rb Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 At least they don't have skyscrapers in Russia. :-\ Ahem, maybe not sky scraping hospitals. But...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl
rb Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don't want the Establishment country back. They are the ones that put China in power in the first place. This is so dumb! I cannot even begin....
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don't want the Establishment country back. They are the ones that put China in power in the first place. This is so dumb! I cannot even begin.... Well, let's try. ;) What part of the country/world are you from?
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl Isn't it amazing how Epstein knows all of these folks? How about we get rid of them all? ;)
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Why does that matter? I'll assume you have experiences that are biasing your knowledge base. Now, keep in mind, I do too. ;) Knowing where you're from might help me understand what your experiences are.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl Isn't it amazing how Epstein knows all of these folks? How about we get rid of them all? ;) More remarkable that Trump claims he never met Epstein. Has something to deny does he?
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl Isn't it amazing how Epstein knows all of these folks? How about we get rid of them all? ;) More remarkable that Trump claims he never met Epstein. Got something to deny does he? Oh, I would be very surprised if Trump didn't have a lot of pretty bad things in his closet.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 At least they don't have skyscrapers in Russia. :-\ Ahem, maybe not sky scraping hospitals. But... Whoosh.... They had skyscrapers there since 1950s. I studied in one of them ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_building_of_Moscow_State_University )
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Like I said, it might be a good thing if the whole system went down: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/us/jeffrey-epstein-harvard.html
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 All coronavirus discussion should be conducted in another socially isolated location.
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 All coronavirus discussion should be conducted in another socially isolated location. haha fair enough!
rb Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Why does that matter? I'll assume you have experiences that are biasing your knowledge base. Now, keep in mind, I do too. ;) No I don't base my statement on biases like you do. Just facts. The TLDR on this is that there's nothing that special about China. Also nothing too exceptional about the US. These are just stories we tell ourselves. The US is a moderately affluent country. But they have a lot of people. So great power. China is actually a very average country. Almost the definition of average. They're about as affluent as other big names such as Turkmenistan, the Dominican Republic, Palau and Serbia. Somewhat below the great Belarus and well below some other great places like Bulgaria! But there's a lot of them so great power. The thing is nobody put China in power. They put themselves in power by achieving the incredible feat of being average and under performing Bulgaria. All that China had to do was to stop shooting themselves in the foot with cultural revolution type shit. It was inevitable. Now you might argue that other "types" of administrations would have been able to suppress China through economic and military wars. That worked in the case of Cuba, but sucked in the case of a larger country like Vietnam. My guess is that it would have really sucked in the case of China.
LC Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don't want the Establishment country back. They are the ones that put China in power in the first place. I thought that was the Deep State. I must be getting my nameless, hidden-in-plain-sight, pseudo-government entities of Democrat carpetbaggers pulling the strings of Democracy from the confines of leather armchairs, fireplaces and Great Danes at the Bilderberg estate...confused. If you think "the Establishment" put a country of 1 billion people with a rich history of productivity, who performed incredibly cheap labor at high cost to themselves for decades, to the benefit of the western nations "in power" and their citizens - then I would argue you are ignoring factors which represent 95% of China's rise to geopolitical power, in favor of <5% of the factors which you are fitting into your narrative.
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Why does that matter? I'll assume you have experiences that are biasing your knowledge base. Now, keep in mind, I do too. ;) No I don't base my statement on biases like you do. Just facts. The TLDR on this is that there's nothing that special about China. Also nothing too exceptional about the US. These are just stories we tell ourselves. The US is a moderately affluent country. But they have a lot of people. So great power. China is actually a very average country. Almost the definition of average. They're about as affluent as other big names such as Turkmenistan, the Dominican Republic, Palau and Serbia. Somewhat below the great Belarus and well below some other great places like Bulgaria! But there's a lot of them so great power. The thing is nobody put China in power. They put themselves in power by achieving the incredible feat of being average and under performing Bulgaria. All that China had to do was to stop shooting themselves in the foot with cultural revolution type shit. It was inevitable. Now you might argue that other "types" of administrations would have been able to suppress China through economic and military wars. That worked in the case of Cuba, but sucked in the case of a larger country like Vietnam. My guess is that it would have really sucked in the case of China. Everyone's opinion is based on personal biases. At least some of us can admit to it. If we had even trade with China (no surplus or deficit) I would guess that the US would be more stable (more middle class jobs here) and China would be less prosperous. Yeah, yeah, the stock market wouldn't have gone up as much but big deal. Perhaps jobs would have moved over to other countries but the move probably wouldn't have been as extreme - since those other countries have far few people.
