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On 6/23/2026 at 10:14 AM, changegonnacome said:

 

That is the conventional wisdom - that the Japanese saw the destructive force of the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and threw up their hands.....what people forget is the Japanese leadership was already thoroughly desensitized to the annihilation of their cities by then. By August 1945, the US Army Air Forces had firebombed over 60 Japanese cities to ash. While the atomic bomb was a terrifying technological leap, it was fundamentally just a bigger bomb.....historians argue that to the Japanese high command, Hiroshima merely represented city number 6x being destroyed and it did not fundamentally change their military arithmetic.

 

The military arithmetic that most likely DID turn their head was the entry of the Soviet Union into the war two days after Hiroshima but hours before Nagasaki. Before then the feeling was that the US (acting alone) could be repelled from the Japanese homeland - the entry of the USSR into the war changed the math utterly.

 

The answer of course is likely cumulative....the nukes plus the USSR did it but having looked at the evidence my guess is it was more like 80% the USSR and 20% Nukes that pushed the Japanese to throw up their hands.

 

The story (we) tell ourselves as liberal idealists is that the use of nukes ended the war....their use, by us the 'good guys' was an act of cruel kindness to save aggregate lives on both sides...as in most things the stories we tell ourselves and reality diverge meaningfully. Read more here if interested - https://apjjf.org/tsuyoshi-hasegawa/2501/article

 

Timeline below from Gemini - 

"The August 1945 Timeline

  • March 9-10, 1945: The US firebombs Tokyo (Operation Meetinghouse), killing an estimated 100,000 people and destroying 16 square miles of the city.

  • August 6, 1945: The US drops an atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

  • August 8, 1945 (Midnight): The Soviet Union officially declares war on Japan, violating the Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact.

  • August 9, 1945 (Early Morning): A massive Soviet force of over 1.5 million men invades Japanese-occupied Manchuria.

  • August 9, 1945 (11:02 AM): The US drops a second atomic bomb on Nagasaki.

  • August 15, 1945: Emperor Hirohito broadcasts the surrender of Japan.

The Timing of the Supreme Council Meeting Perhaps the most compelling piece of evidence is the behavior of the Japanese leadership. After the bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, the Supreme War Council did not convene an emergency meeting. However, when news of the Soviet declaration of war and invasion reached Tokyo early on August 9, the council rapidly convened to discuss surrender. They were already in this meeting discussing the Soviet crisis when the news of the Nagasaki bombing was delivered to them later that morning."

 

I think it’s the wrong take. Next step in the war would have been invsarion of t/r Mainland and the casualties on both side would have been terrible.

 

The battle of Okinawa, which was Japanese homeland showed how bloody this might have been. 240 thousand casualties (1/3 of the population), roughly 70 thousand Japanese edema and 14 thousand allied (mostly US) soldiers. Imagine an invasion of the mainland and you could multiples this by at last 20c and likely higher.

 

Truman was the  president after Roosevelt died and the bomb sort of fell in his lap. He was well aware of a monumental consequence but how could he not try to end the war early by using it?

Put yourself in his shoes and think about it and tell me how he would not have used this weapon on his arsenal? Everyone of us in his shoes would have made the same decision. 

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29 minutes ago, Parsad said:

In life, you should stand for things...but absolutism is not a rational stance.  If the facts change, change your position...don't adhere to something solely because you are adamant you are right and everyone else is wrong.   I've found the best investors, and generally the most rational human beings, are the ones that are intellectually honest with what they know and don't know.  And most don't waste their time arguing with people who cannot see that!  Cheers!

 

"Well if I were at the Fed, the thing I'd worry about, always, is that you're the reserve currency of the world. You've got very smart people, very sophisticated people, the American dollar looks like nothing could happen to it, and I don't see how anything could happen to it. But if it does happen to it, I wouldn't want the responsibility of running the Fed.

 

The world will be dependent on it doing it. And last time, in 2007 and 2008, you had Congress that essentially felt they knew more about it than secretary of Treasury. They really gummed things up when they turned down TARP the first time. I think now, people better understand, the Fed can print money."

 

— Warren Buffett, Squawk Pod: 03/31/26

 

"We can't handle runaway inflation except not to be there, in the way of it. If you look at the number of countries that have had runaway inflation since WW2, in my lifetime, it's very large. Once you create that, it becomes a different world. Germany obviously experienced it after WW1. But there are dozens and dozens of countries that have experienced it. And of course, you have countries that have gone bankrupt six or seven times. It's just amazing what people do in financial markets."

"It came close before Volcker, I mean it was "cash is trash." People were losing faith in the currency."

 

— Warren Buffett, CNBC Interview: 05/02/26

He's talking about recapitalization of the banking system in the first interview and hyperinflation during the second. I believe absolutism can extend to simply declaring how "macro is irrelevant."

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And I do know what Trumpers are thinking. Many of them are surrounding me nearly at all times of the day.

They aren't thinking. I have never once met someone who supports Trump who I didn't think was deeply ignorant in some capacity. These are people that don't keep up with news, or worse yet watch some dogshit like Fox, and then think that they understand what is happening in the world and what Trump actually stands for:

"Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other. The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances. The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like, that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings."

— Bonhoeffer - Theory of Stupidity

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Can you imagine falling for the likes of Trump? Hitler would've had a field day with these people.

 

Donald J. Trump, a complete and abject failure, a man disgusting in almost every way possible, has convinced a sizable portion of our populace that he stands for them.

 

If you are someone who is truly an investor, someone who is thinking about a world 10 to 20 years in the future, this should scare you.

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