John Hjorth

Ref. the question from racemize earlier in this topic, I have to step forward - in embarassment - because I asked my self the same question about 4 - 5 years ago - and ended up stuck on the question. Then, I found This, now even older, Gurufocus article: Lessons From Warren Buffett’s Personal Portfolio [2010.05.25]. The basis and assumptions of the article are false. What does a - former - then younger, and brain washed - Danish CPA do here? Answer: Get a fall back, and start trying to reconcile... it all! - position by position - to test, if the basis is true!... Which it is not. Old news then still apply today. Please just take the F13/HR related to year end 2015 and try to reconcile it to AR 2015 with regard to the number of shares of KO owned by BRK. Since then, I have been stuck, with regard to the understanding of that particular column in the F13/HR. I have tried searching the edgar site, but unfortunately without luck, and ended up giving up in the end, now long time ago.

It's pretty good humor, Williams406! I think I'll start babling to the Lady of the House that we really need some airline stocks now - earlier I have told her, if I ever start babling about buying airlines stocks, she has to stop me! - And to be very persistent with regard to suggestion for alternatives! - Oslo, Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, or perhaps even Hawaii, - here we come! [i call it an "inverted Garfield" - after the Cartoon Cat Garfield] - - o 0 o - - - James, thank you for sharing BAM's remarks on cash. I have read it before a few months ago, but forgot about it. It's certainly worth a print.

I'm with no_free_luch here. To me, [by that phrase I mean: It's not for discussion on this board, how I perceive this topic], it's just [yet another] political board spam topic. Let's all go back to discuss investing.

Added a bit to SCHO.CPH today.

Perhaps you should ask this question to couple CEOs who post on this thread. ;D Edit: Although we are all "grown ups" here, IMHO, political threads are toxic for communities like this. I've seen investment communities destroyed by political threads before. I have asked Sanjeev to consider not allowing political threads. His choice was to allow them ... and I respect it. But, yeah, political threads are mostly a sewer and your comments/questions are well given. Peace. Jurgis, Thanks, and peace, taken with a *high five*.

All participants in this topic, I suppose you aren't all invested in cash or cash equivalents, with no intention to change that [meaning: If so, why are you even a board member here?]. A fellow baord member posted a few days ago, that this board has turned from an investing board to a political board. It's certainly not for me to decide what to post on this board - the board as set up by Sanjeev many years ago contains a lot of freedom for board members with regard to posting. Sanjeev asked two very specific questions as the OP in this topic, which were clearly investment related, -however, to some extent, political. In some of the last posts in this topic I now read things about China many years ago ... - - - o 0 o - - - In short : Not trying to be condecending here, or even patronizing ... - but don't you - as investor - have anythings else to do? - Something that you have thought about with regard to an investment, that would be worth sharing with your fellow board members on here? As investor., there is always things to do... - the to do list is about endless, unless you suffer from investment burnout! Also, in short: You are all missed - to some extent - some more, some less - in the investment forum topics! I always appreciate investment input from fellow board members! - - - o 0 o - - - Thanks for reading my grumbling rant.

Charlie, Yes, to me also, BRK is still a buy - at these levels.

Oh, c'mon. Everybody knows that a cigar butt tastes better than McDonalds! LOLz! - +1 - The post of this month on CoBF - at least so far!

A couple of SA articles: Berkshire Hathaway Is Not Built To Last. Berkshire Hathaway: Potential For $95 Billion In Book Value Growth By Year-End 2017.

Thanks for sharing, SharperDingaan, I suppose all busts have some common traits, with minor invidual shades of differences among actual situations. For example, some Islandic bankers did not revert to their ordinary pre-crisis jobs, ref. this calculation of the size of Islandic football team . [i suppose the guy tweeting was far from impressed with the performance of the team ...].

Yesterday I tried to get some kind of understanding of the conditions then described by SharperDingaan, and I found this, from less than a year ago : National Observer : How are Alberta's "entitled" millennials dealing with the oil crash?. I was actually in some kind of state of shock after reading it. It made me remember to appreciate my personal living conditions up here in the Northern Europe.

New list: Insider Monkey: 11 Biggest Private Companies in the World. About two years old, but still better than nothing. Lot of overlaps to the Forbes list I posted earlier. New US companies not mentioned in the Forbes list: Pilot Flying J [#10 on this list]. German companies mentioned in this list: Bosch, ALDI & Lidl. - - - o 0 o - - - Thank you for adjusting my mistakes, Dynamic. It appears, I was just too lazy while posting. And good points from you in your post.

