Parsad Posted yesterday at 03:33 AM Posted yesterday at 03:33 AM Just now, cubsfan said: If that is the case, then why did the Biden administration blow a gasket and criminally charge both Russia and Iran with election interference? Why did Biden expel 10-20 Russian officials from the country for election interference? Why would Biden make such a big deal about election interference - but President Trump should say absolutely nothing? Because they are interfering...doesn't mean they succeeded. Same with Trump...he's welcome to go after anyone who does the same. It's just that the fraud so far has not worked. This is nothing new...foreign governments like China have been trying to influence elections and policy through Chinese nationals who have Canadian citizenship. The same is certainly happening in the U.S. and other countries...just like the U.S. and British have done the same thing over the last 80 years! Cheers!
LC Posted yesterday at 03:41 AM Posted yesterday at 03:41 AM 12 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Obtaining your birth record to apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) from the Texas Department of Public Safety is easy and free. I was discussing the point about fraud and ordering other people's birth certificates. Yeah of course, you can order your own bc.
cubsfan Posted yesterday at 04:01 AM Posted yesterday at 04:01 AM 1 minute ago, whiskybravo said: The 18 states memo does refer to PII, but PII is a broad category. A person’s name and home address are PII. So are Social Security numbers and passwords. The memo itself doesn’t appear to specify the latter. So if you’re saying these documents show that China hacked state election databases containing Social Security numbers, passwords, or login IDs, could you point me to the specific document and page? That would be a much stronger claim than what I’m seeing in the released summaries and memos. That same memo states their goal was to conduct public opinion analysis. This is exactly what the Spectator piece was warning about. China is harvesting huge amounts of demographics to fuel AI and target us with social media manipulation. They gathered public voter files to map out American society. It’s an information warfare threat, not a technical hack of our voting infrastructure. That is exactly what I am saying. It's in the link I provided under the China and voter data previously. Yes, China bought some data. But then they intentionally hacked into 18 government databases and stole even more information, some of which I listed for you. They also hacked into databases of NGO's and other organizations for even more complete data - which I specified. read the full summary and key findings on the right https://electionrecords.netlify.app/china-voter-data#200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted Hacking into government databases is a serious crime. The simple truth is this: China is great at stealing government, NGO, corp data. The Intelligence agencies HAD the proof 6 years ago. The Intelligence memos discuss all their concerns about China being able to manipulate voter data. The Intelligence agencies decide to bury the info and not inform Congress. They refused to brief Trump. It is UNKOWN whether they briefed Biden. So Biden criminally charges Iran & Russia for attempts or intent to interfere in Federal Elections. But the same Intelligence agencies and DOJ do absolutely nothing in regards to China - when it involves 20X the amount of voter data. All 3 countries HACKED into US Government databases. China get free pass. The real crime is deliberately NOT informing President Trump. Here is one original doc that lists some of the government, NGO and other databases criminally hacked. This one specifies millions of SS records. https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/china-voter-data/200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted.pdf Peace WB!
cubsfan Posted yesterday at 04:13 AM Posted yesterday at 04:13 AM 30 minutes ago, Parsad said: Because they are interfering...doesn't mean they succeeded. Same with Trump...he's welcome to go after anyone who does the same. It's just that the fraud so far has not worked. This is nothing new...foreign governments like China have been trying to influence elections and policy through Chinese nationals who have Canadian citizenship. The same is certainly happening in the U.S. and other countries...just like the U.S. and British have done the same thing over the last 80 years! Cheers! You still have not answered the question. Hacking into government data bases lands you in prison. Why did Biden charge Iran and Russia for election interference? BOTH of those countries INTENDED to interfere - which is exactly what the Biden administration's intelligence agencies were warning that China was doing. Only difference is that Biden never charged China - only Iran and Russia. It is actually unknown if Biden actually knew. But it is known that the Intelligence agencies KNEW. And of course, when Trump took over in 2025 - those same agencies deliberately hid the Chinese criminal hacking. There are long discussions in all the redacted documents about China's criminal hacking of databases. Criminal Hacking into voter databases IS election interference by statute.
