Tariff - aftermath

[Sweet]

3 hours ago, Xerxes said:

not a good answer. 
 

The sandbox is around NATO spending, for the simple fact that the argument made by Washington is specifically around NATO spending. 
 

Nothing more. Nothing less. 
 

The complain is Canada and everybody else falls short. Correct.

 

But look at amazing us, we are meeting our obligation. 
 

Do they really or not ?

It is as simple as that. 

 

Yes they do. 

 

It's 2% military spend by nation, it doesn't say where it must be spent.

 

Canada has a Pacific fleet, British operate overseas territory (still), as does France, nobody is subtracting those expenditures from their net spend.

 

But yes, America is benefited by European operations in the Atlantic, allowing them to have more military gear in the Pacific.

[Sweet]

14 hours ago, Gregmal said:

I love the TACO term. It’s superb and a glorious self own, because so many of those now endorsing it were the loudest moaners about how unfair Liberation Day was and how Trump was going to ruin the world and disrupt world order. They fell for it dearly and now they of course “knew” he wasn’t serious. 
 

Hint for next time chumps…he did this shit his entire career and entire first term and it’s nothing new, just drop the derangement shaded sunglasses. He always starts at the top of Everest on the sensationalism and then settles for a 10 ft hill. But yea, you sure got him LOL

 

I don't think it is a self own.  Its Trumpising Trump's approach.  He likes to slap labels on things all the time.

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, Sweet said:

 

I don't think it is a self own.  Its Trumpising Trump's approach.  He likes to slap labels on things all the time.

It’s a total self own now claiming he “always chickens out” after crying mercilessly about everything he did because you thought he was serious. I remember specifically pointing out to people how even Lutnick said “weeks or months” on how long tariffs stick. Or how Trump always comes in ridiculously heavy but always walks it back and settles for 20% of the ask. And people were still all emotionally stunted and angry and in need of diaper changes. 

[dwy000]

15 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

It’s a total self own now claiming he “always chickens out” after crying mercilessly about everything he did because you thought he was serious. I remember specifically pointing out to people how even Lutnick said “weeks or months” on how long tariffs stick. Or how Trump always comes in ridiculously heavy but always walks it back and settles for 20% of the ask. And people were still all emotionally stunted and angry and in need of diaper changes. 

So its a self own because people are acknowledging and trading off that fact that the President shouldn't be believed because he always caves in?  Interesting "win"  

[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

So it’s a self own because people are acknowledging and trading off that fact that the President shouldn't be believed because he always caves in?  Interesting "win"  

You guys were acknowledging it in early April? Lmfao OK. Man, Revisionist History 101. 
 

In a more general highlighting of the scumbaggery, many of these people cried about how tariffs were a mistake and that he should reverse them. Now it looks like that’s more or less what’s going to happen. But they still wanna scratch that “gotcha” itch, so we re going to call “giving us what we wanted”, “chickening out”….so funny

[Malmqky]

If anyone truly believed 80% blanket tariffs were going to happen, even if Trump wasn't doing his usual negotiating technique Greg outlined, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

I think there's some serious problems with this administration, but they aren't trade related. Just embrace the volatility and use it to make money. No need to complicate this. We all know how Trump operates at this point.

[Sweet]

33 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

It’s a total self own now claiming he “always chickens out” after crying mercilessly about everything he did because you thought he was serious. I remember specifically pointing out to people how even Lutnick said “weeks or months” on how long tariffs stick. Or how Trump always comes in ridiculously heavy but always walks it back and settles for 20% of the ask. And people were still all emotionally stunted and angry and in need of diaper changes. 

See what you mean now.

[Gregmal]

3 minutes ago, Malmqky said:

If anyone truly believed 80% blanket tariffs were going to happen, even if Trump wasn't doing his usual negotiating technique Greg outlined, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

I think there's some serious problems with this administration, but they aren't trade related. Just embrace the volatility and use it to make money. No need to complicate this. We all know how Trump operates at this point.

Go read the thread with the commentary for the two weeks following Liberation Day. Soooo many bought it hook, line and sinker. So many were in distress. Many more spent oodles of time trying to decipher the meaning and impact of such a grave mistake….
 