Thanks to all participants in this topic for sharing your '08 - 09' experiences in this topic. Crazy stuff to read. It's very educational. I'm just happy to read that your are all still around & kicking. Uccmal : Your post about the margin call actually made my neckline bristle. SharperDingaan : Your post in this topic is spot on. Investing = Work. StevieV : Thanks for reminding me. Personally I did not loose one dime on investing during the crisis. I lost money on everything else mentioned by you. Since the late '90's I was a 100% bond investor, investing in long term Danish morgage bonds in tax deferred accounts. Basically no work related to it, just reinvesting interest and addings every quarter. It worked quite well, based on the "no work" approach, generating an above Danish inflation return after tax - untill the long term interest rates on Danish morgage bonds tanked up to and during the crisis - so I got redeemed on just about everything, ending with a cash pile - of which I had - at that time - absolutely no clue what to do with. But I learned - the hard way - what to do with it... - absolutely not my basic intention of what I wanted to do with it! Next thing: The shit hit the fan with regard to work: I got fired, and the job market here in Denmark freezed to below zero. To keep my self afloat, I had to attack the tax deferred accounts, paying 60% tax [penalty rate about 20% for advance withdrawals]. Because of indebtness, causing negative cash flow over time. Many years ago, I had a GF [she was a blonde, DooDiligence!], and the relationship was just "Strindbersk". Her absolutely favorite comment to make me go ballistic/nuclear was : "You are soo dumb - just a highly educated idiot!". Maybe I will just give her a call tomorrow to chat. - - - o 0 o - - - The years after the crunch spent on making money, working, and getting rid of all debt, hoarding cash for investments, and hoarding credit lines - here , there and everywhere, so that it will never happen again.

jobyts, What are you going to to do, if the USD 100 K actually turns into ,- say 50 K [over 5 year time frame, as posted by you]?. Person Y would be deleted from my list of clients immediately, assessed as an idiot, taking on risk without no return. In short: 1. Make some money by investing - first 2. Think about taxation - after you have actually made some taxable money on investing.

Sanjeev, Here in Denmark, we have a saying : "Never forget the persons, who have actually helped you to make a change of your own life to the better". You are - to me - such a person, by providing this board, thereby connecting me to fellow board members - more or less with my own mindset with regard to investing - some board members totally outside my own leage. Your self sacrifacing personal nature is actually your biggest asset. At least to me, the connection to other fellow board members on this board, has made a material positive change - over the years. I wish you all the best and may your God be with you for 2017 going forward. Please don't ever forget your own personal wishes for life.

globalfinancepartners, Thanks for your post. As I have already posted, my post was based on a very rough/totally simple analysis, combined with no checks of facts anywhere, leaving room for at lot of mistakes/errors. It was just ment as a place to start. I will try to do some work on identifying relevant private German companies going forward, and I will post in this topic. - - - o 0 o - - - To me, speculation about the next BRK aquisition, is a much better exercise than just plain speculation. Let's continue "focused" BRK speculation in this topic.