Parsad Posted yesterday at 04:52 AM Posted yesterday at 04:52 AM 38 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You still have not answered the question. Hacking into government data bases lands you in prison. Why did Biden charge Iran and Russia for election interference? BOTH of those countries INTENDED to interfere - which is exactly what the Biden administration's intelligence agencies were warning that China was doing. Only difference is that Biden never charged China - only Iran and Russia. It is actually unknown if Biden actually knew. But it is known that the Intelligence agencies KNEW. And of course, when Trump took over in 2025 - those same agencies deliberately hid the Chinese criminal hacking. There are long discussions in all the redacted documents about China's criminal hacking of databases. Criminal Hacking into voter databases IS election interference by statute. Why does Trump go easy on Putin and Kim Jong Un? Different leaders have different agendas with foreign leaders. Cheers!
whiskybravo Posted yesterday at 11:17 AM Posted yesterday at 11:17 AM 6 hours ago, cubsfan said: That is exactly what I am saying. It's in the link I provided under the China and voter data previously. Yes, China bought some data. But then they intentionally hacked into 18 government databases and stole even more information, some of which I listed for you. They also hacked into databases of NGO's and other organizations for even more complete data - which I specified. read the full summary and key findings on the right https://electionrecords.netlify.app/china-voter-data#200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted Hacking into government databases is a serious crime. The simple truth is this: China is great at stealing government, NGO, corp data. The Intelligence agencies HAD the proof 6 years ago. The Intelligence memos discuss all their concerns about China being able to manipulate voter data. The Intelligence agencies decide to bury the info and not inform Congress. They refused to brief Trump. It is UNKOWN whether they briefed Biden. So Biden criminally charges Iran & Russia for attempts or intent to interfere in Federal Elections. But the same Intelligence agencies and DOJ do absolutely nothing in regards to China - when it involves 20X the amount of voter data. All 3 countries HACKED into US Government databases. China get free pass. The real crime is deliberately NOT informing President Trump. Here is one original doc that lists some of the government, NGO and other databases criminally hacked. This one specifies millions of SS records. https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/china-voter-data/200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted.pdf Peace WB! I see exactly what you're looking at now in that PDF! Page 5 does list an unspecified U.S. citizen medical database with 28 million records that contained Social Security numbers. But if you look at the structure of that exact table, it completely separates that medical file from the voter files. The table categorizes the 204 million voter records and the individual state voter databases under U.S. Voter, Election-Related Data. The Apparent Contents column explicitly lists what they contain: names, ages, phone numbers, addresses, and party/citizenship info. It does not list SSNs, passwords, or login IDs for any voter files. The SSNs are listed further down under a completely different category called U.S.-Origin PII and Compromised Websites. This section lists hacked servers from a medical group, a biogenetics group, a school, and private business services. The passwords and login IDs on page 6 are from compromised web services companies, not government election sites. The document shows a catalog of different leaks China possessed in 2019. The SSNs appear in a separate medical database entry, and the passwords/login IDs appear in entries for compromised web services. I don’t see the report connecting those datasets to the voter records. The voter records listed in the table appear to consist of standard voter registration fields, names, addresses, phone numbers, ages, party affiliation, and citizenship status. Based on these documents, I don’t see the intelligence community describing this as a hack of voting infrastructure comparable to the server intrusions attributed to Russia or Iran. Instead, the emphasis is on China’s acquisition and analysis of large amounts of voter-related data. Gathering public voter rolls alongside stolen corporate data is a massive espionage threat, but it's not a hack of our voting infrastructure to change votes. Appreciate the deep dive into the PDFs, man. It’s a fascinating look at how China compiles data, even if the media and politicians spin it different ways. Peace.
