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[gfp]

Oh man I have PTSD from my years of arguing with the Social Security administration trying to get my adopted kid a social security number at 19 years old.  I had already secured a US passport from the state department but those idiots at Social Security refused to accept that a US passport was de-facto proof of US citizenship.  Finally they just got tired of me showing up everyday to the office and taking all the supervisor's time and gave the kid the f'ing SSN...  

 

Don't these new "Real IDs" require a birth certificate?  I forget what is required but remember it being a pain.

[Spekulatius]

You would be surprised how many people have trouble proving that are US citizen. Some lose their birth cert or don’t know where they stored it. I deal with this  quite often because we need to classify each visitor or contractor in my facility and the driving license alone doesn’t suffice. Then comes the passport passport which many don’t have and then comes the birth certificate. In quite cases  the visit had to be delayed  because the proof doesn’t come in time and after I received proof, I need to get electronic approval.

In theory it’s easy but there is a difference a difference between  theory and practice. If we had ICE comb some MAGA towns and round up and deport everyone who can’t produce a birth certificate/ passport  or proof of citizenship within 48h, we could depopulate vast stretches of this country.

[cubsfan]

27 minutes ago, gfp said:

Oh man I have PTSD from my years of arguing with the Social Security administration trying to get my adopted kid a social security number at 19 years old.  I had already secured a US passport from the state department but those idiots at Social Security refused to accept that a US passport was de-facto proof of US citizenship.  Finally they just got tired of me showing up everyday to the office and taking all the supervisor's time and gave the kid the f'ing SSN...  

 

Don't these new "Real IDs" require a birth certificate?  I forget what is required but remember it being a pain.

 

Thank you for that story GFP.

 

We have gone through hell with the State of Illinois DOT trying to renew my wife's drivers license.

 

During COVID - her driver's license expired. She tried to renew a couple months later.  DOT told us to bring in her birth certificate.  We contacted Epinal, France and they faxed/emailed us a copy - perfect!  

 

We take her copy of foreign birth certificate in - NOPE  - we will not accept that.  After 3 visits, I gave up. This for a renewal of an expired driver's license.

 

But you want to vote in ILL??  No proof of citizenship required - just say you are a citizen!

 

Why would the State of ILL make it a snap to register to vote - with no proof of citizenship - but make it IMPOSSIBLE for a resident to renew their expired driver's license.

 

The answers are obvious.

[gfp]

Dang @cubsfan !  I lived in Epinal France when I was 12 years old!  It started as one of those 3 week exchange programs but I stayed for a few months longer and the family I lived with was extremely wealthy.  I learned a lot about the finer things in life that stuck with me.  Later when the kid from Epinal came to Illinois and Indiana to see our family farm his verdict was that it was pretty shitty 

[cubsfan]

9 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

You would be surprised how many people have trouble proving that are US citizen. Some lose their birth cert or don’t know where they stored it. I deal with this  quite often because we need to classify each visitor or contractor in my facility and the driving license alone doesn’t suffice. Then comes the passport passport which many don’t have and then comes the birth certificate. In quite cases  the visit had to be delayed  because the proof doesn’t come in time and after I received proof, I need to get electronic approval.

In theory it’s easy but there is a difference a difference between  theory and practice. If we had ICE comb some MAGA towns and round up and deport everyone who can’t produce a birth certificate/ passport  or proof of citizenship within 48h, we could depopulate vast stretches of this country.

 

Not accurate. As explained, a citizen can get a copy of their birth certificate, usually for $10-35, give them the County name & City name, parent's name, and your full name.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

 

Some states may require a photo with signature or notarized.  

 

It's amazingly easy.

 

You're getting ridiculous again.

[cubsfan]

14 minutes ago, gfp said:

Dang @cubsfan !  I lived in Epinal France when I was 12 years old!  It started as one of those 3 week exchange programs but I stayed for a few months longer and the family I lived with was extremely wealthy.  I learned a lot about the finer things in life that stuck with me.  Later when the kid from Epinal came to Illinois and Indiana to see our family farm his verdict was that it was pretty shitty 

 

Holy crap! Wait until I tell Evelyne - she is not going believe this.  She lived in Epinal for 3 years, but grew up on the Moselle in Charmes, which I believe is 20 miles??  Moved to Rockford at 20 with her first husband - talk about culture shock.

Small world indeed GFP.

[73 Reds]

21 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Not accurate. As explained, a citizen can get a copy of their birth certificate, usually for $10-35, give them the County name & City name, parent's name, and your full name.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

 

Some states may require a photo with signature or notarized.  

