Leaving New York City

[Castanza]

4 hours ago, dwy000 said:

So the thousands of kids molested by priests (admitted by the chirch) are just numbers in line with the population but "it happens more than you think" without any stats is an epidemic?

 

I suspect it happens at equal rates whether gay or straight.  The issue you seem to have is when the person doing it is gay, when the issue should be regardless of of sexual preference.

 

The suicides by trans people are much more likely related to people treating them like freaks and not being accepted than regretting their change. Just look at the blowback with Bud Light. That person did nothing but accept a promo can of beer and suddenly there's a boycott.  For what?  Who are they harming?

Im not ok with it in any form. My point is you and many others like to use Catholic Priests or churches as some cornerstone argument. When you look at the stats it’s the same as the general population. Anyone who does it should be castrated. You know what they use to castrate sex offenders? The same drug they use to castrate children’s getting sex changes. 
 

Your second statement is completely false. The suicide rate doesn’t change after surgery. We live in a world that is more accepting than ever of this. Frankly your level of research into the topic is appallingly dismal. The dude on the BudLight can is an adult male who pretends to be a little girl. Who does it harm? I think it harms society. It harms kids and confuses people in vulnerable mental states. Idk about you but I think a society that has objective truth is important. It’s completely unscientific and lunacy. Laws and legislation affect me. 

 

[Castanza]

 

2 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

I can't find your comment...which riots are you talking about?   Cheers!

Should have said roots* and I was referring to the John Money Alfred Kinsey stuff. Where the idea of trans comes from and their failed and sick experiments, terrible outcomes.

[Parsad]

12 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

Should have said roots* and I was referring to the John Money Alfred Kinsey stuff. Where the idea of trans comes from and their failed and sick experiments, terrible outcomes.

 

Doctors, scientists and even the Catholic Church and Christianity have done horrendous things for centuries to try and understand the human body and progress medicine...that's a non-starter.  The question is if there is validity to a link between transgenderism and mental health.  Without a doubt there is.

 

That being said, I think psychology is probably the area of medicine that has probably progressed the least in understanding the human brain, body and how it functions.  Endocrinology has massive effects on mental health that we don't understand very well and is light years behind other areas of medicine.  Experiences also have a massive effect on mental health and that differs from patient to patient.  Thus why I agree to protect children/minors from life-changing decisions...but conservatives are going nuts with regulation...some 450 trans/gender/LGTBQ related legislation/bills attempted to pass through different levels of government in the U.S. over the last couple of years...278 in 2022 alone!

 

That's just fucked up and targeting a wide swath of a very tiny group with only part of that aimed at protecting children.  Let's really just say what it is...restricting LGTBQ rights.  We know that...liberals know that...conservatives know that...let's not pretend it's something else.  The ex-President goes around with porn stars and Jeffrey Epstein grabbing women's vaginas, and I don't hear one single MAGA supporter saying that's fucked up...but they all want RuPaul to stay away from their kids!  

 

Cheers! 

[rossef2]

On 4/12/2023 at 10:22 PM, Castanza said:

Yup just like the UK. Ban guns ok, then end up with increased stabbing and burglars with a license to rob knowing they have nothing to worry about.  UK solution: metal detectors on sidewalks. 
 

 

 

 

Guns aren't banned, they're just restricted, you can get one if you want to go shooting or hunting but it's controlled. 

I'd also be surprised if knife crime increased following the gun law change, knife crime has long been a problem in the UK. Some areas, such as Glasgow have massively improved over the past twenty years however it seems London has gotten worse although this seems to be generally a black-on-black gang thing..

[Castanza]

4 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

Doctors, scientists and even the Catholic Church and Christianity have done horrendous things for centuries to try and understand the human body and progress medicine...that's a non-starter.  The question is if there is validity to a link between transgenderism and mental health.  Without a doubt there is.

 

That being said, I think psychology is probably the area of medicine that has probably progressed the least in understanding the human brain, body and how it functions.  Endocrinology has massive effects on mental health that we don't understand very well and is light years behind other areas of medicine.  Experiences also have a massive effect on mental health and that differs from patient to patient.  Thus why I agree to protect children/minors from life-changing decisions...but conservatives are going nuts with regulation...some 450 trans/gender/LGTBQ related legislation/bills attempted to pass through different levels of government in the U.S. over the last couple of years...278 in 2022 alone!