cubsfan Posted yesterday at 02:26 PM Posted yesterday at 02:26 PM 2 hours ago, whiskybravo said: I see exactly what you're looking at now in that PDF! Page 5 does list an unspecified U.S. citizen medical database with 28 million records that contained Social Security numbers. But if you look at the structure of that exact table, it completely separates that medical file from the voter files. The table categorizes the 204 million voter records and the individual state voter databases under U.S. Voter, Election-Related Data. The Apparent Contents column explicitly lists what they contain: names, ages, phone numbers, addresses, and party/citizenship info. It does not list SSNs, passwords, or login IDs for any voter files. The SSNs are listed further down under a completely different category called U.S.-Origin PII and Compromised Websites. This section lists hacked servers from a medical group, a biogenetics group, a school, and private business services. The passwords and login IDs on page 6 are from compromised web services companies, not government election sites. The document shows a catalog of different leaks China possessed in 2019. The SSNs appear in a separate medical database entry, and the passwords/login IDs appear in entries for compromised web services. I don’t see the report connecting those datasets to the voter records. The voter records listed in the table appear to consist of standard voter registration fields, names, addresses, phone numbers, ages, party affiliation, and citizenship status. Based on these documents, I don’t see the intelligence community describing this as a hack of voting infrastructure comparable to the server intrusions attributed to Russia or Iran. Instead, the emphasis is on China’s acquisition and analysis of large amounts of voter-related data. Gathering public voter rolls alongside stolen corporate data is a massive espionage threat, but it's not a hack of our voting infrastructure to change votes. Appreciate the deep dive into the PDFs, man. It’s a fascinating look at how China compiles data, even if the media and politicians spin it different ways. Peace. YES! Exactly. Some are unspecified NGOs. The PLA are masters at hacking. I am sure you realize, it's going to be a snap for any hacker/skilled data analyst to create a cross reference file. That's kids play. I do not think I have claimed that China has voted in the election - but they have certainly interfered in a big way. And they certainly are in a position to do substantial damage. China stole 40 Million voter records from the UK and the UK is just recovering - it took them 3+ years. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80gl8yvj9go I think @Sweet mentioned UK elections are more safe/secure than US elections, in light of this - it's not at all surprising. But be very curious as why the MSM will not tell you what really is happening. Peace WB.
whiskybravo Posted yesterday at 02:59 PM Posted yesterday at 02:59 PM (edited) 35 minutes ago, cubsfan said: YES! Exactly. Some are unspecified NGOs. The PLA are masters at hacking. I am sure you realize, it's going to be a snap for any hacker/skilled data analyst to create a cross reference file. That's kids play. I do not think I have claimed that China has voted in the election - but they have certainly interfered in a big way. And they certainly are in a position to do substantial damage. China stole 40 Million voter records from the UK and the UK is just recovering - it took them 3+ years. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80gl8yvj9go I think @Sweet mentioned UK elections are more safe/secure than US elections, in light of this - it's not at all surprising. But be very curious as why the MSM will not tell you what really is happening. Peace WB. Exactly! They are master data aggregators. When you cross reference public voter rolls with stolen medical and corporate data, you can build detailed psychological profiles of a population to target them with influence campaigns. That BBC article you linked is actually a perfect example of this. Even the UK's experts concluded that this wasn't an attack to rig an election or flip votes. It was a massive data-harvesting operation. I think we actually completely agree here. China is a massive espionage threat and they are using our own data against us to exploit our cultural divisions. It’s just happening through information warfare, not by hacking voting machines to change tallies. Great debating this with you. Appreciate you digging up the actual documents so we could look at the real data. Peace! Edited yesterday at 03:02 PM by whiskybravo
cubsfan Posted yesterday at 04:13 PM Posted yesterday at 04:13 PM 1 hour ago, whiskybravo said: Exactly! They are master data aggregators. When you cross reference public voter rolls with stolen medical and corporate data, you can build detailed psychological profiles of a population to target them with influence campaigns. That BBC article you linked is actually a perfect example of this. Even the UK's experts concluded that this wasn't an attack to rig an election or flip votes. It was a massive data-harvesting operation. I think we actually completely agree here. China is a massive espionage threat and they are using our own data against us to exploit our cultural divisions. It’s just happening through information warfare, not by hacking voting machines to change tallies. Great debating this with you. Appreciate you digging up the actual documents so we could look at the real data. Peace! Much appreciated - you opened my eyes on a couple issues. Bravo
John Hjorth Posted yesterday at 04:20 PM Posted yesterday at 04:20 PM Isen't this a bit funny? - I think it is! YouTube - The Financial Express [July 20th 2026] : Donald Trump's Bizarre FIFA World Cup Trophy Ceremony Moment Sparks Massive Buzz | US News
cubsfan Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 8 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Isen't this a bit funny? - I think it is! YouTube - The Financial Express [July 20th 2026] : Donald Trump's Bizarre FIFA World Cup Trophy Ceremony Moment Sparks Massive Buzz | US News It is certainly ironic. Given that Spain is the biggest leech in NATO - it's really Europe that should be pissed and not the USA!
