dwy000 Posted April 12 Posted April 12 So sending JD Vance, a guy with no political experience and zero international diplomacy, didn't work. Huh! Meanwhile your Secretary of State, who's entire job is heading up international relations and diplomacy, the one capable guy in the administration with a long history of political experience, is sitting at home going to UFC events. The incompetence is staggering.
cubsfan Posted April 12 Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, dwy000 said: So sending JD Vance, a guy with no political experience and zero international diplomacy, didn't work. Huh! Meanwhile your Secretary of State, who's entire job is heading up international relations and diplomacy, the one capable guy in the administration with a long history of political experience, is sitting at home going to UFC events. The incompetence is staggering. Yeah, good to see JD caved to all Iranian demands. LOL
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Because of TACO there wont be a global depression. I am just questioning whether what POTUS said about blocking SOH (which is already blocked by Iran) has any sense. Also not saying that Iran will crush USA - it is not possible. I am just saying that POTUS is in shit up to his nose with this Iran war and has mostly bad options in front of him. Weak Iran can block the SOH and US mighty Navy (which is no.1) can do shit about it and stays far away from Iran because of safety reasons. Also, US could not defend fully its allies - lots of rockets went through and did significant damage to Arab industry. This tells a lot who has a weak hand in this particular conflict. Iran has such good geography that the only way to win here is to nuke it. Picking parts out of context and adding different meaning to what I wrote may seem like a logical contr argument, but it is not.
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Rubio would come back with the same result. It was not about JD or incompetency. Both parties were so far apart that is was not possible to find a common ground.
cubsfan Posted April 12 Posted April 12 6 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: Because of TACO there wont be a global depression. I am just questioning whether what POTUS said about blocking SOH (which is already blocked by Iran) has any sense. Also not saying that Iran will crush USA - it is not possible. I am just saying that POTUS is in shit up to his nose with this Iran war and has mostly bad options in front of him. Weak Iran can block the SOH and US mighty Navy (which is no.1) can do shit about it and stays far away from Iran because of safety reasons. Also, US could not defend fully its allies - lots of rockets went through and did significant damage to Arab industry. This tells a lot who has a weak hand in this particular conflict. Iran has such good geography that the only way to win here is to nuke it. Picking parts out of context and adding different meaning to what I wrote may seem like a logical contr argument, but it is not. Really? So Iran bombed 10 of their Arab neighbors in addition to the US & Israel - but they are sitting in the driver's seat --- and have the strongest hand?? Right
Gregmal Posted April 12 Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: I am just questioning whether what POTUS said about blocking SOH (which is already blocked by Iran) has any sense. It’s just rhetoric. If I threaten to close a Burger King that’s already closed, who cares? Of course the TDS crowd will miss the “negotiation” aspect of everything, probably hanging on “but I thought it was open”, the same way they keep obsessing over singular words like “obliterated” and stuff, but it’s all just part of the song and dance. Right now it’s basically the world against or neutral vs Iran/Lebanon/few small allies. Shitll get situated, just a matter of whether Trump screwed up doing this so close to midterms which my assumption there is yes he did. Folks can be free to bid up oil or bid down stocks on this drama but the game of hot potato will eventually come to an end. Then like always, it’ll be onto the next drama.
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Yes, Iran decides who goes through SOH, not US. So Iran controls 20% of global oil, it is a lot of power. Iran decided to continue its nuke program, US cant stop it. If Iran was weak, JD would come with agreement.
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, Gregmal said: It’s just rhetoric. If I threaten to close a Burger King that’s already closed, who cares? Of course the TDS crowd will miss the “negotiation” aspect of everything, probably hanging on “but I thought it was open”, the same way they keep obsessing over singular words like “obliterated” and stuff, but it’s all just part of the song and dance. Right now it’s basically the world against or neutral vs Iran/Lebanon/few small allies. Shitll get situated, just a matter of whether Trump screwed up doing this so close to midterms which my assumption there is yes he did. Folks can be free to bid up oil or bid down stocks on this drama but the game of hot potato will eventually come to an end. Then like always, it’ll be onto the next drama. Agree, the big picture looks like you wrote. Also agree that lots of what Trump says is just noise, positioning him as unpredictable, etc. So also agree that we should not get too attached to what Trump says - which with him closing SOH could be just rhetoric - as it does not make much sense, but could be useful for some of his communication strategy.
