kevin4u2 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Look, I'm not saying Trump is a nice guy. All the allegations of hurting the small guy in contract disputes should be easy to take to court. The problem in America is the entitlement attitude. The other guy is responsible for your happiness, whether that is big business, CEOs, the government etc. If you have something and someone else has a need you are responsible for meeting that need. Don't you think that there are people who don't have contract disputes with Berkshire? I have spoken with some who do with PCP. This stuff happens. To assume the "little guy" is always the victim is not being intellectually honest. The same can be said for the landlord situation, and the hiring of immigrant workers. Now, do you really think Trump did all the hiring? Would Buffett be responsible if one of his companies hired illegal workers? Come on, be realistic. You make it sound like he goes around doing this all the time and just happened to get away with it for years and built a successful business in the process. The Clinton's are lifelong politicians and are now worth 300 million, hmmm, only in America... and perhaps China. It's so painfully obvious that Hillary is a crook, it isn't even funny. The cattle futures stuff is clear as day. Do you really think she is the most successful cattle trader of all time? By the way. I would recommend all American vote anyone other than the two clowns at the top. Not providing heat/hot water is 100% illegal as a landlord in NYC Here's a few more since you bring up getting away with repeated criminal activity: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-scandals/474726/ http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-hotel-accused-of-using-illegal-hispanic-construction-workers/ http://www.pajiba.com/politics/a-complete-list-of-all-the-times-donald-trump-has-broken-the-law.php http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-conducted-illegal-business-communist-cuba-report-article-1.2810972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 Nerdwriter on Twitter does a nice deconstruction of how Trump uses language to sell, I thought it was interesting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tengen Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Either Hillary is one of the most successful cattle traders of all time or a crook. She has zero integrity. Didn't even pay taxes on the capital gains until Bill was elected president. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm Have you even read the article you reference here? It does nothing to support any of your assertions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Quite the thread recapitulating the past week for Trump: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 https://twitter.com/rationalwalk/status/783017155012890624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The problem in America is the entitlement attitude. The other guy is responsible for your happiness, whether that is big business, CEOs, the government etc. If you have something and someone else has a need you are responsible for meeting that need. I see. I guess I was focused on tangible, measureable problems, such as income inequality. I'm sure Donald screwing over small contractors has nothing to do with that. And Donald the landlord cutting off heat/hot water in the winter has nothing to do with that. They were just entitled! Instead, let me focus on this "entitlement" problem, which Donald Trump definitely does not suffer from by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Here's a bit more regarding Donald's "integrity": http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Just a word for anyone thinking of providing services to Donald: Demand payment up-front, and in-full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here's a bit more regarding Donald's "integrity": http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Just a word for anyone thinking of providing services to Donald: Demand payment up-front, and in-full. Most of these unpaid bills stem from Trump firms/properties that went into bankruptcy. It's a bit ironic for me to think that Trump who had several of his firms go into bankruptcy is qualified to fix the US deficit. If I had a choice to make business with Hillary or with Trump, I would chose the former - at least I would be reasonably sure to get paid. I do think I would take a close look at the fine print with both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 You don't screw around when it comes to mental health and PTSD issues. This is powerful, Biden just roaring, watch it: Also, Trump probably shouldn't mention Reagan: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 The PTSD was awful. Not sure if it was a new low but it was just awful. He just keeps pulling this stuff out of his ass that he has no idea about. I'd like to see his winning temperament if he was dropped in a war zone in Afganistan fighting against battle hardened mujahideen with 20-30 years of fighting experience. I know, that's not possible... because he has a bone spur in.... some foot. You can look it up in some records somewhere. The only war he knows about is a twitter war and he looks like he has PTSD from that as well. Maybe he should stick to feuding with comedians and beauty queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here's a bit more regarding Donald's "integrity": http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Just a word for anyone thinking of providing services to Donald: Demand payment up-front, and in-full. Most of these unpaid bills stem from Trump firms/properties that went into bankruptcy. It's a bit ironic for me to think that Trump who had several of his firms go into bankruptcy is qualified to fix the Us deficit. Is it ironic? Declaring bankrupcy seems like the only way to fix the deficit. Of course this can also take the firm of printing to inflate your debt away (but that's simply a more sneaky method to go the bankrupcy route thatcmost people wont recognize). