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Posted
7 minutes ago, DooDiligence said:

Pandering. This ain't gonna age well with Joe 6-pack.

 

We Europeans don't do Joe 6-pack. In stead our personal favorite and hero is named Onslow, married to Daisy, and he is just awesome :

 

 

 

Posted
15 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

We Europeans don't do Joe 6-pack. In stead our personal favorite and hero is named Onslow, married to Daisy, and he is just awesome :

 

 

 

 

06:20

 

"I like to keep an eye on the economy. A bloke in my position has to wonder how long the country can afford him."

Posted

Meanwhile, in Detroit, Michigan :

 

The Wall Street Journal  [April 6th 2025] : The First Victim of Trump’s Trade War: Michigan’s Economy.

 

Subtitle Auto industry, which supports one in 10 jobs in the state, shifts into battle mode to stem tariffs’ worst effects, even as many locals hope the cost will be worth it in the end.

 

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Detroit Regional Chamber [April 9th 2025] : MichAuto Statement on Tariff Pause.

 

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Christ, it reads depressing.😔

Posted
Just now, DooDiligence said:

06:20

 

"I like to keep an eye on the economy. A bloke in my position has to wonder how long the country can afford him."

 

He's just great, right? -I personally do my best to emulate him every weekend ...😉

Posted
5 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

The country just came out of a 4 year nightmare where:

 

- Freedoms were lost & suppressed, political opponents targeted, censored & jailed

- Equal rights for all, were institutionally legislated against 

- Rule of the lawless became the norm, so long as you had the correct party affiliation 

- Big government with associated corruption and massive waste ruled

 

We all got a taste of it. 

 

 

Wat

Posted
4 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Look I don’t think it’s terribly irrational for people whom don’t live here to be emotional and root against us, especially with what’s going on; that’s fine. It’s the people whom do call USA home and display this sort of hatred. It’s wild to me. 


In many cases though it’s the opposite. They are rooting for the US.  


There is a lot of reputational harm being done by this admin which maybe isn’t appreciated unless you are on the other side.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Patmo said:

Wat

Yes that is all in the past this is the future

 

- Freedoms were lost & suppressed, political opponents targeted, censored & jailed

https://time.com/7276286/miles-taylor-trump-anonymous-investigation-treason-traitor-doj-chris-krebs/

Oh and if that isn't enough, going after ever law firm that has ever been adverse to you

 

- Equal rights for all, were institutionally legislated against 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores-some-webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-defends-dei-purge

 

- Rule of the lawless became the norm, so long as you had the correct party affiliation 

https://apnews.com/article/nikola-trevor-milton-fraud-trump-pardon-3fcebb0a3820cecb205656f2dc3f6764

 

- Big government with associated corruption and massive waste ruled

I don't even know which example to choose on this one. So many to choose from.

 

I'm in agreement that the last four years left a lot to be desired. That said, I wouldn't exactly call the trump admin the shining beacon of good government.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Sweet said:


In many cases though it’s the opposite. They are rooting for the US.  


There is a lot of reputational harm being done by this admin which maybe isn’t appreciated unless you are on the other side.

For those rooting against the US, precisely what are they rooting for?

Posted
Just now, 73 Reds said:

For those rooting against the US, precisely what are they rooting for?


I’m not talking about those rooting against the US.  I am referring to those criticising Trump and his policies, many aren’t rooting against America, they are rooting for America.

Posted
1 minute ago, Sweet said:


I’m not talking about those rooting against the US.  I am referring to those criticising Trump and his policies, many aren’t rooting against America, they are rooting for America.

Understood, but there are folks rooting directly against the US and I wonder just what they stand for and support.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Sweet said:


I’m not talking about those rooting against the US.  I am referring to those criticising Trump and his policies, many aren’t rooting against America, they are rooting for America.

Yea there’s people cheering negative economic reports, hooraying the wars still going on, bragging about the misery that’s certain to happen…”cuz haha gotcha Trump”….thats kinda more what I was referring to.

Posted
1 hour ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Read this and a few other stories from American SME's with single sourcing from China....its brutal whats going to happen to them.......if something cant continue it wont.

 

A China pause is simply inevitable.......I'm starting to get positioned for it.

Posted
2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Understood, but there are folks rooting directly against the US and I wonder just what they stand for and support.


Hard to know.  Most of them tend to be countries ruled by near dictators, so what they stand for is probably quite personal and varied.

 

Problem is Trump, for some reason, seems to be turning on his allies.  I get some of the reasons why he would be doing that - NATO for example - but you want to push not alienate or worse push them into hands of your adversaries.

Posted
Just now, Sweet said:


Hard to know.  Most of them tend to be countries ruled by near dictators, so what they stand for is probably quite personal and varied.

 

Problem is Trump, for some reason, seems to be turning on his allies.  I get some of the reasons why he would be doing that - NATO for example - but you want to push not alienate or worse push them into hands of your adversaries.

Regrettably I believe there is a material segment of Americans rooting against the US.  Apologists, those who make excuses for our past and present, and those who don't value safety, rule of law and even the merits of capitalism.    