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 2 hours ago, Gregmal said: Frankly, I cant think of anything more emblematic of liberal politics than whats happened in California this week. Folks finding out there are huge swaths of relatives of the Iranian regime living large in LA, and then their hero Eric Swalwell basically getting outed as another Harvey Weinstein. Notha day in paradise! Ahhh, the old flip the script move! Let's not talk about the chaos in the Middle East...let's talk about California and the Democrats. Touché! Then me must flip it back and talk about how Melania essentially outed Trump and Epstein's close friendship and is making sure she isn't caught in the crossfire. Two guys worse than even Weinstein! How is that even possible?! And Trump was friends with both! Cheers!
cubsfan Posted April 12 Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: Yes, Iran decides who goes through SOH, not US. So Iran controls 20% of global oil, it is a lot of power. Iran decided to continue its nuke program, US cant stop it. If Iran was weak, JD would come with agreement. Iran has no income prospects. Iran can't stop Israel or the US from bombing all they like. With satellite surveillance every 24 hours on the nuclear sites - it's a cakewalk to bomb even if the US eventually withdraws. Iran likely has $1T worth of assets destroyed. With a blockade and no ability to rebuild military assets - you think Iran's citizens just stand by and watch any income they can muster get used to rebuild and then destroyed again? A blockade and/or destruction of power plants, rail, bridges, etc - leave Iran in a very weak position. We will find out soon enough.
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Got it - world wide depression on the way. Fear not - Iran will crush the USA & Israel... Not a Depression, but would you not say that if it lingers through the year, a deep recession is quite likely? At the very least, we are on target now for a minor recession if it continues even another few weeks. So you can scream USA, USA, USA all you want, but this is a situation that didn't have to happen the way it unfolded, and the VP and other admin staff educated the President not to do it and he still went ahead full steam. Everyone always picks on political decisions when they go wrong...you don't think anything at all went wrong on this one that could have been done differently or prevented? Hindsight is always 20/20...and you still have 20/60 vision! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted April 12 Posted April 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Parsad said: Ahhh, the old flip the script move! Let's not talk about the chaos in the Middle East...let's talk about California and the Democrats. Touché! Then me must flip it back and talk about how Melania essentially outed Trump and Epstein's close friendship and is making sure she isn't caught in the crossfire. Two guys worse than even Weinstein! How is that even possible?! And Trump was friends with both! Cheers! This is really the best part of it all, that basically 95% of the Epstein roster were….your 90s and 2000s A list Democrats. Them? Trump, Trump, Trump! Since day 1 of Epstein? Nope, the infatuation started February 2025….weird coincidence I guess. Then ask them, how come Merrick Garland never went after Trump, and they slink off like the mutant cocksucking rodents they are! Or just chant, “release the files!” Without any semblance of awareness for context or legal precedent. I don’t know. But it’s funny to watch. Edited April 12 by Gregmal
Gregmal Posted April 12 Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, Parsad said: hhh, the old flip the script move! Let's not talk about the chaos in the Middle East... And I’ll also add, we are talking about the Middle East lol
ICUMD Posted April 12 Posted April 12 US midterms coming up. Iran is also playing the political game but refusing to settle.