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? On taxes, Trump has obviously had major business trouble in the early 90's as many real estate developers. Don't you guys remember the S&L crisis and the real estate bust? He mentioned somewhere that on the way to a meeting with the banks in the early 90's that he walked past a homeless man and thought that this guy was $2 billion richer than he was. He was $2 billion in the hole! Then it is also not hard to imagine that Atlantic City and its casinos has lost a lot of its luster since the days of Boardwalk Empire with every State and County giving permits for casinos to build them everywhere. Vegas and Atlantic City used to have a "monopoly". So here I am supposed to believe that the guy is a crook because he deducted a massive loss in 1995 due to obvious business losses. Then I am supposed to believe that he never paid taxes after that while the data has never been disclosed. Then I am supposed to believe that his business is just a house of cards while it has been standing for many years (decades) with some obviously high end buildings with high occupancy. Look guys, you may want to listen to whatever leftist outlet there is but, if you are a bank and are lending money to Trump, you see the financial statements. So he has to be money good, if not the plug would have been pulled a long time ago especially when a guy lives a lavish lifestyle which attracts doubt and attention. On contractors being stiffed, you don't stay in business very long if you keep screwing people around you. You also don't stay in business very long if you don't keep a close eye on all these contractors. Maybe that he is demanding and maybe that he does not allow for delays but, there is no way that someone stays in business for years (decades) not paying due bills to anyone. No way! So you may argue that being in the casino business in Atlantic City post 90's was dumb or a lack of foresight. You may say that he took a lot of debt and risk developing real estate. You may also argue that Trump is very tough with his contractors to the point of being an ... That would be fair criticism. Beyond that, please stick with facts as you would with investments being discussed on this site. Some of you may also want to get out there and see what is really happening in the real business world and you will find out that business is a lot tougher and rougher than you think. Reading statements of public companies and seeing how business is truly done is night and day. Cardboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? On taxes, Trump has obviously had major business trouble in the early 90's as many real estate developers. Don't you guys remember the S&L crisis and the real estate bust? He mentioned somewhere that on the way to a meeting with the banks in the early 90's that he walked past a homeless man and thought that this guy was $2 billion richer than he was. He was $2 billion in the hole! Then it is also not hard to imagine that Atlantic City and its casinos has lost a lot of its luster since the days of Boardwalk Empire with every State and County giving permits for casinos to build them everywhere. Vegas and Atlantic City used to have a "monopoly". So here I am supposed to believe that the guy is a crook because he deducted a massive loss in 1995 due to obvious business losses. Then I am supposed to believe that he never paid taxes after that while the data has never been disclosed. Then I am supposed to believe that his business is just a house of cards while it has been standing for many years (decades) with some obviously high end buildings with high occupancy. Look guys, you may want to listen to whatever leftist outlet there is but, if you are a bank and are lending money to Trump, you see the financial statements. So he has to be money good, if not the plug would have been pulled a long time ago especially when a guy lives a lavish lifestyle which attracts doubt and attention. On contractors being stiffed, you don't stay in business very long if you keep screwing people around you. You also don't stay in business very long if you don't keep a close eye on all these contractors. Maybe that he is demanding and maybe that he does not allow for delays but, there is no way that someone stays in business for years (decades) not paying due bills to anyone. No way! So you may argue that being in the casino business in Atlantic City post 90's was dumb or a lack of foresight. You may say that he took a lot of debt and risk developing real estate. You may also argue that Trump is very tough with his contractors to the point of being an ... That would be fair criticism. Beyond that, please stick with facts as you would with investments being discussed on this site. Some of you may also want to get out there and see what is really happening in the real business world and you will find out that business is a lot tougher and rougher than you think. Reading statements of public companies and seeing how business is truly done is night and day. Cardboard And apparently Hillary used the exact same method to avoid taxes (not that there's anything wrong with doing so): http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? I've lived in NYC for 25 years and have witnessed firsthand the slimeball that is Donald Trump. I linked 15-20 sketchy things that Trump has done which I am pretty sure you or I would never do or say. To me, the Trump apologists are the blind ones here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? I've lived in NYC for 25 years and have witnessed firsthand the slimeball that is Donald Trump. I linked 15-20 sketchy things that Trump has done which I am pretty sure you or I would never do or say. To me, the Trump apologists are the blind ones here. But you can do the same for Hillary. He may suck but the other option is that much worse. Just vote Gary Johnson :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? On taxes, Trump has obviously had major business trouble in the early 90's as many real estate developers. Don't you guys remember the S&L crisis and the real estate bust? He mentioned somewhere that on the way to a meeting with the banks in the early 90's that he walked past a homeless man and thought that