Political Posts

[cubsfan]

45 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

Ditto, one of my interests as well. I thought you were fairly up on the subject of WWII from previous posts which is why I asked the question. But what I am getting at Cubs is, have you read up on the subject of how Hitler came into power in the late 1930's and the tactics he and his right wing Nazi party, used to take over Germany and lead it into WWII? 

 

I figured you were. But yeah, I quite familiar with Night of the Long Knives, his purges, Krystalknacht and those events. 

[cubsfan]

32 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

Another TACO trade - 

 

 

Trump is going to appoint Ivanka Trump to be the next Fed chair (i joke)....but you get the point....

 

Now that is funny!

[cwericb]

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

 

I figured you were. But yeah, I quite familiar with Night of the Long Knives, his purges, Krystalknacht and those events. 

Cool. So stay tuned. To me at least, I see some worrying trends, and as the saying goes, history may not repeat, but it often rhymes. I certainly hope we are not headed in that direction.

[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, cwericb said:

Cool. So stay tuned. To me at least, I see some worrying trends, and as the saying goes, history may not repeat, but it often rhymes. I certainly hope we are not headed in that direction.

 

Yup. Best to wait and see. And I do think the United States is at a crucial crossroads. I expect a constitutional crisis this summer as these judges attempt to impede POTUS. We live in interesting times.

 

...Don't bring up the age thing anymore, you guys make me feel old.

Edited June 12, 2025 by cubsfan

[changegonnacome]

22 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Now that is funny!

 

And profitable....great time to get ahead of an ultra-Dove Fed Chair who personally 'owes' Captain Chaos 200bps of rate cuts.

[cubsfan]

Poor Kathy Hochul. I guess you could call her New York's  Gavin Newscum...

 

 

[Blake Hampton]

“The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest.”

- Mon Mothma, The Full Speech from Andor

 

Edited June 12, 2025 by Blake Hampton

[Blake Hampton]

[whiskybravo]

1 hour ago, cwericb said:

 

Okay, No problem here. Hate to admit it but I'm older than you  and also do, and have always done, a lot of reading. Perhaps see my response to Cubs.

 

Are you familiar to the events leading up to Hitler taking over power in the '30's? All I am saying is, like it or not there are some commonalities to present day USA, but we will see how things play out. 

 

Also keep in mind that Trump was proud of his German heritage and Trump (by his own admission) had copies of Hitler's early speeches. First wife, Ivana, said he kept them by his bedside. Regarding this, Trump stated, “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”         

Thanks for your reply.  Just wanted to first clear up a point.  You had me scratching my head with your comment about WWII starting in 1939.  Then it dawned on me that you were referring to a previous post of mine.

 

1938 referred to Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler.  1941 refer to Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union and its reason for invading.  My fault for poor wording and being so vague:

 

“This is not 1938 or 1941.  Putin not will push further for living space (lebensraum) for the Russian people or “rush to the Caucasus” to seize the non existent oil resources of Western Europe.”

 

 

As to present day parallels, the circumstances are very different.  Our society is more prosperous and despite recent tariff excitement the economy is relatively sound.  I am worried about the fiscal situation.  But so far no stormtroopers or SS.  I think there is hysteria on the left, because they don’t agree with Trump’s policies and they like to get up each morning and feel fresh outrage.

 

Edited June 12, 2025 by whiskybravo

[DooDiligence]

3 hours ago, whiskybravo said:

Lol so you’re another one who thinks we have only a couple of months left?

 

FWIW, I just said I give the nation another 2 months tops. You're finishing the sentence yourself.

[RichardGibbons]

50 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

“The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest.”

- Mon Mothma, Andor

 

The sad thing is that there isn't actually anyone politically who believes in truth.  The right wing is pretty happy just making up stuff, and the left wing believes in saying things like "my truth is" to represent something that isn't objectively true.

[DooDiligence]

3 hours ago, whiskybravo said:

Sorry, that came off a little harsh.

I haven’t read the book in question, but what little I did see when looking into it, was that the author argued for a uniquely German character that laid the grounds for Hitler to successfully propagate Nazism.

 

I don’t see the relevance here.  Just being patriotic and actively pursuing policies that the left doesn’t like is not enough to make the leap to fascism/ dictator etc.

 

 

 

Actively attacking and suppressing journalism while politicizing the military is in fact enough, and it doesn't require a leap, but rather one small step to arrive at a fascist dictatorship. The video linked below presents a slice of European history. It does not attempt to connect the past with modern politics or politicians. It's simply a history lesson and leaves the watcher / listener free to draw their own conclusions.

 

 

One of my favorite parts is where he talks about disingenuous leaders who offer simple solutions to complex problems. Once again, he doesn't infer actions by any modern politicians or governments. History only.

[LC]

18 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said:

The sad thing is that there isn't actually anyone politically who believes in truth.  The right wing is pretty happy just making up stuff, and the left wing believes in saying things like "my truth is" to represent something that isn't objectively true.

 

Well said. 

[Blake Hampton]

BTW, Andor is a must watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.

That statement is relevant to this thread too because the show itself is quite political. I think it might be the best Star Wars content ever made.

[DooDiligence]

Step by step, we move closer...

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-alex-padilla-forcibly-removed-dhs-sec-kristi-noems-press-conferenc-rcna212688

 

...to this,

 

 

[cubsfan]

^^^ Now that is funny.   Some guy, doesn't identify himself, refuses to show ID and bum rushes the DHS secretary.  What a POS. 

