours)....maybe Howard has something to worry about and Donald the loyal friend is trying to protect him and is acting as his heat shield.

 

Seriously, I have not a clue. And I certainly don't trust the government.

 

Obviously, I trust this administration far less than the last. 

 

 

[RichardGibbons]

The thing I find curious about the Epstein debate is that I think anything involving Epstein is almost completely orthogonal to being a good leader.

 

Like, would you rather have a leader that is upstanding morally but has such poor leadership that the country's standard of living plummets to Venezuela levels, or a completely repugnant pedophile who is able to usher in a golden age?
 

It's clear to me that the latter is orders of magnitude better than the former, and the huge positive difference in outcomes for almost anyone in the country should make the latter a clear choice.

 

So, I find it curious that people seem to believe that the Epstein stuff should be the thing that changes everything. 

 

Of course, Trump is also clearly an awful leader who is much more likely to result in Venezuelan-like outcomes than a golden age. But that's what should be the focus of debate--the long term consequences of his policies. Pretty well everyone already knows Trump's a liar with repugnant morals, so why should piling on more repugnancy matter?

[cubsfan]

11 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

The thing I find curious about the Epstein debate is that I think anything involving Epstein is almost completely orthogonal to being a good leader.

 

Like, would you rather have a leader that is upstanding morally but has such poor leadership that the country's standard of living plummets to Venezuela levels, or a completely repugnant pedophile who is able to usher in a golden age?
 

It's clear to me that the latter is orders of magnitude better than the former, and the huge positive difference in outcomes for almost anyone in the country should make the latter a clear choice.

 

So, I find it curious that people seem to believe that the Epstein stuff should be the thing that changes everything. 

 

Of course, Trump is also clearly an awful leader who is much more likely to result in Venezuelan-like outcomes than a golden age. But that's what should be the focus of debate--the long term consequences of his policies. Pretty well everyone already knows Trump's a liar with repugnant morals, so why should piling on more repugnancy matter?

 

Yeah, excellent point.  Other sleazebags for different reasons include Clintons (both), Obama, Biden - for various reasons - morally repugnant.  Seems a disease for powerful people to take liberties and behave awfully. Then you can throw in pretty upstanding leaders like Jimmy Carter, wonderful person, but totally ineffective & terrible President.

 

Unfortunately, I'll hold my nose, and take the powerful leader that gets shit done.

In Trump's defense - promises made, promises kept - just about every time.

 

I'll take that guy all day long, as opposed to the doormat.

[LC]

13 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

But that's what should be the focus of debate--the long term consequences of his policies.

 

Arguing the merits with Trump is a waste of time. Trump has no merits, principles, or "policies". 

 

Everything he says is a "negotiation" that is subject to change at any moment, if the right buyer comes along. You cannot take him at his word, it is meaningless. 

[dwy000]

19 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Yeah, excellent point.  Other sleazebags for different reasons include Clintons (both), Obama, Biden - for various reasons - morally repugnant.  Seems a disease for powerful people to take liberties and behave awfully. Then you can throw in pretty upstanding leaders like Jimmy Carter, wonderful person, but totally ineffective & terrible President.

 

Unfortunately, I'll hold my nose, and take the powerful leader that gets shit done.

In Trump's defense - promises made, promises kept - just about every time.

 

I'll take that guy all day long, as opposed to the doormat.

Does "promises made, promises kept" include the release of the Epstein files he promised multiple times?

 

Why would he not release them?  

[changegonnacome]

57 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

 

Why would he not release them?

 

its the question that just cant be answered by MAGA folks without their brain breaking!

 

The answer is just depressingly simple......Elon said it best...

 

 

Edited July 21, 2025 by changegonnacome

[Parsad]

On 7/19/2025 at 8:52 AM, TB said:

This is interesting, seems to have harmed the India/Canada relationship. It looks like Canada also has an open border policy. @Parsad @Xerxes @Vikingand other Canada folks interested to hear your thoughts.

 

Are you actually interested in hearing our thoughts, or do you have a preconceived narrative regardless of what you hear?  So far, almost every post, it seems to be the latter, so I won't indulge you with any response.  Cheers!