this guy was $2 billion richer than he was. He was $2 billion in the hole! Then it is also not hard to imagine that Atlantic City and its casinos has lost a lot of its luster since the days of Boardwalk Empire with every State and County giving permits for casinos to build them everywhere. Vegas and Atlantic City used to have a "monopoly". So here I am supposed to believe that the guy is a crook because he deducted a massive loss in 1995 due to obvious business losses. Then I am supposed to believe that he never paid taxes after that while the data has never been disclosed. Then I am supposed to believe that his business is just a house of cards while it has been standing for many years (decades) with some obviously high end buildings with high occupancy. Look guys, you may want to listen to whatever leftist outlet there is but, if you are a bank and are lending money to Trump, you see the financial statements. So he has to be money good, if not the plug would have been pulled a long time ago especially when a guy lives a lavish lifestyle which attracts doubt and attention. On contractors being stiffed, you don't stay in business very long if you keep screwing people around you. You also don't stay in business very long if you don't keep a close eye on all these contractors. Maybe that he is demanding and maybe that he does not allow for delays but, there is no way that someone stays in business for years (decades) not paying due bills to anyone. No way! So you may argue that being in the casino business in Atlantic City post 90's was dumb or a lack of foresight. You may say that he took a lot of debt and risk developing real estate. You may also argue that Trump is very tough with his contractors to the point of being an ... That would be fair criticism. Beyond that, please stick with facts as you would with investments being discussed on this site. Some of you may also want to get out there and see what is really happening in the real business world and you will find out that business is a lot tougher and rougher than you think. Reading statements of public companies and seeing how business is truly done is night and day. Cardboard And apparently Hillary used the exact same method to avoid taxes (not that there's anything wrong with doing so): http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump Oh what a breaking news!! I wonder who mailed Hillary's return to this basement dweller ? Wait that's Hillary herself , she released all of her returns so everyone can check. And last time I checked her tax rate was 34% not 0%. On the other hand , the scam artist who claims to be the best businessman managed to run a billion dollar loss 20 years ago. He over leveraged,overpaid and under estimated the risks. How do we know he is not underwater now? Maybe he reported $5B loss last year but we will never know because there are no disclosures. And don't give me a spiel how successful he is now. A successful billionaire shouldn't have time to appear on a reality show for 14 seasons, shouldn't be opening scams like Trump university, foundation, steaks. I believe Cuban when he says he is close to bankruptcy and is desperate. How many of you guys invest in a company without looking at the income statement? And you can see that a significant potion of her income comes from giving extremely overpaid speeches. Surely that cannot be a sign of corruption. Surely she's not in the companies pockets .... For the record, I also wouldn't show my taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valcont Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? On taxes, Trump has obviously had major business trouble in the early 90's as many real estate developers. Don't you guys remember the S&L crisis and the real estate bust? He mentioned somewhere that on the way to a meeting with the banks in the early 90's that he walked past a homeless man and thought that this guy was $2 billion richer than he was. He was $2 billion in the hole! Then it is also not hard to imagine that Atlantic City and its casinos has lost a lot of its luster since the days of Boardwalk Empire with every State and County giving permits for casinos to build them everywhere. Vegas and Atlantic City used to have a "monopoly". So here I am supposed to believe that the guy is a crook because he deducted a massive loss in 1995 due to obvious business losses. Then I am supposed to believe that he never paid taxes after that while the data has never been disclosed. Then I am supposed to believe that his business is just a house of cards while it has been standing for many years (decades) with some obviously high end buildings with high occupancy. Look guys, you may want to listen to whatever leftist outlet there is but, if you are a bank and are lending money to Trump, you see the financial statements. So he has to be money good, if not the plug would have been pulled a long time ago especially when a guy lives a lavish lifestyle which attracts doubt and attention. On contractors being stiffed, you don't stay in business very long if you keep screwing people around you. You also don't stay in business very long if you don't keep a close eye on all these contractors. Maybe that he is demanding and maybe that he does not allow for delays but, there is no way that someone stays in business for years (decades) not paying due bills to anyone. No way! So you may argue that being in the casino business in Atlantic City post 90's was dumb or a lack of foresight. You may say that he took a lot of debt and risk developing real estate. You may also argue that Trump is very tough with his contractors to the point of being an ... That would be fair criticism. Beyond that, please stick with facts as you would with investments being discussed on this site. Some of you may also want to get out there and see what is really happening in the real business world and you will find out that business is a lot tougher and rougher than you think. Reading statements of public companies and seeing how business is truly done is night and day. Cardboard And apparently Hillary used the exact same method to avoid taxes (not that there's anything wrong with