If American - which presidential candidate will you vote for? (Oct. Edition)

[cwericb]

Well I guess if you do everything in your power to alienate and insult the press, if you refer to them as the scum of the earth, insult them at every opportunity, you use them and lie to them, then perhaps, just perhaps they might not continue the same adulation they showed you in the past.

 

Remember, it was the press that made Trump a media darling. It was the press that built the Trump image and gave him the podium that he used to start his presidential run. If you turn on them because of an inflated ego that cannot tolerate criticism, then why would you expect the press to continue to build your image? Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[rkbabang]

Both candidates seem corrupt, so which candidate do board members believe is the least likely to lead us (drag us, push us, trick us...) into war?  I ask because I have two sons who are of draft age (yes, I know there's no draft).  This issue might be what decides my vote.

 

In order from least likely to lead us into a major war to most likely: Stein, Johnson, Trump, Hillary.

 

That is also the same order for least likely to win to most likely.

rkbababg, I know we've tangled on topics before and that our ideologies and ways of looking on things are different. Still I like reading your posts because you don't seem to have a problem with facts unlike others. So I'd like to hear your thoughts on this issue.

 

You have put Trump as less likely to start a major war than Clinton. Others here have expressed similar opinions of Trump the pacifist. Well if Trump is such a pacifist and unlikely to start major wars why is he constantly talking about investing in and expanding the military? The US military is already by far the biggest, most effective, rock out, death and destruction machine ever known to mankind. It already dominates the world. It is surely way too large already  to just protect the United States without massive force projection abroad. So if Trump as president wants to retreat from the world militarily and is not looking to start major wars, why does he need to expand the military?

 

Thanks.  I don't think Trump is a pacifist by any means.  Just like the 4 presidents preceding him he will continue the bombing in the middle east and likely expand it.  He is running as a Republican and to get his base out to vote he has to talk strong pro military, that is what the hard core flag waving religious conservatives want to hear.  What worries me about Hillary is that she doesn't have to talk pro-military for her base to get out and vote, Obama ran on peace in 2008 and the left was ecstatic, yet she is solidly pro-war and always has been.  Her handling of Libya was horrific and her glee over it “We Came, We Saw, He Died” is barbaric.  This is not a good person. She is a power hungry monster with absolutely no human empathy.  The other thing that scares me is how antagonistic she is about Russia and China.  These are the countries we do NOT want to go to war with, and I think we are more likely to do so with her in the Oval Office.  I don't think Trump will go out of his way to poke the bear where Hillary will.

 

These are just my opinions so take that for what that is worth.

 

[vox]

It is not a question about favoring but a question of honesty.  The press does not have any more right to give wrong information to favor a candidate than a doctor treats a patient on how much they like the person. 

 

I came to know about Border Patrol Agents union endorsing trump through a speech of Trump.  I came to know of National Immigration Officers Union and many police fraternies endorsing Trump during debates.  Are these endorsements not important when Immigration and National law & order is an important issue in the election. This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/30/472420387/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/retired-ny-police-group-endorses-donald-trump-article-1.2604861

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/03/30/border-patrol-agents-union-endorses-trump/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-border-agents-endorsement-wall-000000406.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/national-border-patrol-council-endorses-trump/476091/

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trumps-law-order-talk-wins-over-largest-u-s-police-n649726

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/04/13/el-paso-border-patrol-union-votes-back-trump/82969472/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-border-patrol-trump-20160511-snap-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/16/us/fraternal-order-of-police-to-endorse-clinton.html

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/nations-biggest-police-union-endorses-trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-1474052253-htmlstory.html

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2016/09/26/us/26reuters-usa-election-trump-immigration.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-09-26/immigration-union-ice-backs-trump-for-president-trump-campaign

[DTEJD1997]

Hey all:

 

Has anybody been paying attention to what is happening in Syria?

 

There was an incredibly illuminating and alarming segment on the John Batchelor show the other night.

 

Obama appears to be flailing around in the deep end of the pool, and we are close to risking war with Russia.  Hillary appears to be on board with perpetuating what is currently going on.

 

What is so crazy, is that the USA appears to be on the wrong end of this one.

 

What interest do we have in Syria?  What interest do we have in helping ISIS & other terrorists?  Why risk war with Russia? 

 

 

[cwericb]

It is not a question about favoring but a question of honesty.  The press does not have any more right to give wrong information to favor a candidate than a doctor treats a patient on how much they like the person. 