Parsad Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Cubs will have an excuse for everything mentioned in here! Cheers! Trump's Meritocracy:
Parsad Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 4 hours ago, cubsfan said: It is certainly ironic. Given that Spain is the biggest leech in NATO - it's really Europe that should be pissed and not the USA! Actually, the biggest leech in NATO isn't any single country...it's DJT! Crook, leech, criminal, sex pervert, narcissist, liar...you name it, he sucks it! Cheers!
John Hjorth Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, Parsad said: Cubs will have an excuse for everything mentioned in here! Cheers! Trump's Meritocracy: Thank you, Sanjeev [ @Parsad ], HaHa, - Jon Stewart is just awesome! - I get good laugh every time and I see and listen to him!
dealraker Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 5 hours ago, Parsad said: Actually, the biggest leech in NATO isn't any single country...it's DJT! Crook, leech, criminal, sex pervert, narcissist, liar...you name it, he sucks it! Cheers! Each day Trump takes his tag along's to a new level of joy. The more delusional the better; anything flies as long as it is Trump saying it. The subject matter, the words, the ideas? They are all flexible, literally open ended. Trump takes his tag along's anywhere he wants. You are with him or not, that's it. Nothing else, silly stuff like reality, matters. He's been successful at this for 60 years. And he sells like hot cakes to all media. Glory be to The Donald!
John Hjorth Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 11 hours ago, cubsfan said: It is certainly ironic. Given that Spain is the biggest leech in NATO - it's really Europe that should be pissed and not the USA! Mike [ @cubsfan ], That's a fact. -I'll give you that, -and it's a disgrace for Spain, actually. But that does not provide basis for POTUS to speak publicly about Spain this way, as I've posted above. It should get dealt with behind NATO closed doors, with the NATO Secretary General at the table end. - - - o 0 o - - - Could it - one way or another - have to do with the Strait of Gibraltar could become a 'strategic strait' the same way as the Strait of Hormuz?
John Hjorth Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 34 minutes ago, dealraker said: Each day Trump takes his tag along's to a new level of joy. The more delusional the better; anything flies as long as it is Trump saying it. The subject matter, the words, the ideas? They are all flexible, literally open ended. Trump takes his tag along's anywhere he wants. You are with him or not, that's it. Nothing else, silly stuff like reality, matters. He's been successful at this for 60 years. And he sells like hot cakes to all media. Glory be to The Donald! Today, I have read an article by Danish correspondent Christian Bigum, Danish news media Jyllandsposten : JP.dk - International [July 21st 2026] : Behind closed doors, Trump's party allies reveal a new, ugly strategy: The midterm elections must be won with "hate" Subtitle : It looks like it will be an extremely dirty election campaign leading up to the midterm elections in the United States on November 3. On the part of Trump's Republicans, this is completely deliberate. The risk is great. But so is the potential gain. [Partly subscription protected]. - - - o 0 o - - - You've got to to be kidding me, if this is the actual state of the union. - - - o 0 o - - - It happens from time to time, occationally, when I see photos of POTUS, then a chill runs down my spine and my neckline bristles. It happened with this photo of POTUS applied in the article : These eyes simply give me the creeps.
Sweet Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 7 hours ago, Parsad said: Cubs will have an excuse for everything mentioned in here! Cheers! Trump's Meritocracy: I didn't watch all of this, but flicked through the episode. Is his 90% show about politics and Trump normally?
cubsfan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 20 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Today, I have read an article by Danish correspondent Christian Bigum, Danish news media Jyllandsposten : JP.dk - International [July 21st 2026] : Behind closed doors, Trump's party allies reveal a new, ugly strategy: The midterm elections must be won with "hate" Subtitle : It looks like it will be an extremely dirty election campaign leading up to the midterm elections in the United States on November 3. On the part of Trump's Republicans, this is completely deliberate. The risk is great. But so is the potential gain. [Partly subscription protected]. - - - o 0 o - - - You've got to to be kidding me, if this is the actual state of the union. - - - o 0 o - - - It happens from time to time, occationally, when I see photos of POTUS, then a chill runs down my spine and my neckline bristles. It happened with this photo of POTUS applied in the article : These eyes simply give me the creeps. John - respectfully - every American election is dirty and nasty. How much dirtier can one party get than trying to put the leading Republican in jail for 350 years? Within weeks of Trump announcing his run for President - 5 lawsuits were launched against Trump. 7 states tried to pass laws barring Trump from being on their states ballots. Jack Smith, the henchman for Merrick Garland, US Attorney general - spied on 20 senators and hundreds of supposed Trump aids/friends. Did your Danish journalist acknowledge even ONE of those historical acts??? Much of Trump winning this past election is BECAUSE Americans could see this wholesale campaign to JAIL their Republican choice from being President.