Kinalberta, There is really no need to apologize for your post. : -) Personally, I consider your thoughts about this absolutely relevant. At least to me, they are. BRK is about 1/4 of porfolio on overall level, and I'm working with my own and family money. I have expressed impatience about the BRK cash pile before on this board, perhaps I should elaborate on that a bit here. It's not so much about the cash pile as such, but to me it is more about a material part of it is denominated in USD. In taxable accounts I could just exchange cash DKK for cash USD [not possible for me in tax deferred accounts], if I wanted to do that. I would never even consider to do such a thing. To me, cash is cash, and cash is in my own functional currency - absolute nothing else [otherwise it's not cash for me]. Personally I feel confident, that Mr. Buffett will remain extremely patient going forward. Mr. Buffett is damn good at it. I also feel quite confident, that the person Mr. Buffett has recommended to the BRK board as his successor possesses the same personal traits. So for me, it's like with starting merging toes with a lady of some age - you have to take the whole package - or not. I'm in - a lot - for the long run. The life expextancies of the Lady of the House and I is about 20 years. I have told her, that if something happens to me before her, and she needs to sell something, the last thing to leave the accounts at the broker is BRK. Your thoughts are a part of the whole situation about : 1. What's "the next elephant"? 1a. Will "the next elephant" be a listed company or private company? 2. Share buy backs or perhaps dividends going forward? [Personally, I certainly prefer share buy backs] 3. What about the share buy back treshold price going forward [will it stay at 1.2 x BV , or will it get a lift?]? - - - o 0 o - - - Ref. 1a above, I actually tried to do a search for large private US companies recently, and came up with this : Forbes : Largest private companies. I have made no efforts to try to find information about the financial performance [profits] of those companies, but I'm quite sure - by a rough estimate, that the profits of each company is not north the turnover. Comments: #1 Cargill: Tobacco is mentioned - No go for BRK #2 Koch Industries - Can you imagine the Koch brothers in M&A negotiations with Mr. Buffett and Mr. Munger? To me, it's a no go. #3 Albertsons - Food markets - Retailer - No go. #4 Dell - Tell me about it. #5, #6 and for that matter also #11 PwC, Deloitte & E&Y - Private national partnerships/companies [by law in most of the world], figures are just proforma world wide consolidations, this is not a legal entity as such - can't be taken over - no go. #7 Mars - Tobacco mentioned - no go. #8 Publix Super Markets - Retailer - no go. #9 Bechtel - Could be interesting - wonderful company, actually making a difference to the world - I'm pretty sure the family have no intention to sell. # 10 C&S Wholesale Grocers - Retailer, and tobacco mentioned. No go. - - - o 0 o - - - #10 on the list has a turnover of USD 30 B, according to the list. - - - o 0 o - - - My conclusion: No private US company fits the bill in a way with regard to characteristics and size in way, that it could be a relevant aquisition subject for BRK, with the aim to move the needle. To me, Marmon in '08 was the last "thing". So if not US and private, then perhaps [European or Canadian] and private? - Or listed? To me - based on the above, the next large BRK aquisition will be a listed company, bought in the next downturn, ref. Mr. Buffetts and Mr. Mungers patience.

Ref. the starting post by DooDiligence, I would certainly add [certain] banks to the list. I remember reading a shareholder letter by Mr. Dimon for JPM about the deposits of JPM during the financial crisis, which acually stayed stable during the crisis [08' letter issued in '09 or 09' letter issued in '10]. It was basically about "the safe harbour for cash" when shit hits the fan, based on the stability and solidity of the financial institution in a downturn. I also remember listening to an interview of Mr. Buffett some years ago [Mr. Buffett in a red Allen sweather], where Mr. Buffett was asked about JPM compared to WFC, where Mr. Buffett replied, that he did consider WFC a better bank compared to JPM [at that time, naturally], based on terms of deposits [thereby meaning terms of float]. To me float is just capital, that you owe somebody, but capital that you have control of, and thereby have the opportunity to work with. For my part, I have moved a lot of capital [relatively] between Santander Consumer Bank ASA and Bank Norwegian ASA during 2016 to take advantage of marginal interest rate differences in the market over time. [A few clicks on the keyboard over a couple of days - almost work free]. The cost of float for Santander Consumer Bank ASA and Bank Norwegian ASA is negative, but their interest income on what they do with the money by far more than compensate for that [if they continue to do well with their lending and do not screw up]. - - - o 0 o - - - Several Danish banks have now implemented negative cost of float for firms and companies [not private households] with excess cash over a certain limit: Danske Bank, Nordea, Spar Nord.

It's called the dynamics of life! Congrats on the family extension! Happy to see you back posting.

Isen't this the first time BHF is issuing notes in EUR? Ballinvarosig Investors, if you are in Rome right now, enjoy!

Same thing for me, with the notable exception of my parents. I know how bad they are with their money, so I made a deal with them that I would add on $100 for every $1000 they shove in their investment savings account with the caveats that they don't have the right to touch any of it until retirement (working on honor system) and I manage it for them. Doesnt stop them from running up credit/debt to buy junk in true blue collar fashion, but that would happen either way, so hopefully the egg I am growing for them will soften their landing a bit. Patmo, I certainly understand your position on this. Bjørn Wahlroos, Chairman of Sampo Plc and Nordea AB, at a speach held at the Danish Pension institution PFA on 6th May 2015, article about the speach the same day at Børsen.dk with the headline : Europe is in deep shit and people are idiots. It's actually my favorite definition of a bank! For my part: 1. My father gave me the opportunity to get an education, thereby getting a much better life than my parents. Now, I'm there for him, because he need my assistance, advice and work. In short, it's a moral & family obligation for me. And he appreciates it. That's "fee" enough for me. 2. My brothers appreciate also what I do. 3. The Lady of the House appreciates also what I do with this for her and for her - now late - mother. During the last few years she has got an understanding of how important this is for our common future. 4. To various degrees, it has created postive changes for all family members within three generations in both families. - - - o 0 o - - - All in all, it's all about if what you do makes sense or not. As a CPA I know I'm not here to handle every problem/issue out there. It does make sense to me, otherwise I would not spend time and Kjoules on it.