 

That's just fucked up and targeting a wide swath of a very tiny group with only part of that aimed at protecting children.  Let's really just say what it is...restricting LGTBQ rights.  We know that...liberals know that...conservatives know that...let's not pretend it's something else.  The ex-President goes around with porn stars and Jeffrey Epstein grabbing women's vaginas, and I don't hear one single MAGA supporter saying that's fucked up...but they all want RuPaul to stay away from their kids!  

 

Cheers! 

Wtf does this have to do with Donald Trump? But last I checked he was the he who signed Gay Marriage into law. What rights are being restricted? Epstein is trash and his list was full of elites from all over. Again, completely irrelevant to the conversation. 

 

I'll make this my last post on the topic only to say I think society needs to figure out what is appropriate in inappropriate. What has and hasn't changed as far as humans go and what framework makes sense moving forward. Personally I want to live in one that embraces reality and truth the same way 2 + 2 = 4. I think we should understand the consequences of the trans/sex change surgeries before foisting them on kids. So far the data does not look good. Cancer extremely high rates with hormone therapy and puberty blockers. Also very high increase rates post surgery. Mental improvements have been shown to be very little if any as suicide rates rise. I would gladly pay much more in taxes to address the multitude to mental problems that plague society currently. And it's my personal opinion that drugs, media, the internet and more specifically social media have had a major impact on all of the above. Time will tell. 

 

Again, you think the “group” is much smaller than it is. This type of stuff below is happening all over. You good with this? 

 

 

Someone who regrets their “transition”

 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Castanza

[cubsfan]

4 hours ago, Castanza said:

Im not ok with it in any form. My point is you and many others like to use Catholic Priests or churches as some cornerstone argument. When you look at the stats it’s the same as the general population. Anyone who does it should be castrated. You know what they use to castrate sex offenders? The same drug they use to castrate children’s getting sex changes. 
 

Your second statement is completely false. The suicide rate doesn’t change after surgery. We live in a world that is more accepting than ever of this. Frankly your level of research into the topic is appallingly dismal. The dude on the BudLight can is an adult male who pretends to be a little girl. Who does it harm? I think it harms society. It harms kids and confuses people in vulnerable mental states. Idk about you but I think a society that has objective truth is important. It’s completely unscientific and lunacy. Laws and legislation affect me. 

 

Truth is the suicide rate for transgenders is 40% AFTER surgery. For the first 12 months, all is fine, with the transition being assured. Past that first year, when they understand the irreversible nature and in fertility issues - the suicide probabilities skyrocket. 

[Gregmal]

I think the bigger issue is that when its virtually impossible to raise a family in a safe environment, with good education options, thats a problem for a city. How exactly does one raise a family in NYC or Chicago these days? Hey Johnny, wanna go to the park with the homeless people, druggies, and gangbangers? Ride your bike down the street? Go play ball at the courts where there was a shooting the other day? Public schools are out of the question and unless you have $30k-$60k a year or more, per kid for private, what do you do? Move to Westchester LOL. Ive mentioned the peculiar nature of the anti-safety movement, but Im equally perplexed at the hatred of charter schools or general improvement in educational options in the places as well. Theres just such a political web of conflicting bs and a stalemate, probably intentional, on doing anything. Its a shame and I thought Adams was a step in the right direction, but even still, its gonna take awhile. 

[cubsfan]

The blowback against Bud Light is a sure sign that the public has had enough of this nonsense. The public is terrified of being cancelled and called bigots by the transgender activists. But it’s very easy to make your statement by boycotting the product.

 

Then the companies VP of Marketing is exposed with her comments about the typical Bud drinker being frat boys, behind the times, not cool, etc, etc.

 

nothing like pissing off your base customers with unwarranted insults and pushing more trans nonsense down their throat.

[dwy000]

7 hours ago, Sweet said:

In the past ten or so years we have started teaching about trans in schools, sought to get gender recognition laws passed to allow anyone to ‘change their sex’ if they wanted, want men competing in woman’s sport, give puberty blockers to children under the age of 10 (UK), surgery and cross hormones for teens, passed laws that compels speech pronoun use, and other laws which means parents must affirm their child’s gender.

 

@Parsad @dwy000 do you consider pushing back against that as targeting a particular group?

 

 

When you combine it as a one issue, the common thread is not liking gay people.  You need to look at each issue independently.

 

I completely agree that trans females shouldn't play sports against other females.  That's just fair and common sense and will sort itself out (with a lot of noise).

