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100%. NYT was dead until he got elected in 2016 and then plummeted when he left office with the narrative being he was done with politics. As it became apparent his comeback had legs, the stock recovered. NYT basically needs Trumps media circus. Ironically, it’s monetizing its deranged and obsessed Trump hater base like a drug dealer sells to junkies.

So this whole thing is over semantics? Nice

Ignore him. He is a pompous windbag. But....clearly falls short of the gold standard that is The NY Times. After all, nothing says gold standard like internal higher ups admitting they knew Biden was toast but refused to report on it because they had a "duty" to keep Trump out of office LOL

Nice. So basically unless it’s a statement conforming to our pre existing narratives, it’s utter bullshit and must be ignored!

It’s both stunning, and amusing. I’ve frankly never seen something so simple cause such a widespread cognitive collapse over stuff that really is not all that hard to see accurately. Trying to put myself in their obsessed and deranged shoes; we’ll say we get some lib running for office who says their plan is to “tax us to death”…. My reaction(such as when Biden had these plans) would be to assume taxes were likely to go up. Go up somewhat, but not a foundation shattering amount. Nor would I actually believe that this guy was, word for word, actually going to try to kill me lol…I’d also have in my potential scenario bucket, based on experience, that nothing would happen, because often politicians just say shit, and often, even if they wish to do something, they don’t have the ability to do it on their own. This is generally how I approach political situations, whether I agree with them, or not. These loonie fuckers? First they’d claim this theoretical politician is Hitler because he’s outright “threatening to kill people via taxation” and demand everyone be outraged. Then they would make up even more extreme shit about how if he’s threatening to kill people like that, well he’s obviously only just getting started and willing to cross other lines too. Then when only modest tax increases occurred, or nothing happened, they’d go “ah, he’s so stupid and couldn’t even get the basics done; he “chickened out”. And then some others would even go “ah hah! He’s a fuckin pathological liar because he never killed anybody!!!”…. Its an interesting disease for sure.

100%. US wanted to negotiate with Iran re nukes. Israel saw an opening to attack. Trump said 2 weeks to negotiate and dropped bombs two days later. Shortly thereafter a ceasefire. Don’t really give a shit about the adjectives or conspiracy theories and somehow without the golden standard of journalism, The NY Times, I was able to locate the relevant facts. Imagine that?

Derangement= spending all this time disputing an adjective, also previously seen as calling a negotiation “lying”. Looking forward to what humor tomorrow brings. Perhaps Trump will mention oil prices have “plummeted” and you guys will spend days quoting NY Times and the Economist about how the current decline only counts as a technical “pullback” and thus he s lying through his teeth again lol I also love the sleight of hand. Seems like just yesterday(it was) where we were chomping at the bit to “get him” over the false ceasefire….egg on the face and of course now we revert back to last weekends war on adjectives…

Imagined being so consumed(TDS) with some arbitrary personal victory over some politician that you spend all this time disputing the use of a single adjective! And yes, now we re getting the game. CNN quoting NYT, probably MSBNC too at some point; how original? What’s next an impeachment call? Where have we seen that before? Seems like just yesterday you guys had them pollsters telling you sweet daily “we got hims” and that Bob Mullers Russia report was going to be the nail in the coffin! God bless

How’s your news sources working for you?

Because you cited the New York Times and WAPO as news sources which are two junklets that have become completely overrun with opinion and agenda infused presentations of “news” and “facts”…but I guess that confusion is why…TAFFI

So for instance Liberation Day I just needed to see a picture, X, CNBC or whatever of Trump with the chart…to know what was going on based on past shenanigans and have an understanding about how each news source, such as NYT(which obsessed over the story because that’s what gold standards these days do) and knew the outcome and how to play it…and that worked out way better than the people with all the “sources” and daily prognostications and all that bullshit.

Yes, scroll through everything. If I can’t do that I see zero if not negative value in just routinely heading to a dump like NYT. If I had to pick one or two though, Bloomberg and WSJ would be what you describe “gold standard” to be. Although I also think “having” to call something a gold standard is shortsighted because again look at what’s become of these slack houses? NYT is literally just a bunch of woke queens with an anti Trump agenda. WAPO has improved since Bezos took over but still too early to be deemed reliable. Stuff like CNN, FOX, NBC, non starters. The only place I’ve found consistently reporting everything is NY Post(for instance your bunker buster story NYP today has duel headlines about how much damage and how little damage was done)…but it’s more of an aggregator and still has way too much “see which Real Housewife got a tit job” content. News has been degraded into entertainment and agenda spreading crap designed to feed people’s needs to have “wins” and “gotchas”, I don’t need that stuff I just need the variables that allow me to invest productively.

The other thing I’d say is that I’m not really invested or emotionally in need of an “exact victory” the way you “need to get Trump” guys are. I can see 6 different stories all generally detailing an event with whatever slants they want and roundaboutly arrive at the place I need to be to produce a general conclusion relevant for investing. You guys my god, desperately need to fill these exact narratives you thirst for on a regular basis and just become relentlessly obsessed with backfilling them however you need to. It’s amusing to watch but must be difficult having such a pointless occupation!

Yep. The other gold standard Change mentioned, Washington Post, had droves of people resigning in fury after a declaration from the owner to start being more neutral and less biased lol. Gold standard tho!

I know right. Didn’t the establishment award them some kind of prize for their Russiagate report too? Hearing what you like to hear is damn attractive tho

You’ve gotta rely on putting everything together and weighing each situation. Critical thinking. Not much value in shortcuts. But it’s downright scary people may think NYT is the gold standard given their history the past decade and even outright boasts and declarations of an agenda from the higher ranks there.

Yea, NYT generally pushes those same narratives. Gold standard in journalism? Lmfao

LOL you do realize that there's literally reports everywhere, from many different sources, stating everything from "nothing happened" to "the sites are destroyed", with many in between at "set the program back a good bit"...glad you found the one that fits the narrative you always run with!

Yea, it was floated by democrats during election year to solve the problem they created, the problem in fact, that they basically ran on; remember Joe running on open borders and the surge of migration post his inauguration? So sure, it was scuttled by Republicans, but that’s the game and I’d have more sympathy if the resolution was genuine but creating a problem and then solving it at the last minute so you can claim some victory ahead of elections is bs.

Where’s yours from? Do you think lounging in academia gives one credibility?

Well if you can point towards price instability/inflation that’s plaguing us go for it. Instead every Q Jerry’s got a new “concern”;(not dissimilar from people who are always afraid the end of the world is just round the corner) the latest being that now he’s essentially equating future inflation concerns with screen staring at oil prices. Tariffs were a dud for him, another failed forecast. And all that continues to prop up the backwards looking CPI stuff is housing, which is elevated because of ….drumroll, higher rates.

Nice, so we're already hard at work looking for and hoping there's no ceasefire, so we can satisfy our daily itch to "get Trump"...

Nah we need to wait for the “experts” to come in and micro analyze how this isn’t actually a deal and everything is idiotic and how Trump is really just soooo stooopid.

NYT has easily taken the biggest cliff dive over the past two decades or so. It went from well rounded but center left to full blown propaganda pushing outlet that almost weaponizes its once credible reputation.

Eh Ive had good investment dialogue with everyone here including @ourkid8 over the years and I think perhaps emotions are high and everyone would benefit from chilling out. There's no winners in these situations and playing a bit of devils advocate, I dont think many Americans(myself included) even if they wanted to, can fully appreciate the Middle East dynamics. American culture basically promotes the idea that there is nothing good about the Middle East, especially Iran. I have no personal experience to confirm or deny that notion, but I dont think it's fair to just basketize good vs evil.