 

It's amazingly easy.

 

You're getting ridiculous again.

Not only that, you can order a copy of ANYONE'S birth certificate.  When they have no argument they make up excuses.

[Sloanes Teddy]

27 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Not only that, you can order a copy of ANYONE'S birth certificate.  When they have no argument they make up excuses.

Can one order the long-form birth certificate? Asking for my pal Barack:)

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

Not only that, you can order a copy of ANYONE'S birth certificate.  When they have no argument they make up excuses.

 

I had no idea you could do that.

 

Almost as easy as an illegal immigrant can vote in a US election.

[Gregmal]

This is all nothing new. Same as when one team loses in soccer or basketball and blames the refs. Theres definitely fraud as it’s statistically almost impossible for there to be none; fraud is everywhere, but it is what it is and it’s always the loser complaining about it which is also part of the issue. 
 

That said if you can’t present ID or come up with the same documentation you need to collect welfare, buy alcohol, cigarettes, go to nightclubs…notice most of those things are very dominant habits of certain demographics….go fuck yourself you shouldn’t be able to vote. 

[LC]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Not only that, you can order a copy of ANYONE'S birth certificate.  When they have no argument they make up excuses.

 

You're absolutely right! Except in most states.

 

The amount of misinformation that is confidently spewed by MAGA is mind numbing.

No wonder Trump appeals to you guys.

 

Florida:

 

 

Texas:

 

 

I'm not going to bother researching the rest for you. 

 

 

Poll taxes are illegal, elections are run by the States...if u don't like it, get over it or continue greasing up the loser in chief to MAGA the law. 

[gfp]

3 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Holy crap! Wait until I tell Evelyne - she is not going believe this.  She lived in Epinal for 3 years, but grew up on the Moselle in Charmes, which I believe is 20 miles??  Moved to Rockford at 20 with her first husband - talk about culture shock.

Small world indeed GFP.

 

Usually I would preface this with an apology for posting in this thread about something so off-topic but I don't give a shit about the politics thread so...

 

I still have a bunch of prints and stuff from the Imagerie d'Epinal - maybe she would remember that place

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagerie_d'Épinal

 

I remember this badass climbing wall right near the city center called Carrière Collot - totally badass climbing setup for the middle of town

https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/france/ambrail-epinal

 

I lived in a suburb of Paris the year before called La Varenne in Saint-Maur-de-Fosses and that family was also super rich - they let me try to drive a Ferrari 328 when the only clutch experience I had was on a farm tractor or tiny motorbikes - a gated manual shifter!  I didn't do great.

 

Both years in France everyone in my program was paired with working class families - truck drivers, little stone houses, etc.  Both years I got paired with the richest family in the community with multiple household staff and Range Rovers and beautiful people.  My theory is that because my Father was a chain smoker we were the only family that filled out the form saying "smokers OK" and so I got paired with the rich families that smoked cigarettes.  Or maybe it was just luck - but I decided back at 11 and 12 years old that that life suited me just fine!

 

The kid I got paired with in Epinal was supposed to grow up to be a tennis star but that little fucker ended up becoming a race car driver...  Unbelievable..  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Leclerc

 

His sister josephine was my first kiss, so there

[73 Reds]

11 minutes ago, LC said:

 

You're absolutely right! Except in most states.

 

The amount of misinformation that is confidently spewed by MAGA is mind numbing.

No wonder Trump appeals to you guys.

 

Florida:

 

 

Texas:

 

 

I'm not going to bother researching the rest for you. 

 

 

Poll taxes are illegal, elections are run by the States...if u don't like it, get over it or continue greasing up the loser in chief to MAGA the law. 

LOL, in Florida a legal representative can be anyone (literally).  Nice try.  You missed the point, as usual.

[John Hjorth]

7 minutes ago, gfp said:

Usually I would preface this with an apology for posting in this thread about something so off-topic but I don't give a shit about the politics thread so...

 

I still have a bunch of prints and stuff from the Imagerie d'Epinal - maybe she would remember that place

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagerie_d'Épinal

 

I remember this badass climbing wall right near the city center called Carrière Collot - totally badass climbing setup for the middle of town

https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/france/ambrail-epinal

 

I lived in a suburb of Paris the year before called La Varenne in Saint-Maur-de-Fosses and that family was also super rich - they let me try to drive a Ferrari 328 when the only clutch experience I had was on a farm tractor or tiny motorbikes - a gated manual shifter!  I didn't do great.