 

I don't know what "teaching" trans in class is or who is doing it.  Acknowledging that gay people exist and that you aren't a deviant for having feelings towards your own gender seems more healthy than denying it.  You can't "teach" people to be gay.  And you certainly can't "teach" them to be trans.  They're going to be what they are regardless of what gets taught in school and it's just a question. Of whether you want them to hate themselves or not. 

 

Surgery shouldn't be allowed until over 16. But it's WAY blown out of proportion for the numbers. It's not like thousands of straight kids are being forced to convert and indoctrinated (like say...in Sunday school).

[dwy000]

6 hours ago, Castanza said:

Im not ok with it in any form. My point is you and many others like to use Catholic Priests or churches as some cornerstone argument. When you look at the stats it’s the same as the general population. Anyone who does it should be castrated. You know what they use to castrate sex offenders? The same drug they use to castrate children’s getting sex changes. 
 

Your second statement is completely false. The suicide rate doesn’t change after surgery. We live in a world that is more accepting than ever of this. Frankly your level of research into the topic is appallingly dismal. The dude on the BudLight can is an adult male who pretends to be a little girl. Who does it harm? I think it harms society. It harms kids and confuses people in vulnerable mental states. Idk about you but I think a society that has objective truth is important. It’s completely unscientific and lunacy. Laws and legislation affect me. 

 

And there we get to the real heart of your argument. You think gay and trans harms society.  

 

You can't teach people to be gay or not. And you can't teach them to be trans.  If watching the Bud Light girl causes your kid to be gay, guess what?  They were there already!!!  

 

Hating people for who they are and want to be because it makes you uncomfortable (but otherwise doesn't affect you whatsoever) is a far, far worse example for your kids than saying we love you no matter what. 

[dwy000]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

Truth is the suicide rate for transgenders is 40% AFTER surgery. For the first 12 months, all is fine, with the transition being assured. Past that first year, when they understand the irreversible nature and in fertility issues - the suicide probabilities skyrocket. 

Not because they regret the surgery!  Because society hates them. 

 

Less than 1% have regrets about the surgery and a portion of those are temporary. 

 

The question is why you hate them?  I'd bet you never heard of the Bud Light person until they got a promo can but now are sworn off Bud Light.  What are you scared of?  You can't convince people to be gay or trans. 

[Castanza]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

And there we get to the real heart of your argument. You think gay and trans harms society.  

 

You can't teach people to be gay or not. And you can't teach them to be trans.  If watching the Bud Light girl causes your kid to be gay, guess what?  They were there already!!!  

 

Hating people for who they are and want to be because it makes you uncomfortable (but otherwise doesn't affect you whatsoever) is a far, far worse example for your kids than saying we love you no matter what. 

 

First of all I have ZERO problem with people being gay. I have gay friends even went to a gay wedding. I have a problem with trans because it is a mental disorder. I have a problem with teaching this unscientific cult like nonsense to children in the public school system. I have a problem with legislation that takes the rights of consent away from parents for underage children. I have a problem with the trans communities obsession with sexualizing young kids. You don't have to accept that and that's fine. But I think you should do more research before you jump on the bandwagon. The idea that people cannot be "nurtured" into something is laughable at best. Here is just one case that took all but five seconds to find. 

 

https://t.co/vjIYwBdu15 pic.twitter.com/4RPXG1o7zg

 

Oh and a few more "normal clearly sound of mind individuals" for you.... Go check out the channel https://www.youtube.com/@TheQuartering/shorts

 

 

 

 

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

First of all I have ZERO problem with people being gay. I have gay friends even went to a gay wedding. I have a problem with trans because it is a mental disorder. I have a problem with teaching this unscientific cult like nonsense to children in the public school system. I have a problem with legislation that takes the rights of consent away from parents for underage children. I have a problem with the trans communities obsession with sexualizing young kids. You don't have to accept that and that's fine. But I think you should do more research before you jump on the bandwagon. The idea that people cannot be "nurtured" into something is laughable at best. Here is just one case that took all but five seconds to find. 

 

https://t.co/vjIYwBdu15 pic.twitter.com/4RPXG1o7zg

 

Oh and a few more "normal clearly sound of mind individuals" for you.... Go check out the channel https://www.youtube.com/@TheQuartering/shorts

 

 

 

 

20 years ago people said the exact same thing about gay people that you are saying about trans people.

 

And, again, the sexualization of kids is an issue regardless of who is doing it - and there is no way to prove that it is disproportionately gay vs straight. 