 

With all the death threats against Trump's cabinet - what would you expect from 

security personnel?

 

But losers will always make excuses for disgusting behavior.

[Sweet]

8 minutes ago, DooDiligence said:

Step by step, we move closer...

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-alex-padilla-forcibly-removed-dhs-sec-kristi-noems-press-conferenc-rcna212688

 

...to this,

 

 

Bit of a leap.

[Eldad]

Trump and his Democrat foils are just symptoms. The cause is moral rot across the entire country. It’s not a Blue vs Red thing IMO. 
 

The Romans were a people that took over the world basically from their superior value system, work ethic, organization, etc. The Romans went from Cincinnatus & Cato the Elder to the Emperors being murdered every couple of years. 
 

Like Munger said we aren’t as bad as late Rome yet but it’s coming. 

[DooDiligence]

Don't leave home without it.

 

https://trumpcard.gov

 

[cubsfan]

31 minutes ago, Eldad said:

Trump and his Democrat foils are just symptoms. The cause is moral rot across the entire country. It’s not a Blue vs Red thing IMO. 
 

The Romans were a people that took over the world basically from their superior value system, work ethic, organization, etc. The Romans went from Cincinnatus & Cato the Elder to the Emperors being murdered every couple of years. 
 

Like Munger said we aren’t as bad as late Rome yet but it’s coming. 

 

100%

 

[dwy000]

52 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ Now that is funny.   Some guy, doesn't identify himself, refuses to show ID and bum rushes the DHS secretary.  What a POS. 

 

With all the death threats against Trump's cabinet - what would you expect from 

security personnel?

 

But losers will always make excuses for disgusting behavior.

Literally the first words out of his mouth were "I'm senator Alex Padilla"  and he didnt bumrush anyone.  Are we watching the same video??  Does Newsmax alter these?

[DooDiligence]

Another alt-rightie going after kids. Still not a tranny.

 

https://www.wsav.com/news/sc-rep-rj-may-facing-10-counts-of-child-sex-charges/

 

Every accusation is an admission of guilt. All the way up to POTUS and his cabinet.

 

https://missouriindependent.com/2025/01/21/trump-administration-full-of-abusers-sends-a-message-that-violence-against-women-is-acceptable/

 

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Attitudes towards sexual misconduct depend on party affiliation.

 

https://jspp.psychopen.eu/index.php/jspp/article/view/9823/9823.html

 

For those who find this TL; and DR,

 

When then Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was accused of sexual assault in 2018, 52% of Republicans thought the sexual assault, if substantiated, would not disqualify Kavanaugh from serving on the highest Court, compared to 14% of Democrats (The Economist/YouGov Poll, 2018). Previous research suggested that polarized reactions to sexual misconduct allegations are at least partly due to individual differences, yet there has been little empirical, scientific attention given to news consumers’ politics and their perceptions of alleged offenders’ politics on their moral judgments about cases of sexual misconduct.

 

We presented here four studies investigating the influence of political orientation on moral judgments about cases of sexual misconduct. First, our hypothesis that political orientation would influence attributions of responsibility, blame, causation, and punishment for alleged perpetrators and victims was supported. Conservative, relative to liberal participants, attributed more responsibility, blame, causation, and punishment to alleged victims, and less to alleged perpetrators, across the four studies (H2). In these studies, which used both actual news stories (Studies 1-2) and fictional scenarios describing sexual misconduct (Studies 3-4), conservative participants were more likely to consider the people making the accusations of sexual misconduct to be responsible for the incident, to believe that these accusers could have changed the outcome, to blame accusers for what transpired, and to consider the accuser deserving of reprimand. Moreover, conservative participants were less likely to hold the accused individual responsible, to believe that the accused could have changed the outcome, and to blame the accused for what transpired. They were also less likely to support reprimanding or firing the accused individual.

 

Future research should explore whether partisan moral judgments are also found for non-sexual offenses like financial fraud, mugging, or identity theft. If participants judge politically-aligned offenders more leniently, and their victims more harshly, for non-sexual and sexual offenses alike, this would suggest a broader tendency to protect ingroup offenders and delegitimize their victims, across transgression type. Some prior work supports this possibility in the case of conservative politics: participants higher in conservative moral values, compared to lower, judged victims of both rape and robbery as more culpable.

[cubsfan]

25 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Literally the first words out of his mouth were "I'm senator Alex Padilla"  and he didnt bumrush anyone.  Are we watching the same video??  Does Newsmax alter these?

 

After he burst into the room without showing ID to security.

Nice try though. Keep making excuses for losers.

[dwy000]

16 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

After he burst into the room without showing ID to security.

Nice try though. Keep making excuses for losers.

He is the Senator for California. If Kristi Noam didnt recognize him she is even more incompetent than everyone already knows she is. 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

He is the Senator for California. If Kristi Noam didnt recognize him she is even more incompetent than everyone already knows she is. 

 

You're making excuses for the loser's pathetic behavior. Fighting through security while refusing to show ID or say who you are. But go right ahead.

 

Same shit as this Congresswoman from New Jersey:

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/congresswoman-charged-forcibly-impeding-and-interfering-federal-officers#:~:text=NEWARK%2C N.J.,U.S. Attorney Alina Habba announced.