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don't want the Establishment country back. They are the ones that put China in power in the first place. I thought that was the Deep State. I must be getting my nameless, hidden-in-plain-sight, pseudo-government entities of Democrat carpetbaggers pulling the strings of Democracy from the confines of leather armchairs, fireplaces and Great Danes at the Bilderberg estate...confused. If you think "the Establishment" put a country of 1 billion people with a rich history of productivity, who performed incredibly cheap labor at high cost to themselves for decades, to the benefit of the western nations "in power" and their citizens - then I would argue you are ignoring factors which represent 95% of China's rise to geopolitical power, in favor of <5% of the factors which you are fitting into your narrative. You don't think that the folks in power wanted to make these moves so that we would have "economic growth?" All of these displaced folks will just get new training they said. Well, guess what, the factories shut down and they were left in the cold. Guess you benefited? Stockholders. How about we leave stockholders out in the cold too by not consistently bailing out the market? I have no problem with people fending for themselves...if the playing field is equal. Like I said, I would prefer no bailouts for anyone - ever. That's fair. Do I think this is some multi-decade conspiracy? No. Do I think the system is quite corrupt? Yes. The Democrats didn't want Bernie so they teamed up against him. Look at all of the connections Epstein and Weinstein had. The government has set up stockholders and the wealthy (any guesses as how many folks running the country own stocks?) to win and the middle and lower classes to lose. That is wrong. The Republicans also didn't want Trump but they let nature take it's course. And, as I've said many times, I have never voted for Trump (and would prefer not to). Trump getting rid of the Fiduciary Rule for financial planners was a giant middle finger to populism (as are his tax cuts). Don't get me wrong, I've benefited tremendously through this broken system but that doesn't mean I agree with it. By, I'll try to respect the thread and will try to go back to speaking only about the virus from here on out.
LC Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Sorry but eventually, Adam Smith always wins. You don't get to blame the Democrats or Republicans for a lesson as old as time itself: you can't beat change (or comparative advantage). For decades China was (and is) able to supply low cost inputs for global consumption. The entire world - including the mean (and median) US citizen and corporation - is better off as a result. Even the ones laid off when "they took our jobs".
DooDiligence Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Sorry but eventually, Adam Smith always wins. You don't get to blame the Democrats or Republicans for a lesson as old as time itself: you can't beat change (or comparative advantage). For decades China was (and is) able to supply low cost inputs for global consumption. The entire world - including the mean (and median) US citizen and corporation - is better off as a result. Even the ones laid off when "they took our jobs". This, and the entitled sheep will continue to piss & moan & ignore their prosperity.
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Sorry but eventually, Adam Smith always wins. You don't get to blame the Democrats or Republicans for a lesson as old as time itself: you can't beat change (or comparative advantage). For decades China was (and is) able to supply low cost inputs for global consumption. The entire world - including the mean (and median) US citizen and corporation - is better off as a result. Even the ones laid off when "they took our jobs". If you mean "better off" by the amount of crap people can buy, sure. If you mean "better off" by having a job you take pride in, then I'll have to disagree. The fact that drug deaths and suicides are up make me believe that a lot of folks are not better off. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/images/databriefs/351-400/db356_fig1.png It looks like it is better off under Trump here. But hey, Congresses' stocks are up, CEOs are paid way (way) more than deserve. Let's parttty! Okay...I'm hoping this one really is my last non-virus post on this thread Sorry all!
LC Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 If you mean "better off" by the amount of crap people can buy, sure. If you mean "better off" by having a job you take pride in, then I'll have to disagree. The fact that drug deaths and suicides are up make me believe that a lot of folks are not better off. I'd suggest reviewing 70 year data on resident population growth, immigration growth, unemployment rates, real GDP per capita, infant mortality rates, and average life expectancy. Maybe overlay that with qualitative factors such as access to education, access to healthcare, voter's rights, and representation by demographic group in government. You're ignoring literal mountains of evidence in favor of sentimentalism. Okay...I'm hoping this one really is my last non-virus post on this thread Sorry all! I'd want to change the subject too, if I were arguing your position :D
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 "Deaths among the elderly in Sweden have been painfully high. In a more densely populated country like the United States, and with a larger proportion of vulnerable people, the human toll of a herd immunity strategy could be devastating" Also:
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 If you mean "better off" by the amount of crap people can buy, sure. If you mean "better off" by having a job you take pride in, then I'll have to disagree. The fact that drug deaths and suicides are up make me believe that a lot of folks are not better off. I'd suggest reviewing 70 year data on resident population growth, immigration growth, unemployment rates, real GDP per capita, infant mortality rates, and average life expectancy. Maybe overlay that with qualitative factors such as access to education, access to healthcare, voter's rights, and representation by demographic group in government. You're ignoring literal mountains of evidence in favor of sentimentalism. Okay...I'm hoping this one really is my last non-virus post on this thread Sorry all! I'd want to change the subject too, if I were arguing your position :D lc...you're dragging me back in. What does 70 year data have to do with anything? China was allowed free trade by Clinton in 2000. And through most of that time we've had artificially low interest rates and huge deficits to maintain our broken system. If I were wrong, we wouldn't have the current leadership we do now either. ;)
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Australian intelligence officials tell Sydney Morning Herald that U.S. briefings on Wuhan lab theory are mostly write-ups of news reports and "contained no material from intelligence gathering." https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-intelligence-knocks-back-us-government-s-wuhan-lab-virus-claim-20200504-p54pk3.html
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