 

You seem to be doing a lot of research on an issue that doesn't affect you otherwise. I'm sure your browser history is just "research" right?

[Gregmal]

The larger issue for many is the gaslighting and just overall redefining of things based on an agenda combined with the notion that those seeking acceptance refuse to accept anyone who believes differently than them, often to the extent that those same people try to harm or ruin folks who simply disagree with them. If trans people are a tiny fraction of a fraction in terms of society, why is this stuff being promoted as if that number is like 30%? Why not campaign and stuff school books with propaganda promoting the health and safety of the indigenous people of the Sentinel Islands? I have a few simple rules that I live by and one of the bigger ones is don’t make your problems my problems and vice versa. Today certain types are all about making their problems everyone else’s problems.
 

Some stuff is just plain weird. Fat people are fat. Nothing wrong with calling spades a spade or saying one would or wouldn’t want certain things for themselves or their families. Except today, we are seeing society try to convince us that if someone is 300 pounds, they’re not fat, and you are the one with the problem if you think they are. Or if they’re 300 pounds, a male, and wearing a wig and dress, that you’re the problem if you think they’re a fat weirdo. Much of these issues are derivatives of mental issues. Which whether it’s dressing funny, eating too much, crime, etc….just aren’t being addressed properly and are arguably even being ignore. 

[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

The larger issue for many is the gaslighting and just overall redefining of things based on an agenda combined with the notion that those seeking acceptance refuse to accept anyone who believes differently than them, often to the extent that those same people try to harm or ruin folks who simply disagree with them. If trans people are a tiny fraction of a fraction in terms of society, why is this stuff being promoted as if that number is like 30%? Why not campaign and stuff school books with propaganda promoting the health and safety of the indigenous people of the Sentinel Islands? I have a few simple rules that I live by and one of the bigger ones is don’t make your problems my problems and vice versa. Today certain types are all about making their problems everyone else’s problems.
 

Some stuff is just plain weird. Fat people are fat. Nothing wrong with calling spades a spade or saying one would or wouldn’t want certain things for themselves or their families. Except today, we are seeing society try to convince us that if someone is 300 pounds, they’re not fat, and you are the one with the problem if you think they are. Or if they’re 300 pounds, a male, and wearing a wig and dress, that you’re the problem if you think they’re a fat weirdo. Much of these issues are derivatives of mental issues. Which whether it’s dressing funny, eating too much, crime, etc….just aren’t being addressed properly and are arguably even being ignore. 

I actually agree with all of this. 

[cubsfan]

35 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Not because they regret the surgery!  Because society hates them. 

 

Less than 1% have regrets about the surgery and a portion of those are temporary. 

 

The question is why you hate them?  I'd bet you never heard of the Bud Light person until they got a promo can but now are sworn off Bud Light.  What are you scared of?  You can't convince people to be gay or trans. 

I’d ask you - why are you such a bigot?

 

I hate the KKK because they preach that blacks people are subhuman. You have a problem with that?

 

I have saved my vitriol for transgender ACTIVISTS - does that make me a transphobe?  Because I don’t want them indoctrinating my children with sexual lies? A man can be a woman? If you cut off your testicles you’ll be a woman? All without the parents consent and totally behind their back.

 

Obviously you don’t believe a conservative voice when he says live and let live, just stay away from my children. That just makes you a bigot for forcing your ideology on my family.

 

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

I’d ask you - why are you such a bigot?

 

I hate the KKK because they preach that blacks people are subhuman. You have a problem with that?

 

I have saved my vitriol for transgender ACTIVISTS - does that make me a transphobe?  Because I don’t want them indoctrinating my children with sexual lies? A man can be a woman? If you cut off your testicles you’ll be a woman? All without the parents consent and totally behind their back.

 

Obviously you don’t believe a conservative voice when he says live and let live, just stay away from my children. That just makes you a bigot for forcing your ideology on my family.

 

Quite the opposite!  I firmly believe in live and let live.  Which is why I have no problem with gay or trans people.  I have big issues with sexualizing kids or forcing beliefs (sexual, religious, political etc) on someone else.  And that's regardless of which side it comes from.  

 

Which is again why I'm confused at the Bud Light kerfuffle.  That person just posted a promo can on their social media.  It harms nobody but Kid Rock (who's music I actually like!) decides that requires taking a rifle to Bud Light?????  And now a boycott?  Why?  What happened to live and let live?