 

I came to know about Border Patrol Agents union endorsing trump through a speech of Trump.  I came to know of National Immigration Officers Union and many police fraternies endorsing Trump during debates.  Are these endorsements not important when Immigration and National law & order is an important issue in the election. This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/30/472420387/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/retired-ny-police-group-endorses-donald-trump-article-1.2604861

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/03/30/border-patrol-agents-union-endorses-trump/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-border-agents-endorsement-wall-000000406.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/national-border-patrol-council-endorses-trump/476091/

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trumps-law-order-talk-wins-over-largest-u-s-police-n649726

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/04/13/el-paso-border-patrol-union-votes-back-trump/82969472/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-border-patrol-trump-20160511-snap-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/16/us/fraternal-order-of-police-to-endorse-clinton.html

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/nations-biggest-police-union-endorses-trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-1474052253-htmlstory.html

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2016/09/26/us/26reuters-usa-election-trump-immigration.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-09-26/immigration-union-ice-backs-trump-for-president-trump-campaign

 

Some only see what they want to see and that seems to be a common thread among Trump supporters.

 

I believe they feel that Trump is the underdog and it is human nature to want to see the underdog put it to the establishment. I would normally feel the same way, but from what I have seen of the man's character (or lack thereof) it would be impossible to support Trump.

[Investor20]

It is not a question about favoring but a question of honesty.  The press does not have any more right to give wrong information to favor a candidate than a doctor treats a patient on how much they like the person. 

 

I came to know about Border Patrol Agents union endorsing trump through a speech of Trump.  I came to know of National Immigration Officers Union and many police fraternies endorsing Trump during debates.  Are these endorsements not important when Immigration and National law & order is an important issue in the election. This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/30/472420387/border-patrol-union-endorses-donald-trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/retired-ny-police-group-endorses-donald-trump-article-1.2604861

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/03/30/border-patrol-agents-union-endorses-trump/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-border-agents-endorsement-wall-000000406.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/national-border-patrol-council-endorses-trump/476091/

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trumps-law-order-talk-wins-over-largest-u-s-police-n649726

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/04/13/el-paso-border-patrol-union-votes-back-trump/82969472/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-border-patrol-trump-20160511-snap-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/16/us/fraternal-order-of-police-to-endorse-clinton.html

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/nations-biggest-police-union-endorses-trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-1474052253-htmlstory.html

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2016/09/26/us/26reuters-usa-election-trump-immigration.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-09-26/immigration-union-ice-backs-trump-for-president-trump-campaign

 

Some only see what they want to see and that seems to be a common thread among Trump supporters.

 

I believe they feel that Trump is the underdog and it is human nature to want to see the underdog put it to the establishment. I would normally feel the same way, but from what I have seen of the man's character (or lack thereof) it would be impossible to support Trump.

 

I never said it is not reported.  I said, I did not come to know of it like many other things like Trump protests (or even fake protests) or what he said about a girl etc.  It is really easy to find something you already know of.  That is different from press high lighting and putting it on headlines.  An exampe:  There were drug shortages for a long time now and even rationing.  But many are surprised when I say it. But here it is.  Why can I find and not others?  I knew it and looked for it.  There is a big difference.

 

Such shortages are the new normal in American medicine. But the rationing that results has been largely hidden from patients and the public.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/drug-shortages-forcing-hard-decisions-on-rationing-treatments.html?_r=0

[LC]

I never said it is not reported.  I said, I did not come to know of it like many other things like Trump protests (or even fake protests) or what he said about a girl etc.

 

I came to know about Border Patrol Agents union endorsing trump through a speech of Trump.  I came to know of National Immigration Officers Union and many police fraternies endorsing Trump during debates.  Are these endorsements not important when Immigration and National law & order is an important issue in the election. This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. 

 

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[Investor20]

I never said it is not reported.  I said, I did not come to know of it like many other things like Trump protests (or even fake protests) or what he said about a girl etc.

 

I came to know about Border Patrol Agents union endorsing trump through a speech of Trump.  I came to know of National Immigration Officers Union and many police fraternies endorsing Trump during debates.  Are these endorsements not important when Immigration and National law & order is an important issue in the election. This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. 

 

::)

 

Yes effectively, to the extent a person like me who happens to follow news regularly was not aware of it. For example did you know about the below news reported in NYtimes? It is in above article I linked.

 

"Those who do not get the once-standard treatment at the clinic, the nation’s largest cardiac center, are not told. “The patient is asleep,” he said. “The family never knows about it.”

[cwericb]

"This is a black out of any positive news about Trump. "

 

Gimme a break. There is little positive about the guy for starters. Secondly, nearly every time he opens his mouth it's either an obvious lie or some outrageous accusation. Seems his paranoia is spreading to some of his supporters.

 

And he keeps spouting off about "Crooked Hillary".  This from a man that hides behind an audit for refusing to release his taxes, who is being investigated for fraud with Trump University, who has donated nothing to his own foundation and is being investigated for his misuse of the foundation's funds.

 

 

[rkbabang]

Why risk war with Russia? 

 

This is exactly the question Obama and Clinton supporters are pretending not to hear.  I don't see it answered anywhere.  Hillary made a lot of hay over Trump supposedly being cozy with Putin, but no one is saying anything about the Democrats playing with nuclear war.

I don't think this is a small issue.  It is the largest of issues possible.  I don't care if Trump is a racist asshole who hates trade and immigration and gays and wants to do all kinds of primitive conservative nonsense.  Why do the democrats want war with Russia?  Why poke the bear?  Especially when it has a nuclear arsenal?