 

Both years in France everyone in my program was paired with working class families - truck drivers, little stone houses, etc.  Both years I got paired with the richest family in the community with multiple household staff and Range Rovers and beautiful people.  My theory is that because my Father was a chain smoker we were the only family that filled out the form saying "smokers OK" and so I got paired with the rich families that smoked cigarettes.  Or maybe it was just luck - but I decided back at 11 and 12 years old that that life suited me just fine!

 

The kid I got paired with in Epinal was supposed to grow up to be a tennis star but that little fucker ended up becoming a race car driver...  Unbelievable..  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Leclerc

 

His sister josephine was my first kiss, so there

 

 

HaHa! , @gfp,

 

It's an awesome post! It also sheds some light on you personally! 

[cubsfan]

4 minutes ago, LC said:

 

You're absolutely right! Except in most states.

 

The amount of misinformation that is confidently spewed by MAGA is mind numbing.

No wonder Trump appeals to you guys.

 

Florida:

 

 

Texas:

 

 

I'm not going to bother researching the rest for you. 

 

 

Poll taxes are illegal, elections are run by the States...if u don't like it, get over it or continue greasing up the loser in chief to MAGA the law. 

 

Where are you getting your information LC?

 

Florida Birth Certificate costs $9

 

Here is what is required:  signature, birthdate, and photo ID - pick one (Driver's license, Passport, Military ID, State ID).

 

 

 

Texas Birth Certificate costs $22

 

Here is what's required:  

-State ID or Driver's License (any state)

-Date of Birth

-Full Name

-SS#

-Current address

 

All done online.  Simple, very simple.

 

 

[cubsfan]

16 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

HaHa! , @gfp,

 

It's an awesome post! It also sheds some light on you personally! 

 

Pretty damn cool GFP.  Wife's family favorite spot in Epinal is the American Cemetery WWII.

 

Your buddy LeClerc from Epinal was born the year I met Evelyne (French women are the best). I think I met Josey ..

 

Explains a lot about you and your crazy motorcycle trips.  Cheers.

Edited 30 minutes ago by cubsfan

[cubsfan]

FWIW - LC, Spek

 

Your hatred of MAGA is noted. LOL

 

Have a nice weekend boys!

[Parsad]

7 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

I posted this before, but it’s quite hard in the US to get an ID that proves you are US citizen. That‘s why many Americans don’t have a passport. If you can’t produce your birth certificate, it’s quite a problem.

A driving license which most people have doesn’t prove anything. It has nothing to do with being an US citizen or US person for that matter. A reform of the voting system would need to start with a program to provide an ID card to anyone.

 

I think if the U.S. made a joint DL/Citizenship Card it would force a lot of people to find their passports or birth certificates.  I'm not against it, I just think it's a way to make it harder for people to vote.  Nothing to do with legitimate or not. 

 

In Canada, we are required to provide our voter card (just a piece of paper sent to your home address telling you where to vote), be on the voter registry that matches the card, and provide a piece of photo id.  No birth certificate, no passport.  And there has been zero outcry over unfair elections.  We also have mail in ballots that are date-stamped when mailed, and counted after election day, but they have to all be in by election day...that is the cut-off.  Cheers!

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, Parsad said:

 

I think if the U.S. made a joint DL/Citizenship Card it would force a lot of people to find their passports or birth certificates.  I'm not against it, I just think it's a way to make it harder for people to vote.  Nothing to do with legitimate or not. 

 

In Canada, we are required to provide our voter card (just a piece of paper sent to your home address telling you where to vote), be on the voter registry that matches the card, and provide a piece of photo id.  No birth certificate, no passport.  And there has been zero outcry over unfair elections.  We also have mail in ballots that are date-stamped when mailed, and counted after election day, but they have to all be in by election day...that is the cut-off.  Cheers!

Anyone born in the U.S. can easily order a copy of their birth certificate if they don't already have it.  That is one way to prove citizenship.  Opponents of proper ID are making a mountain out of a mole hill.  Otherwise your suggestion makes complete sense other than to those who don't want fair elections.

[John Hjorth]

1 minute ago, Parsad said:

... In Canada, we are required to provide our voter card (just a piece of paper sent to your home address telling you where to vote), be on the voter registry that matches the card, and provide a piece of photo id.  No birth certificate, no passport.  And there has been zero outcry over unfair elections.  We also have mail in ballots that are date-stamped when mailed, and counted after election day, but they have to all be in by election day...that is the cut-off.  Cheers!

 

It's that plain simple! Build a database maintained to keep track of who has the rights to vote!