[cubsfan]

^^^ it’s real, real simple. Bud Light insulted their customer base with disparaging remarks about them. You better listen to the interview with the VP of marketing. 
 

your little hero Dylan proports to show how “cool” it is to be trans. I don’t buy it for 1 second. 40% of transgenders attempt suicide. Do you really wish that on your family members???

 

Id say anyone that is not in favor of protecting children has no morals.

 

I want nothing to do with the KKK, Louis Farrakhan (hates whites and Jews alike) and the out of control Trans Activists movement.

Edited April 14, 2023 by cubsfan

[dwy000]

Just now, cubsfan said:

^^^ it’s real, real simple. Bud Light insulted their customer base with disparaging remarks about. You better listen to the interview with the VP of marketing. 
 

your little hero Dylan proports to show how “cool” it is to be trans. I don’t buy it for 1 second. 40% of transgenders attempt suicide. Do you really that on your family members???

 

Id say anyone that is not in favor of protecting children has no morals.

 

I want nothing to do with the KKK, Louis Farrakhan (hates whites and Jews alike) and the out of control Trans Activists movement.

Bud Light insulting their customer base and giving a promo can to an influencer are two different things.  The backlash is firmly directed at the promo can not the insults of frat boys.

 

Nobody "chooses" to be gay or trans over a natural inclination to be straight because it's cool.  It's not like being a vegan. The fact that suicide rates are higher amongst trans doesn't mean the answer is to tell them not to be who they are.  It's because society is not accepting of it.  That same study indicated that 1/3 of those were rejected by their families for being trans.

 

I'm firmly in favor of protecting children.  And that means that if my kid ends up being gay or trans they know that I will still love them and not make them feel like a freak for it.  

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

When you combine it as a one issue, the common thread is not liking gay people.  You need to look at each issue independently.

 

I completely agree that trans females shouldn't play sports against other females.  That's just fair and common sense and will sort itself out (with a lot of noise).

 

I don't know what "teaching" trans in class is or who is doing it.  Acknowledging that gay people exist and that you aren't a deviant for having feelings towards your own gender seems more healthy than denying it.  You can't "teach" people to be gay.  And you certainly can't "teach" them to be trans.  They're going to be what they are regardless of what gets taught in school and it's just a question. Of whether you want them to hate themselves or not. 

 

Surgery shouldn't be allowed until over 16. But it's WAY blown out of proportion for the numbers. It's not like thousands of straight kids are being forced to convert and indoctrinated (like say...in Sunday school).

 

dwy, I cannot speak to everyone, but I think you are far off the mark if you think it is not liking gay people.

 

A growing number of homosexual have issues with the transgender movement.   They argue that the transgender movement pushes people to question if they are actually gay but instead born in the wrong body.  They consider it damaging to their rights as homosexuals and medically damaging for many young homosexuals.  For example:  LGB Alliance (@AllianceLGB) / Twitter 

 

In the UK the Tavistock gender clinic was investigated and ordered to close down by the Government.  Puberty blockers were given to children from aged 9 years old, and the treatment given to them was ruled to have failed to consider alternative issues, such as a high correlation with autism: NHS to close Tavistock child gender identity clinic - BBC News 

 

I'm sure part of the rise of trans people is social acceptance, but there is no way the meteoric rise in the number identifying as trans is down just to social acceptance.  It's now trendy and a way to get attention - even some trans people think this.

 

Bill Maher recently did a skit on the transgender movement and questioned some of the trends and interventions:

New Rule: Along for the Pride | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Sweet

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, Sweet said:

 

dwy, I cannot speak to everyone, but I think you are far off the mark if you think it is not liking gay people.

 

A growing number of homosexual have issues with the transgender movement.   They argue that the transgender movement pushes people to question if they are actually gay but instead born in the wrong body.  They consider it damaging to their rights as homosexuals and medically damaging for many young homosexuals.  For example:  LGB Alliance (@AllianceLGB) / Twitter 

 

In the UK the gender Tavistock clinic was investigated and ordered to close down by the Government.  Puberty blockers were given to children from aged 9 years old, and the treatment given to them was ruled to have failed to consider alternative issues, such as a high correlation with autism: NHS to close Tavistock child gender identity clinic - BBC News 

 

I'm sure part of the rise of trans people is social acceptance, but there is no way the meteoric rise in the number identifying as trans is down to social acceptance.  It's now trendy and a way to get attention.  Even some trans people think this.