Marco Van Basten Posted April 12 Posted April 12 45 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: Because of TACO there wont be a global depression. I am just questioning whether what POTUS said about blocking SOH (which is already blocked by Iran) has any sense. Also not saying that Iran will crush USA - it is not possible. I am just saying that POTUS is in shit up to his nose with this Iran war and has mostly bad options in front of him. Weak Iran can block the SOH and US mighty Navy (which is no.1) can do shit about it and stays far away from Iran because of safety reasons. Also, US could not defend fully its allies - lots of rockets went through and did significant damage to Arab industry. This tells a lot who has a weak hand in this particular conflict. Iran has such good geography that the only way to win here is to nuke it. Picking parts out of context and adding different meaning to what I wrote may seem like a logical contr argument, but it is not. You do realize that the reason we have the Iran was is because Iran thought that Trump would TACO rather than fight back against the war Iran has been waging for 47 years? As for lack of options for US, US can simply stop any and all oil exports from Iran, let Israel destroy Iranian industry, and watch Iran just collapse.
aws Posted April 12 Posted April 12 43 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: Because of TACO there wont be a global depression. I am just questioning whether what POTUS said about blocking SOH (which is already blocked by Iran) has any sense. I think it's one of the best ideas he's had. The US has done nothing to disrupt any of the shipping through the strait throughout the war. They've let all the Iranian tankers and bulkers through, which effectively allowed Iran to cash in on high oil prices while they disrupt the rest of the world economy. Then the ceasefire was allowed to continue for days even though Iran failed to live up to the only precondition of opening the strait. The US now has credibility that the issue of the strait closure is Iran's fault even though the US might add to the pressure with a blockade. I think it's a long time coming. Iran has been able to feel very powerful by choking off the rest of the world without affecting themselves, so they felt no need to cede anything in the ceasefire demands. At least this would add some pressure to them, turning it from a cash cow to a pain point.
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 41 minutes ago, NotSoWise said: Rubio would come back with the same result. It was not about JD or incompetency. Both parties were so far apart that is was not possible to find a common ground. If Vance stood his ground on nukes and the Strait being open, then he did the right thing. I don't think those two things ARE negotiable. But, I'm just saying none of this had to happen this way in the first place. If they had worked with NATO and the Middle East allies, then went in with force with Israel, they would have more support for all of the decisions being made and a little more balanced responsibility. More countries against Iran's regime, means more pressure and maybe negotiations and decisions would have been a bit different and more effective. Instead, the bull didn't just run through the China Shop, so did the rambunctious Mohel circumcising every terrorist regime in the region...literally! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 7 minutes ago, Gregmal said: This is really the best part of it all, that basically 95% of the Epstein roster were….your 90s and 2000s A list Democrats. Them? Trump, Trump, Trump! Since day 1 of Epstein? Nope, the infatuation started February 2025….weird coincidence I guess. Then ask them, how come Merrick Garland never went after Trump, and they slink off like the mutant cocksucking rodents they are! Or just chant, “release the files!” Without any semblance of awareness for context or legal precedent. I don’t know. But it’s funny to watch. You are flipping again! Hmmm, I didn't let Clinton or Gates off the hook...why you letting the President off the hook? He's mentioned over a million times...compared to Clinton whose mentioned maybe a couple thousand. And Trump maintained his friendship after Epstein's initial conviction in 2009! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 7 minutes ago, Gregmal said: And I’ll also add, we are talking about the Middle East lol We were...yes! And then you flipped it to California and Salwell. Last I checked, neither was anywhere near the Middle East. Cheers!
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, aws said: I think it's one of the best ideas he's had. The US has done nothing to disrupt any of the shipping through the strait throughout the war. They've let all the Iranian tankers and bulkers through, which effectively allowed Iran to cash in on high oil prices while they disrupt the rest of the world economy. Then the ceasefire was allowed to continue for days even though Iran failed to live up to the only precondition of opening the strait. The US now has credibility that the issue of the strait closure is Iran's fault even though the US might add to the pressure with a blockade. I think it's a long time coming. Iran has been able to feel very powerful by choking off the rest of the world without affecting themselves, so they felt no need to cede anything in the ceasefire demands. At least this would add some pressure to them, turning it from a cash cow to a pain point. What you wrote means shooting to Chinese ships with Iranian oil - Do you think it is a good idea? Would US do it?