73 Reds Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 30 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Today, I have read an article by Danish correspondent Christian Bigum, Danish news media Jyllandsposten : JP.dk - International [July 21st 2026] : Behind closed doors, Trump's party allies reveal a new, ugly strategy: The midterm elections must be won with "hate" Subtitle : It looks like it will be an extremely dirty election campaign leading up to the midterm elections in the United States on November 3. On the part of Trump's Republicans, this is completely deliberate. The risk is great. But so is the potential gain. [Partly subscription protected]. - - - o 0 o - - - You've got to to be kidding me, if this is the actual state of the union. - - - o 0 o - - - It happens from time to time, occationally, when I see photos of POTUS, then a chill runs down my spine and my neckline bristles. It happened with this photo of POTUS applied in the article : These eyes simply give me the creeps. John, US politics has always been dirty. This has been the Democratic playbook since Trump announced his first candidacy; why is it only now more risky or problematic when Republicans use the same strategy? It is an issue when folks start believing that what is good for me is not good for thee. In fact that is what led to the rise of Trump.
dealraker Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 40 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Today, I have read an article by Danish correspondent Christian Bigum, Danish news media Jyllandsposten : JP.dk - International [July 21st 2026] : Behind closed doors, Trump's party allies reveal a new, ugly strategy: The midterm elections must be won with "hate" Subtitle : It looks like it will be an extremely dirty election campaign leading up to the midterm elections in the United States on November 3. On the part of Trump's Republicans, this is completely deliberate. The risk is great. But so is the potential gain. [Partly subscription protected]. - - - o 0 o - - - You've got to to be kidding me, if this is the actual state of the union. - - - o 0 o - - - It happens from time to time, occationally, when I see photos of POTUS, then a chill runs down my spine and my neckline bristles. It happened with this photo of POTUS applied in the article : These eyes simply give me the creeps. These models, Trump got the Benito Mussolini dance perfected, are not complicated. They work; they manipulate; they empower; they entertain; his is endlessly one stop shopping for all knowledge about all things. Watch Trumpers gather to tell you this is the norm. It is!
John Hjorth Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, cubsfan said: John - respectfully - every American election is dirty and nasty. How much dirtier can one party get than trying to put the leading Republican in jail for 350 years? Within weeks of Trump announcing his run for President - 5 lawsuits were launched against Trump. 7 states tried to pass laws barring Trump from being on their states ballots. Jack Smith, the henchman for Merrick Garland, US Attorney general - spied on 20 senators and hundreds of supposed Trump aids/friends. Did your Danish journalist acknowledge even ONE of those historical acts??? Much of Trump winning this past election is BECAUSE Americans could see this wholesale campaign to JAIL their Republican choice from being President. 11 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: John, US politics has always been dirty. This has been the Democratic playbook since Trump announced his first candidacy; why is it only now more risky or problematic when Republicans use the same strategy? It is an issue when folks start believing that what is good for me is not good for thee. In fact that is what led to the rise of Trump. Thank you, Mike [ @cubsfan ] and @73 Reds, It's very educational to read your posts, for me personally. I learn a lot from them. I obviously suffer from home bias as Northern European citizen. Edited 3 hours ago by John Hjorth
73 Reds Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Just now, John Hjorth said: Thank you, Mike [ @cubsfan ] and @73 Reds, It's very educational to read your post for me personally. I learn a lot from them. I obviously suffer from home bias as Northern European citizen. John, if you ask me, you suffer more from the TDS displayed daily on this site and particularly in this thread. Just saying....
cubsfan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Thank you, Mike [ @cubsfan ] and @73 Reds, It's very educational to read your post for me personally. I learn a lot from them. I obviously suffer from home bias as Northern European citizen. We do it because you are a great member here John!
cubsfan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Just now, cubsfan said: We do it because you are a great member here John! @John HjorthAnd don't ask me about Danish politics, cause I could not tell you a thing!
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