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@Dalal Which country should we be looking at on how to handle this issue? Finland who has the lowest flu death rate of any country has 6 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 130 people recently in quarantine who were in contact with the original 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Finland List of every country with COVID-19 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/locations-confirmed-cases.html Fact is there is nothing any country can do. This is the flu on steroids and no modern country has been able to eradicated influenza. Even Finland suffered a flu epidemic in 2018. The fact is, this thing is going to run its course globally and there isn't a damn thing any government or healthcare system will be able to do about it.

Can anyone speak to the differences of how information is being spread now vs when SARS occurred? Social media certainly has changed the efficiency, amount, and lifecycle if news. But our (societies) appetite and demand for instant information has also changed and could be skewing (how much is or isn’t being withheld) this to an extent. Clearly information is being withheld, but how do we know info wasn’t being withheld in the past and it simply wasn’t made known that govt was doing this in the past? There is clearly pros and cons to both sides of the argument. As Greg said it’s a fine line to walk.

Michter's US*1 Kentucky Straight Rye Picked up a bottle this weekend. Worth a try if you like Rye.

By far the most level headed logical approach to this situation. Castanza, "Level headed" ? - Please look at the "/6" and read it again. Basically all countermeasures to contain this thing are now enabled. It's BS. Level headed as in not inducing panic. The facts we have are the facts we have. Speculation to the extreme doesn’t solve anything. I’m not saying this guy is 100% correct in his analysis. One thing I have learned in financial markets is that you want to panic before everyone else does. ??? Lol fair enough. But I would say being prepared is different than panicking.

By far the most level headed logical approach to this situation. Castanza, "Level headed" ? - Please look at the "/6" and read it again. Basically all countermeasures to contain this thing are now enabled. It's BS. Level headed as in not inducing panic. The facts we have are the facts we have. Speculation to the extreme doesn’t solve anything. I’m not saying this guy is 100% correct in his analysis.

By far the most level headed logical approach to this situation.

Dalal.Holdings, My point is merely, that every health care system in situations like this will eventually fail, if it's not saturated [by setup & design] by personal integrity, professionalism [professional independence [ <- ? ]] & intellectual honesty. I agree I doubt there are any healthcare systems designed to handle pandemic type events. I’d imagine if you go to Canada and US hospitals you will see layouts and bed capacities designed for average capacity. There are zero hospitals out there with 6k empty beds... Also, what country was prepared for this? You can certainly make the argument that the CDC should have had more funding etc. But the fact is countries are dealing with the unknown. Even if we look at flu vaccines, they are predominantly synthesized from the previous strain. That’s partly why they are only 50% effective for healthy individuals (according to the CDC). A covid-19 vaccine is unlikely to produce better results. Many experts have already said that this is impossible to contain on a GLOBAL scale. So to Dala’s point I think it’s ignorant to blame any individual healthcare system. On the US system I think the biggest issue is from HMB 1973 when insurance was tied to employers and only employers could claim tax deductions for costs. Add in the lawsuit aspects and your looking at massive cost inflation. Over testing as a result of lawsuit threats is an issue as well. My wife just gave me an example of a a baby she has been working with. It is being kept alive purely by machines. The vowels are completely dead and it has many other developmental issues. It’s been hospitalized for almost 200 days and probably won’t make it much longer. The parents are almost completely absent yet request the best treatment. The baby happens to be blind as well. So the hospital, wanting to avoid lawsuits had to provide corrective surgery to attempt to reverse the blindness. It was probably extremely expensive but if they didn’t, the parents would likely be able to sue on the grounds that they didn’t provide care to the furthest extent. Healthcare in the US is riddled with this kind of stuff. Anyways that’s far enough off topic.

What exactly is the draw to this particular nursing school (both from an investment and education perspective). What do they do that is so special? Nursing schools seem to be a dime a dozen. There are multiple schools in almost every metropolitan area. If you go to the local hospitals you will find the nursing staff is often highly comprised of local graduates who have done their precept there.

That’s a pretty interesting perspective. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate “Less deadly than SARS but more transmissible.” “Most cases are mild” For the most part, the only individuals dying from this are ones who are already critically ill or have some type of a respiratory or possibly cardiovascular issues.

I don’t get why people like Lagavulin. I had one bottle. My friend said it tastes like old socks. Lol You either enjoy the grass or it tastes like ass. I’m sure the premium you pay adds to the flavor profile :P

Nice, I have a few 1875s I’ve been aging for a year.

I’ve yet to try that. My friend’s (lives in Louisville) wife is doing some type of design work at Heaven Hill Distillery. Hoping to score a bottle off him, but I’m doubtful to say the least haha

Toured their Grand Rapids Brewpub a few years back...would love to make it over to Holland eventually.