doing so): http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump Oh what a breaking news!! I wonder who mailed Hillary's return to this basement dweller ? Wait that's Hillary herself , she released all of her returns so everyone can check. And last time I checked her tax rate was 34% not 0%. On the other hand , the scam artist who claims to be the best businessman managed to run a billion dollar loss 20 years ago. He over leveraged,overpaid and under estimated the risks. How do we know he is not underwater now? Maybe he reported $5B loss last year but we will never know because there are no disclosures. And don't give me a spiel how successful he is now. A successful billionaire shouldn't have time to appear on a reality show for 14 seasons, shouldn't be opening scams like Trump university, foundation, steaks. I believe Cuban when he says he is close to bankruptcy and is desperate. How many of you guys invest in a company without looking at the income statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Seriously, how many people are there posting in these threads just following blindly whatever the Mainstream media is feeding to them? I've lived in NYC for 25 years and have witnessed firsthand the slimeball that is Donald Trump. I linked 15-20 sketchy things that Trump has done which I am pretty sure you or I would never do or say. To me, the Trump apologists are the blind ones here. But you can do the same for Hillary. He may suck but the other option is that much worse. Just vote Gary Johnson :) At the end of the day I'm thinking Hillary has the cleaner conscience (still dirty, for sure). My take is she's the better of the two. At the very least I think she's a better representative. But I have no gripe with those who disagree, provided they see the landscape clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 "I believe Cuban when he says he is close to bankruptcy and is desperate." Instead of believing one of the biggest a-h... in the U.S. who is proud to operate a sweat shop in Texas where people field calls for a pittance, why don't you look at the actions of banks who would be pulling the plug? Regarding the landscape, it is truly bad: A corrupt individual, a buffoon with huge ego/big mouth, a pot addict who doesn't know squat and a Green Peace lover! If you get over the representative, then you have to look at policies presented by each one to make your selection. Cardboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here's a bit more regarding Donald's "integrity": http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Just a word for anyone thinking of providing services to Donald: Demand payment up-front, and in-full. Most of these unpaid bills stem from Trump firms/properties that went into bankruptcy. It's a bit ironic for me to think that Trump who had several of his firms go into bankruptcy is qualified to fix the Us deficit. Is it ironic? Declaring bankrupcy seems like the only way to fix the deficit. Of course this can also take the firm of printing to inflate your debt away (but that's simply a more sneaky method to go the bankrupcy route thatcmost people wont recognize). Maybe you could elaborate on how bankruptcy would fix the deficit, or how it is the only way. I think we all need a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If you get over the representative, then you have to look at policies presented by each one to make your selection. Cardboard That's a big IF considering this representative will be the face of the national internally and externally. Additionally, I'm OK with the democratic platform. Life's been pretty good over the last 8 years. I don't foresee a change to the republican platform being that large of a shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Here's a bit more regarding Donald's "integrity": http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Just a word for anyone thinking of providing services to Donald: Demand payment up-front, and in-full. Most of these unpaid bills stem from Trump firms/properties that went into bankruptcy. It's a bit ironic for me to think that Trump who had several of his firms go into bankruptcy is qualified to fix the Us deficit. Is it ironic? Declaring bankrupcy seems like the only way to fix the deficit. Of course this can also take the firm of printing to inflate your debt away (but that's simply a more sneaky method to go the bankrupcy route thatcmost people wont recognize). Maybe you could elaborate on how bankruptcy would fix the deficit, or how it is the only way. I think we all need a laugh. I wonder what sort of eloboration you require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Like exactly how it would play out and through which explicit mechanisms would the deficit be eliminated. Also if you could explain why default is the only way deficit can be eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 "Trump team realizes it’s been played as WikiLeaks fails to come through with bombshells about Clinton" http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-backers-realize-theyve-been-played-as-wikileaks-fails-to-come-through-with-bombshells-about-clinton Oh no! How could someone promise that they're going to deliver something only for the publicity and then not actually do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valcont Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If you get over the representative, then you have to look at policies presented by each one to make your selection. Cardboard Basically it comes down to the risk and reward. I liked his stand on immigration and some component of foreign policy but then I realized he will either backpedal or completely screw up the implementation.He fights fire with fire and some of these issues will bring his worst. Do you think Democrats will not try to stir up racial angst if the reward is the Presidency? And Trump will be their best messenger. The guy has no filter between his brain and the mouth.That is a big risk. No Sir, I am content with a tactful corrupt Hillary and the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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