Thanks, Jurgis, The processing of the MIL estate going forward in the coming months is now: 1. Stopping all running costs including the rent - already done, not much. 2. Payment for the funeral of the funds set aside for that. 3. Creating the nessesary statements for probate court and the Danish IRS. 4. Payment of the inheritance tax to the Danish IRS when statements are approved by the Danish IRS of the funds set aside for that. 5. The Lady of the House will get the note with her self as debtor as inheritance outlay, together with MIL stock portfolio, thereby eliminating the liability of the balance of the interest free note in the balance sheet of the Lady of the House. 6. The cash held by the Lady of the House coming from the proceeds of the note has so far been "not to invest - allways hold as cash"-money, they will now be investable going forward, after some plan decided by the Lady of the House.

Question: How do you make money on the day you die? Answer: You die on a day, when the markets are in a short term [on the day] upward trend. [Other feasible answers may be right]. - - - o 0 o - - - Back in July 2012, when we were on vacation in Rome, we got a call from the nice neighbour of the "MIL" ["MIL" then living in her own house north of Copenhagen, called "MIL" because I'm not married to the Lady of the House]. The neighbour had found her on her patio, collapsed because of the severe heat at that time, and she had not been drinking enough.] After beeing stabilized over a longer hopital period, the Lady of the House decided it was time for "MIL" to move to a nursing home in the area, at least just for a period. Time went on, and over time it became clear, that "MIL" was actually fading in a way, that it would not be the right solution for her to move back to her own house again. In the late spring of 2013 I presented a calculation for the Lady of the House, that her mother would go broke [run out of cash] within three years, because of double housing costs, if not her house was sold. The house was put on the market in the middle of 2013, and was sold late in 2013. After backing out of some mutual funds positions and a small stock positions, and redeeming "frozen" real etate taxes in the house - for I don't know how many years - it was many - "MIL" ended up with a quite large cash pile, and no debt, in a rented small appartment at the nursing home. The Lady of the House has been managing the finances of her mother for quite some years under a general power of attorney, which contained some conditions to be complied with all time the power of attorney beeing in effect. Maximun capital allocation to securities 50 percent - blue chip stocks and bonds only. In the process of liquidating the assets of "MIL" the Lady of the House started to asking me questions about what to do with all this cash, and I intentionally posponed my answer with "one hurdle at a time". When all the cash finally was in "MIL"'s account with Danske Bank, I asked for a couple a weeks to think things trough. One evening [in December 2013, if I remember correctly] I finally "opened the ball" with a short discussion ... - and she [the Lady of the House] was totally apalled by my overall explanation: " I will strip her - rip her off - for nearly about everything, except her clothes, her jewelery, and furniture and paintings at the nursing home, beside a certain sum, which she will keep, and the most part of that you will invest in stocks." It turned out not to be the right way to start this proposal - short term, but over some time the Lady of the House left me space for some elaboration : [Please note: Here in Denmark, we have an inheritance tax of 15 percent of net worth above about DKK 0.5 M for a married couple - when the first spouse desease, you can defer the inheritance tax for the first spouse deseased. The husband of the "MIL" deseased about 22 years ago.] Here is what has happened since the end of 2013: 1. Some money was send to the two kids of the Lady of the House [or more precisely: directly to the creditors of the two kids of the Lady of the House, with one condition attached to each kid: "Don't ever indebt your self again in this way - always ask here first [, or...]" [Thereby skipping one generational haircut of 15 percent].[ Here in Denmark, you can give about DKK 60 K pr. year to the next generations without tax implications.] 2. A lawyer was asked in the end of 2013 to set up an interest free on demand note between the Lady of the House and "MIL", and material part of the cash of "MIL" was transferred to the Lady of House, and it was put as high interest rate deposit at the Danish branch of Santander Consumer Bank AS, the Danish branch of the Norwegian SAN SCF sub - later also some of those funds placed at Bank Norwegian AS [banking sub of NOFI.OS]. [Thereby avoidning 15 percent inheritance tax on the return of these funds]. 3. Based on the balance sheet of "MIL" I have calculated net worth of "MIL" at the end of 2013, and have set aside the figure in DKK for inheritance tax for her on a separate high interest account at Santander Consumer Bank AS. 4. A percentace of the net worth of "MIL" after inheritance tax was allocated to stock investment by the Lady of the House, ref, the geral power of attorney [max. 50 percent] - it ended up about 35%, which was placed at a high interest account at the SAN SCF sub, and was gradually invested in stocks over a three year average in at her brokerage account. 4. These calculations left me with a liquidity stub, to cover her crisis fund and costs connected to her death [liquidating the small rest of her assets] and funeral. The surplus above the calculation went to an on demand account at the Norwegian SAN SCF sub and Bank Norwegian. 5. All interests at the accounts of the Lady of House and "MIL" have been allocated into stock investments at the end of every year. - - - o 0 o - - - My "MIL" passed away in the morning of 2nd January, at the age of 99 years - 26th February she would have turned the corner of 100 years. This - if you think about it - very conservative - arrangement - has turned out well - the net worth of my "MIL" declining year by year well below tax free gifts to decendants, and adjusted for Danish inflation. - - - o 0 o - - - The Lady of the House is the only decendant after her parents. This is what makes this situation quite simple to navigate, based on the existing general power of attorney. - - - o 0 o - - - The "funny" thing is [here without going into details], at that time exactly the same proces took place over time with regard to my own father - with a totally parallel proces, running over the same time time span - the difference only beeing that I have three siblings instead of zero, thereby giving the opportunity reduce Danish inheritance taxes 4 four times faster compared to if there is only one descendant. What I did in the end of 2013 was to "drum" for a family meeting for discussion [and desicion] - unamiously - about what to do with my fathers cash, thereby obtaining a clear and manageable mandate. None of my 3 brothers now have bank debt [i'm the third in the row], and only one have a morgage, based on what has been done after that. [The difference here beeing my father is making the descisions himself, well aware, that physically disabled and old, he will kill himself, if he try to spend his money on "Wein, Weib und Gesang". [90 years old]. - - - o 0 o - - - To me - all in all - this MIL investing thing - is all about thinking in actual terms of permanent capital.