I feel that every good forum needs a thread focused on your vice of choice. What better time to start a thread than during a potential crisis? COVID-19 turns out to be the beginning of the apocalypse. You are packing the family car to head for the hills and your wife tells you there isn't enough room for the whole liquor cabinet you were trying to stash under the rear seat. You have enough room for 1 bottle.... What are you drinking (smoking works too for the cigar aficionados)? Me: Lagavulin 16

Starter in HHC

Started a position in BRKR

I just had a limit order fill at $199.98. Crazy. Same, I wonder what Warren is looking at. Meanwhile stuff SPCE is up 5% ::) edit: Make that 9%

If we never heard of the common flu and it suddenly came on the scene society would be reacting the same. The flu vaccine is only 50-60% effective for healthy individuals 18-64. So even if we get an effective vaccine for C-19 it's probably not going to be much better than that. Unpopular opinion: And I don't want to make light of individuals deaths or sickness as it's a serious thing. But the sooner this thing hits countries like the US the quicker we understand the real numbers and the real risks.

Honestly I think you guys are overreacting. There isn’t a President past, present, nor future who wouldn’t have some type of media control. Out of fairness I agree that Pence (and Trump) probably are not the best to handle this situation. But who is? You’re dealing with the unknown and I trust Pence to punt to individuals who know what they’re doing. Donny isn’t going to take this back under his wing (until it’s almost solved and he’s looking for credit) :P Also you’re being a bit dishonest with what Pence said regarding tobacco. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pence-smoking/ Back to the corona virus....I think the key metric everyone wants to know is mortality rate...my guess is that’s driving the majority of the fear. Especially when you hear and see videos of “people being burned alive.” The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Worse than what China reported, but I’m personally doubtful of the bubonic plague hysteria. If it turns out to be as bad as some say, well I’ll be at the family cabin The Snopes article says this: Although Pence did state that “smoking doesn’t kill,” he buttressed his argument by saying that only a third of smokers died of smoking-related illnesses Similarly, using the same reasoning, it could be said that Coronavirus doesn't kill because most people survive it. And handguns don't kill because 80% of people shot by handguns survive. Anyways, Pence was appointed seemingly at the same time as Trump was contradicting the CDC on coronavirus. So it's a bad omen IMO that an official filter has been put into place (The White House). It appears to be a direct response to what the CDC said. https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/trump-gives-incoherent-briefing-on-coronavirus-contradicts-cdc-79522373801 Yes and it goes on to say Pence was using accurate statistics for the time. It also says that the article was not primarily for the discussion of whether smoking is or isn’t dangerous. Rather it was for the legality and the preservation of the freedom to choose to smoke. All I’m saying regarding Pence and Trump is give it a week or so. They haven’t even done anything yet but apparently they are doing it wrong....putting the cart before the horse. Regardless it looks like the market was wanting an excuse for a sell off. LC, Spek, and Greg hit the nail on the head in this an other threads.

Honestly I think you guys are overreacting. There isn’t a President past, present, nor future who wouldn’t have some type of media control. Out of fairness I agree that Pence (and Trump) probably are not the best to handle this situation. But who is? You’re dealing with the unknown and I trust Pence to punt to individuals who know what they’re doing. Donny isn’t going to take this back under his wing (until it’s almost solved and he’s looking for credit) :P Also you’re being a bit dishonest with what Pence said regarding tobacco. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mike-pence-smoking/ Back to the corona virus....I think the key metric everyone wants to know is mortality rate...my guess is that’s driving the majority of the fear. Especially when you hear and see videos of “people being burned alive.” The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Worse than what China reported, but I’m personally doubtful of the bubonic plague hysteria. If it turns out to be as bad as some say, well I’ll be at the family cabin

The CEO of a company isn't in the R&D lab or on the factory floor or doing sales call or doing building maintenance (most of the time) either, but do you think it doesn't matter who the one making the decisions, picking the team and allocating resources is? Behind the scenes Expert: "We have been seeing success with this testing. Statistics show that this is the best course of action and we need resources." Trump: "Name your price." Press Conference Trump: "I with my great intellect have decided to allocate this specific amount of funds to this expert for the study I found most compelling. I believe they are the best for the job. We have the best here in America. The vaccine is going to be hugeee." Also Trump is about the biggest germaphobe the world has ever seen. I'm surprised he isn't walking around like bubble boy yet. :P

Trump doesn't need Pence for that. He has the best knowledge of science. Trump University > MIT ;D

Why is everyone on here acting like Pence and Trump are in the lab trying to synthesize the vaccine on their own ;D

Sold 20% of my SPCE puts locking in 67% gain.

It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I mean a brief look at China's past will show many sick things done to their own populations. But conspiracy theories are often a bunch of conjecture and convenient motives, outcomes, and boogiemen being strung together. But I will say this......those Hong Kong protests have basically halted.