 

Bill Maher who recently did a skit on the transgender movement and questioned some of the trends and interventions:

New Rule: Along for the Pride | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube

 

I don't disagree with this.  Anything non-conforming is going to be adopted by youth movements and the more traditional society hates it the cooler it becomes.   Then there's the "experimental" factor in youths.  Heck, if every girl who experimented with another girl in college was shunned, Vassar would close down.  Remember when tattoos were extreme and alternative? And that darn rock and roll music!  It's when something becomes completely accepted by society that youth moves on to the next thing.  They just love to shock. 

 

But shocking your parents and actually being trans are two different things.  I strongly doubt anyone is getting gender reassignment surgery just to be cool.  And ironically, the more accepting society becomes of it, the less alternative and cool it becomes.  

[cubsfan]

^^^ again you just ignore the obvious facts. Trans people are extremely prone to suicide, yet we should continue to lie to them that they can become a man or woman if they like. Yet when they discover it’s not true - they spiral down and kill themselves.

good luck as a parent watching it all unfold. 
 

how foolish “society is not accepting of this”. No - society doesn’t BELIEVE it. You’re just pushing a highly dangerous ideology on US - when we call BULLSHIT on you - you say we hate transgenders!

 

Gender Dysphoria is a REAL psychological disorder - and few people really have it. Many adolescents, especially young girls, believe they have it - and do incredible damage to themselves.

Schools do nothing but indoctrinate kids that their gender is totally fluid and can be easily accommodated if they wish to do so. 
 

This is dangerous and it’s evil for the vast majority of adolescents.

[Sweet]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

I don't disagree with this.  Anything non-conforming is going to be adopted by youth movements and the more traditional society hates it the cooler it becomes.   Then there's the "experimental" factor in youths.  Heck, if every girl who experimented with another girl in college was shunned, Vassar would close down.  Remember when tattoos were extreme and alternative? And that darn rock and roll music!  It's when something becomes completely accepted by society that youth moves on to the next thing.  They just love to shock. 

 

But shocking your parents and actually being trans are two different things.  I strongly doubt anyone is getting gender reassignment surgery just to be cool.  And ironically, the more accepting society becomes of it, the less alternative and cool it becomes.  

 

Trouble is though dwy is that in the UK at least, treatment at the Tavistock gender clinic was very often affirming and uncritical.  I'll not rehash the story, but you can read about it here:

‘A contentious place’: the inside story of Tavistock’s NHS gender identity clinic | Transgender | The Guardian

 

At root of the trans issue is that its not scientifically accurate to say you can be born in the wrong body, or you can change your sex.  This matters, for example, medical care is tailor around biological sex.

 

I want it kept away from my own children.

[dwy000]

5 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ again you just ignore the obvious facts. Trans people are extremely prone to suicide, yet we should continue to lie to them that they can become a man or woman if they like. Yet when they discover it’s not true - they spiral down and kill themselves.

good luck as a parent watching it all unfold. 
 

how foolish “society is not accepting of this”. No - society doesn’t BELIEVE it. You’re just pushing a highly dangerous ideology on US - when we call BULLSHIT on you - you say we hate transgenders!

 

Gender Dysphoria is a REAL psychological disorder - and few people really have it. Many adolescents, especially young girls, believe they have it - and do incredible damage to themselves.

Schools do nothing but indoctrinate kids that their gender is totally fluid and can be easily accommodated if they wish to do so. 
 

This is dangerous and it’s evil for the vast majority of adolescents.

The group pointed to stress from being a minority group with related discrimination, bullying and non acceptance as the reason for the high suicide attempt rate, not from dissatisfaction with their ability to be a man or woman.  

 

I want kids to feel accepted and normal regardless of who they are.  Not told they are freaks and rejected by both society and their families and driven to suicide because of who they are.  

 

What happened to your live and let live from a couple of posts ago?  

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Sweet said:

 

Trouble is though dwy is that in the UK at least, treatment at the Tavistock gender clinic was very often affirming and uncritical.  I'll not rehash the story, but you can read about it here:

‘A contentious place’: the inside story of Tavistock’s NHS gender identity clinic | Transgender | The Guardian

 

At root of the trans issue is that its not scientifically accurate to say you can be born in the wrong body, or you can change your sex.  This matters, for example, medical care is tailor around biological sex.

 

I want it kept away from my own children.

And i've stated multiple times that I agree gender reassignment surgery should wait until your older.  No issue with that.