VRX

DooDiligence, It's explained on overall, non technical level in the 2014 "Berkshire - Past, Present and Future" Letter by Mr. Buffett, p.7, under the "stars"-break in the paragraphs about the conglomerate structure of Berkshire. It's about: 1. Taxes on dividends from wholly owned subsidiaries compared to taxes on dividends from holding fractions of listed companies in the insurance companies. There are no taxes on dividends from wholly owned subdiaries, while there are taxes on dividends from holding fractions of listed listed companies in the insurance companies, albeit the dividend tax rate on such dividends is lower than general for insurance companies in the US. 2. Joint taxation. Each wholly owned Berkshire sub does file its own tax return to the IRS, only one tax return for Berkshire as a whole is filed, for the holding company it self and all the wholly owned subs, where the taxable income is the sum of the taxable income for all those companies. The tax payable is then allocated among all those companies, based on each companys contribution to the aggregate taxable income. For example, that gives BHE an advantage with regard to solar and wind projects while applying maximum taxable depreciations, generating tax losses in the beginning of projects operational phase, with an immediate tax refund after year end on tax losses, while as a stand alone project such project would be left with a tax loss to carry forward to net out in future positive taxable incomes. At some point at the 2015 AGM, Mr. Buffett mentioned that. I don't know the exact time stamp in the video clip on YouTube from the AGM, but it is there. - - - o 0 o - - - Off topic: The only tax regime that I know of [there might be others, though] where it is actually - in reality - possible to avoid paying dividend taxes [there are some requirements for that] on dividends from listed investments is the Swedish, where tax regulations about "investment companies" includes such a set of rules, as mentioned under certain conditions. Examples of such Swedish companies applying that set of rules are: Investor AB Industrivärden AB LE Lundbergföretagen AB Investment AB Öresund - Now back to topic.