But as is the case sometimes, now everyone made a million percent trading the obvious outcome. Just like COVID.

[dwy000]

41 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

You guys were acknowledging it in early April? Lmfao OK. Man, Revisionist History 101. 
 

In a more general highlighting of the scumbaggery, many of these people cried about how tariffs were a mistake and that he should reverse them. Now it looks like that’s more or less what’s going to happen. But they still wanna scratch that “gotcha” itch, so we re going to call “giving us what we wanted”, “chickening out”….so funny

No, many were foolish enought to actually believe that the President meant what he said and was telling the truth!  Imagine how dumb that was!  And then he caved multiple times and the gig was up - hence the TACO trade.  

 

People are getting what they wanted (no tariffs) because it turns out the President isn't actually allowed to do what he did.  The "chicken out" is solely on Trump because well, he always backs down.  

[Buckeye]

The TACO trade!? Hahahaha, how funny!  If it’s such a self own, then it shouldn’t be long before the TWS groupies start donning their TACO hats and waiving their TACO flags.  All items made in China, of course. They’ll show those Libtards!  

Maybe the play is long YUM? I can see the pick up trucks now, lining up at the Taco Bell, to show their unwavering support for their Orange Pear. 
 

Shouldn’t be long before we have an acronym for BURRITO.  

 

[Gregmal]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

No, many were foolish enought to actually believe that the President meant what he said and was telling the truth! 

You must have a terrible time negotiating. 
 

New car guy, $55k out the door? Ok done. 
 

New car guy, you coulda had it for $48k….huh? Why did you lie to me, I thought the opening offer was the truth LOL

[LC]

Trump Always Chickens Out is just a negotiation tactic. 

Does he always chicken out? Maybe. 

Does Trump want to slap 150% taxes on China? Maybe.

 

Either we take people at their word or we don't.

 

I think it's funny we have a higher expectation of truth from people making jokes/talking shit, versus the POTUS

[dwy000]

Just now, Gregmal said:

You must have a terrible time negotiating. 
 

New car guy, $55k out the door? Ok done. 
 

New car guy, you coulda had it for $48k….huh? Why did you lie to me, I thought the opening offer was the truth LOL

While its actually pretty apt to compare Trump to a car salesman he actually got nothing in negotiation. Nothing. He reversed everything on Canada and Mexico, he unilaterally walked back China and still hasn't signed a single trade deal.  And a lot of it is because everyone now knows to just wait him out and he will back down.  Hence Taco.

[Gregmal]

Sure. That’s why there was all that hysteria! I’m mean we can just link to the thread if it’s easier. Real time “concern” and “sobbing” were…..very different than what we re “certain of” today…

Edited May 29, 2025 by Gregmal

[dwy000]

27 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Sure. That’s why there was all that hysteria! I’m mean we can just link to the thread if it’s easier. Real time “concern” and “sobbing” were…..very different than what we re “certain of” today…

there was hysteria because people believed that the President of the United States was actually telling the truth and would do what he said.  In a normal world that's justified hysteria.  It only looks stupid in hindsight, not because it was wrong to get worried, but because we're dumb enough to actually believe the President would stand behind his word.  We now know better - hence taco. 

[Gregmal]

lol you read wayyyy too much into an obvious opening act of a negotiation. You continue to equate negotiating with lying which is bizarre but on par with the reaction to the tariffs. Your TDS played a big part in assessing the obviousness of the situation. I even broke it down almost entirely to T so that some of you guys could understand it, and you refused to. Way to go 

[Gregmal]

Not to mention, as I sit here responding to this thinking “this guy can’t be serious”, I chuckle at you saying the reason you got it so wrong, was because “you took Trump at his word” when the never ending refrain from you guys for years now, has been “Trumps a pathological liar and you can’t trust anything he says”….imagine? Pure bs 

[dwy000]

10 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

lol you read wayyyy too much into an obvious opening act of a negotiation. You continue to equate negotiating with lying which is bizarre but on par with the reaction to the tariffs. Your TDS played a big part in assessing the obviousness of the situation. I even broke it down almost entirely to T so that some of you guys could understand it, and you refused to. Way to go 

It was hardly just me or this site.  The entire global stock market dropped what 5-7% that week.  And youre right, we werent wrong just because he lies but more because he's actually a terrible negotiator.  And since that has become more obvious the market largely just shrugs off most of his statements now because, well, Taco. 