Posted
8 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Problem is Trump, for some reason, seems to be turning on his allies.  I get some of the reasons why he would be doing that - NATO for example - but you want to push not alienate or worse push them into hands of your adversaries.

 

It's hard to underestimate what 50+ years of cultural snobbery and moral condescension, while living under the American security umbrella, has done to undermine any sense of alliance.

 

Not to mention the mass immigration/Islamification and curtailing of free speech makes us wonder how much of a shared Western culture is left.

Posted
35 minutes ago, DooDiligence said:

 

The delusions are strong aren't they?

This is what decades of Rush Limbaugh does to your brain.

 

What a stupid comment. Never listened to him in my life.

Posted
35 minutes ago, moneyball said:

Yes that is all in the past this is the future

 

 

- Freedoms were lost & suppressed, political opponents targeted, censored & jailed

https://time.com/7276286/miles-taylor-trump-anonymous-investigation-treason-traitor-doj-chris-krebs/

Oh and if that isn't enough, going after ever law firm that has ever been adverse to you

 

- Equal rights for all, were institutionally legislated against 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores-some-webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-defends-dei-purge

 

- Rule of the lawless became the norm, so long as you had the correct party affiliation 

https://apnews.com/article/nikola-trevor-milton-fraud-trump-pardon-3fcebb0a3820cecb205656f2dc3f6764

 

- Big government with associated corruption and massive waste ruled

I don't even know which example to choose on this one. So many to choose from.

 

I'm in agreement that the last four years left a lot to be desired. That said, I wouldn't exactly call the trump admin the shining beacon of good government.

 

Oh, you mean those dirty law firms that provided the secret payments and firewalls for the Russian collusion hoax?  Those law firms?  

 

Defend DEI and the institutional racism - how about those Conservative & Jewish students in the IVY league, Berkley, Stanford, UCLA

 

Just think - if you want to run for President and are a Republican - expect 4 or 5 lawsuits as well as being removed from the ballot in 7 states - all the while trying to bankrupt you.

Why?  Because you have a puppet government that can't put up a real candidate.

We used to call that a Banana Republic.

 

Near Miss on continuing the Banana Republic 

Posted (edited)
35 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Regrettably I believe there is a material segment of Americans rooting against the US.  Apologists, those who make excuses for our past and present, and those who don't value safety, rule of law and even the merits 


Agree 

 

21 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

It's hard to underestimate what 50+ years of cultural snobbery and moral condescension, while living under the American security umbrella, has done to undermine any sense of alliance.

 

Not to mention the mass immigration/Islamification and curtailing of free speech makes us wonder how much of a shared Western culture is left.


Agree in much of that.

 

Regarding the security blanket - who is to blame for that?  Mostly Europeans but let’s not act like big brother didn’t play a role.

 

French and British pursued their own interest in Suez and got slapped down by America.  America threatened them both financially and helped cause a run on the pound.  Another instance, British started the nuclear bomb project first (not widely known), then America and British (plus Canada) joined their programmes begetting the Manhattan project.  When the war ended the US refused to let the British use the technology - bit of a backstab.  The Brits developed their own bomb and then the Americans told them ‘hey use ours’ - which they foolishly did.  Now there is talk that the American can turn off support for those nukes…

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Sweet said:


Agree 

 


Agree in much of that.

 

Regarding the security blanket - who is to blame for that?  Mostly Europeans but let’s not act like big brother didn’t play a role.

 

French and British pursued their own interest in Suez and got slapped down by America.  America threatened them both financially and helped cause a run on the pound.  Another instance, British started the nuclear bomb project first (not widely known), then America and British (plus Canada) joined their programmes begetting the Manhattan project.  When the war ended the US refused to let the British use the technology - bit of a backstab.  The Brits developed their own bomb and then the Americans told them ‘hey use ours’ - which they foolishly did.  Now there is talk that the American can turn off support for those nukes…

 

Exactly America is to blame for a lot of its own issues. But regarding the biggest of issues, tariffs with allies, I think they get watered down a lot, but at the same time it’s like an Entourage situation….you have one star and a bunch of posse members whom are living above their means only because of association. Asking more of the allies isn’t crazy. He’s just a bit of an asshole in terms of how he’s choosing to ask. 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Exactly America is to blame for a lot of its own issues. But regarding the biggest of issues, tariffs with allies, I think they get watered down a lot, but at the same time it’s like an Entourage situation….you have one star and a bunch of posse members whom are living above their means only because of association. Asking more of the allies isn’t crazy. He’s just a bit of an asshole in terms of how he’s choosing to ask. 


You’re right it’s not.  UK defence to GDP was about 5% when I was born.  That’s a bit high in peace time but it should never have been 2%.  Same across Europe.

 

The UK is still regarded as one of the strongest militaries in the world - but it’s not.  It’s a mess top to bottom, it’s been underinvested, there aren’t enough soldiers or ships and I’m not sure if there is a patriotic feeling about the country anymore. 

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