 

Not really expecting an answer. Feel free to ignore this as usual.  Counter that Trump says mean things, he's not well spoken, wants to build a rediculous wall, called Rosie fat, has no character, blah, blah, blah.  So I'll give you my opinion.  Another cold war bringing us right to the brink of nuclear holocaust is exactly what the military industrial complex wants right now.  There is already a tremendous amount being spent on the military and even the usually sleeping public is starting to notice.  The war on terror isn't cutting it anymore, something huge is going to have to happen for that spending to grow in any substantial way from here.  Hillary IS the military industrial complex candidate and Obama is towing the line as well.

 

[Liberty]

Watch the video. Classy..  ::)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

[DCG]

This should be the nail in the coffin of his trainwreck of a campaign, but nothing he says seems to deter his supporters, so who knows at this point.

 

Seems tough to win an election without a single woman vote.

[RichardGibbons]

Why risk war with Russia? 

 

This is exactly the question Obama and Clinton supporters are pretending not to hear.  I don't see it answered anywhere.  Hillary made a lot of hay over Trump supposedly being cozy with Putin, but no one is saying anything about the Democrats playing with nuclear war.

 

Yeah, the question is being ignored.

 

I think that's because Obama's pretty bright and nobody thoughtful sincerely believes he's likely to start a nuclear war with Russia.  Plus, Americans in general don't seem to care much about foreign policy.

[rb]

Watch the video. Classy..  ::)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

I'm looking forward to see the evangelicals try to justify voting for Trump anyway, cause you know ..... family values.

[Liberty]

And this made this article be published early:

 

http://nyti.ms/2dLMFdJ

 

We're posting my Sunday column early: It recounts how Trump forced himself on a young woman--in Ivanka's bedroom

 

[rb]

I'm looking forward to see the evangelicals try to justify voting for Trump anyway, cause you know ..... family values.

Nevermind,

 

“I think it will have little or no impact. People of faith are voting on issues like who will protect unborn life, defend religious freedom, grow the economy, appoint conservative judges and oppose the Iran nuclear deal,” said Ralph Reed, the founder and chairman of the Faith & Freedom Coalition and a Trump supporter. “In their hierarchy of concerns, an eleven-year-old tape of a private conversation with a talk show host on a tour bus ranks very low.”

 

Sure, we're all for family values, but grabbing women by the pussy, commiting sexual assault, and trying to fuck married women is ok as long as you appoint conservative judges. You know, family values. What a joke!

[valcont]

On the brighter side , he gained Bill Cosby's vote.

 

Its hilarious watching Fox news trying to balance this story with the wikileaks "scandal". Hannity , the lap dog, is growling about Bill Clinton's past.

 

And his supporters wonder why they are called deplorable.

[rb]

Actually I think I understand why Fox wants Trump to win and I don't think that it has anything to do with ideology. Fox's stock price is inversely related to Trump's poll numbers. Like it or not Trump has a huge base which are currently Fox consumers. If Trump wins he goes to become president and play with the world. If Trump looses and starts a media company he will unleash a large value destruction on Fox. From what I can tell he has all the right ingredients to start a right/alt-right media company: Trump's large base of devotees, Steve Bannon, Roger Ailes.

[EliG]

This thread

 

https://twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/784541062119456769

[DTEJD1997]

Oh my goodness, Trump said something off color about women!  Bring me my fainting couch & smelling salts. 

 

Perhaps his inspiration was Bill Clinton.

 

I doubt very much this is going to change anybody's mind...

[valcont]

Actually I think I understand why Fox wants Trump to win and I don't think that it has anything to do with ideology. Fox's stock price is inversely related to Trump's poll numbers. Like it or not Trump has a huge base which are currently Fox consumers. If Trump wins he goes to become president and play with the world. If Trump looses and starts a media company he will unleash a large value destruction on Fox. From what I can tell he has all the right ingredients to start a right/alt-right media company: Trump's large base of devotees, Steve Bannon, Roger Ailes.

 

That's a good point. Trump loves television and would love to have one of his own. All these kooks who support him will happily switch.

[EliG]

Oh my goodness, Trump said something off color about women!

 

Not quite. He bragged about committing sexual assault.

[valcont]

This thread

 

https://twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/784541062119456769

 

Oh man. This is really heartbreaking. I couldn't read it after a while. We have to be honest, all of us have talked/listened to crap like this but I or most of the guys that I know have never tried to force themselves or took advantage of women. Maybe its an age issue and the older men feel they can get away with it. i don't know. But this needs to change. 

[rb]

I'm curious what Mike Pence has to say about this. You know the guy who's a christian/conservative/republican in that order.

 

Because we all know what christianity says: "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shall grab her by the pussy!" I get the feeling Pence's identity order is about to get rearranged.

[valcont]

"Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shall grab her by the pussy!"

 

I shouldn't but I cracked up reading this.