 

When the President says the Russia/Ukraine war will be over in 2 weeks and it doesnt even make the news because its the 4th time he's said it, well, that tells you something. 

Edited May 29, 2025 by dwy000

[Gregmal]

Nice. You guys sure “got him”…..

[thepupil]

I for one, don't think "the market" (or most people here) actually took the tarriffs at face value. 

 

If you didn't sell ALL your risk assets on April 3rd, you didn't have certainty on the tariffs being implemented as proposed. If one actually thought they would be, the clear (IMO) step to take would be to sell everything and buy protection at ATH high prices for said protection because this would have been "the big one". 

 

thus far, it does not appear to be "the big one" which was surely most people's base case....

 

 

 

[cubsfan]

30 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Not to mention, as I sit here responding to this thinking “this guy can’t be serious”, I chuckle at you saying the reason you got it so wrong, was because “you took Trump at his word” when the never ending refrain from you guys for years now, has been “Trumps a pathological liar and you can’t trust anything he says”….imagine? Pure bs 

 

Explains a lot. The Trump tariff salvo was the clear indication to come to the table and negotiate.

None of it was hidden in the least. Basically - here's what your current tariff arrangement will look like 

going forward - however, we encourage you to get in line and discuss our issues & your issues - so we can come to a arrangement that works for both countries.

 

Could not have been more clear on each iteration of tariff hikes.

 

These guys will misrepresent it all day long.

[dwy000]

5 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Explains a lot. The Trump tariff salvo was the clear indication to come to the table and negotiate.

None of it was hidden in the least. Basically - here's what your current tariff arrangement will look like 

going forward - however, we encourage you to get in line and discuss our issues & your issues - so we can come to a arrangement that works for both countries.

 

Could not have been more clear on each iteration of tariff hikes.

 

These guys will misrepresent it all day long.

If any of that were true we wouldnt be 50 days forward with not a single trade deal signed. Especially when Trump claimed 200 countries had called to make a deal.  We now know that we are the fools for believing that had a shred of truth. 

[Gregmal]

Speaking of lying. If Trump is a liar who can never be taken for his word, and then you take him at his word, you either must have been lying about the first part, otherwise it’d be impossible to believe anything he says, or you must be lying about taking his word in the second part(probably to excuse the big whiff). Man, it must be so hard having these issues constantly clouding judgment! At least they seem content with the consolatory tacos 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

If any of that were true we wouldnt be 50 days forward with not a single trade deal signed. Especially when Trump claimed 200 countries had called to make a deal.  We now know that we are the fools for believing that had a shred of truth. 

 

You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes - and frankly, neither do I.

 

Trump is a businessman and an obvious brilliant one at that. He's made his opening salvos, he will adjust as you do through a negotiation, and quite possibly put the USA in a much better situation.

With the recent court ruling you posted yesterday - there will likely be an appeal, perhaps up the the Supreme Court court - so yeah, it's a process. 

 

You obviously think it's all over for Trump. I'd say it's far from over.

[Buckeye]

Hahahahaha. So now you’re either an idiot for believing what Trump says, or you’re disingenuous because you never believed him in the first place and now you’re trying to point out that he’s a liar.  Hahahaha. Either way, it’s clear that Trump’s word isn’t worth anything more than the steaks he’s selling. 
 

Won’t be long before the Orange Pear says something that no one believes, and when he actually follows through on it for once, we’ll be told we’re a bunch of idiots for not believing what he said, when it was all so clear all long that he was serious this time. 
 

It all gives you a good look into the mind-fuck-ability that must run rampant in the real estate “negotiation” world.  There’s a reason that the real estate industry attracts some of the country’s most unsavory characters. Trump fits right in.