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, aws said: I think it's one of the best ideas he's had. The US has done nothing to disrupt any of the shipping through the strait throughout the war. They've let all the Iranian tankers and bulkers through, which effectively allowed Iran to cash in on high oil prices while they disrupt the rest of the world economy. Then the ceasefire was allowed to continue for days even though Iran failed to live up to the only precondition of opening the strait. The US now has credibility that the issue of the strait closure is Iran's fault even though the US might add to the pressure with a blockade. I think it's a long time coming. Iran has been able to feel very powerful by choking off the rest of the world without affecting themselves, so they felt no need to cede anything in the ceasefire demands. At least this would add some pressure to them, turning it from a cash cow to a pain point. Yup...no choice now at this point. It's either that or force. They have to get Iran back to the table or surrender, and they won't do the latter. Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Just now, NotSoWise said: What you wrote means shooting to Chinese ships with Iranian oil - Do you think it is a good idea? Would US do it? Chinese ships can go through...pay the $2M to the blockade and it will be returned to payees after the Strait permanently opens. Just like all the tariffs that also have to be paid back! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted April 12 Posted April 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Parsad said: Hmmm, I didn't let Clinton or Gates off the hook...why you letting the President off the hook? He's mentioned over a million times...compared to Clinton whose mentioned maybe a couple thousand. And Trump maintained his friendship after Epstein's initial conviction in 2009! Cheers! No one let anyone off the hook…My “interest” in the whole saga has been consistent for pretty much my entire existence on this site; unlike the meal worms whom all of a sudden got stiffies for pedos in Feb 2025.. Also, we have a legal system and I also think it’s already been explained to you the reason behind the media misrepresentation of “Trump mentioned a million times”. Hint, the emails and convos predominantly had to do with the same shit that every outlet has obsessed over since…drumroll…2015 or so…Trump politics and being president. It’s also pointed out how Epstein used his photos and name dropping of folks like Clinton and Trump to market himself. So we’d think we can agree, that’s it’s dishonest to present things without that context. Which is why us big boys engage, rather than include the mudsuckers who just always take the media fed “line” that fits the narrative of the story they want. 11 minutes ago, Parsad said: We were...yes! And then you flipped it to California and Salwell. Last I checked, neither was anywhere near the Middle East. Cheers! Flopped meaning used a separate comment box to address a separate subject, that IMO, only fits appropriately on COBF, in the “politics” thread? Ya got me! I can affirmatively walk and chew gum at the same time! Edited April 12 by Gregmal
NotSoWise Posted April 12 Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Parsad said: Chinese ships can go through...pay the $2M to the blockade and it will be returned to payees after the Strait permanently opens. Just like all the tariffs that also have to be paid back! Cheers! If Chinese ships can go through with oil from Iran, than what sense has the US blockade - you would block oil to Japan or Australia then... (plus Africa, but nobody cares about Africa)
cubsfan Posted April 12 Posted April 12 16 minutes ago, Parsad said: Not a Depression, but would you not say that if it lingers through the year, a deep recession is quite likely? At the very least, we are on target now for a minor recession if it continues even another few weeks. So you can scream USA, USA, USA all you want, but this is a situation that didn't have to happen the way it unfolded, and the VP and other admin staff educated the President not to do it and he still went ahead full steam. Everyone always picks on political decisions when they go wrong...you don't think anything at all went wrong on this one that could have been done differently or prevented? Hindsight is always 20/20...and you still have 20/60 vision! Cheers! Of course hindsight is 20/20 How about an Iran with nuclear weapons & inter ballistic missiles that can reach Copenhagen? Sound ok with you in the hands of terrorist that are not afraid to attack their Arab neighbors?? Why in the world, would Iran bomb 10 of their Arab neighbors? Might have a few screw loose in the regime.
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