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[LC]

  

2 hours ago, cubsfan said:

for example, in my neighboring state of Wisconsin, there are 7.1M registered voters, while actually only 4M possible voters.  The 3M "excess" are dead, moved, etc, etc - that need to be purged off the voter roll - but Wisconsin refuses to do that.  This leaves it very easy for voter fraud to occur in a close race  by "finding" new votes. Biden won Wisconsin by 21,000 votes.  

 

 

This is what I love about you cubs, you never allow facts to get in the way of your opinion:

 

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https://wisconsinwatch.org/2026/02/wisconsin-more-registered-voters-than-adults-trump-election/

Wisconsin’s adult population is around 4.8 million, according to Jan. 1 estimates from the state Demographic Services Center.

On Feb. 1, Wisconsin had around 3.6 million active, registered voters, according to the Wisconsin Elections Commission. 

The state has 4.6 million inactive voters on a separate list. Voters move to the inactive list if they die, move to a new state or are convicted of a felony, for example.

Adding those two numbers produces a total of 8.2 million, more than the state’s total population.

State law requires an inactive list for record-keeping purposes. Plus, it helps clerks prevent fraud by catching someone registering under a dead person’s name, for example.

 

 

[SharperDingaan]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Lame duck minus the crepes and Hoison sauce has never been particularly appetizing.  The difference today is the opposing party is completely out of whack and stands for little or nothing.

 

Great reference  

 

Very telling that 2 of the main networks refused to carry Trumps live time speech last night ... and today he's calling for both of them to have their licences pulled. Even with today's rants .... vs the world cup finals coming up; a lot of people are simply turning the dial.

 

Yesterdays, 'old man', fish and chip wrapper 

 

SD 

Edited 5 hours ago by SharperDingaan

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, LC said:

This is what I love about you cubs, you never allow facts to get in the way of your opinion:

 

VERY well done @LC . The reason I admire you besides your wicked sense of humor is you won't let me slide on the facts.  I am often wrong, however embarrassing it may be.  It's more complicated than this. 

 

The CoBF board deserves and will benefit from the TRUTH - instead of slams like "Trump is a dictator", "Trump is shredding the US Constitution", etc.

 

Perhaps if we focus on facts, we get to the TRUTH - and then each members can form an opinion.

 

Yes, that is the response of the Wisconsin Election Watch - meanwhile, the DOJ lawsuit regarding the actual integrity of the Wisconsin voter rolls continue.

 

Attached is the lawsuit making its way through the US Federal Courts: "USA vs Wisconsin Election Commission" July 7, 2026 filing.

 

https://www.wpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/USA-v-WEC-Emergency-Motion.pdf

The net is this: DOJ believes there is significant fraud in Wisconsin voting - signing up illegals, mail in ballot abuse, etc, etc.   The DOJ is demanding unfettered access to State Drivers license records, SS#'s, that are associated with the Voter databases - so they can cross-check against fraud.  The State possesses this information on the voter rolls, but refuses to provide them to the Feds.

Excerpt from lawsuit doc:

 

Wisconsin's next federal election is rapidly approaching, the primaries set for August 11, 2026, and the general election to take place on November 3, 2026. Weeks before November 3, election officials will be mailing absentee ballots to hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin voters,

with many of those ballots potentially going to ineligible voters, fraudulent registrants, or other individuals who should not have been registered. Wisconsin voters need to know that their election is secure and that non-citizens, deceased

individuals, former residents, non-residents, and voters with multiple records are not registered to vote in that election.

 

You have my respect. Thanks.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by cubsfan

[whiskybravo]

As someone who values institutional stability to hear a president on national television challenging the legitimacy of a past election is sickening.  What is it about our system that only gives us a dangerous clown on the right or a party that doesn’t understand how the world works on the left?

[cubsfan]

5 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

As someone who values institutional stability to hear a president on national television challenging the legitimacy of a past election is sickening.  What is it about our system that only gives us a dangerous clown on the right or a party that doesn’t understand how the world works on the left?

 

A serious question. If you believed there was fraud, would you still find it sickening?

[whiskybravo]

28 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

A serious question. If you believed there was fraud, would you still find it sickening?

I’d want it proven in a verifiable way first. If there's real evidence, let's see it in court. But making those claims on national TV without proof just hurts public trust, which is what worries me.

[LC]

47 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

VERY well done @LC . The reason I admire you besides your wicked sense of humor is you won't let me slide on the facts.  I am often wrong, however embarrassing it may be.  It's more complicated than this. 

 

The CoBF board deserves and will benefit from the TRUTH - instead of slams like "Trump is a dictator", "Trump is shredding the US Constitution", etc.

 

Perhaps if we focus on facts, we get to the TRUTH - and then each members can form an opinion.

 

Yes, that is the response of the Wisconsin Election Watch - meanwhile, the DOJ lawsuit regarding the actual integrity of the Wisconsin voter rolls continue.

 

Attached is the lawsuit making its way through the US Federal Courts: "USA vs Wisconsin Election Commission" July 7, 2026 filing.

 

https://www.wpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/USA-v-WEC-Emergency-Motion.pdf

The net is this: DOJ believes there is significant fraud in Wisconsin voting - signing up illegals, mail in ballot abuse, etc, etc.   The DOJ is demanding unfettered access to State Drivers license records, SS#'s, that are associated with the Voter databases - so they can cross-check against fraud.  The State possesses this information on the voter rolls, but refuses to provide them to the Feds.

Excerpt from lawsuit doc:

 

Wisconsin's next federal election is rapidly approaching, the primaries set for August 11, 2026, and the general election to take place on November 3, 2026. Weeks before November 3, election officials will be mailing absentee ballots to hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin voters,

with many of those ballots potentially going to ineligible voters, fraudulent registrants, or other individuals who should not have been registered. Wisconsin voters need to know that their election is secure and that non-citizens, deceased

individuals, former residents, non-residents, and voters with multiple records are not registered to vote in that election.

 

You have my respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

Ah yes, the dept of justice BELIEVES...and therefore needs access to data they would otherwise not be entitled to.

 

Wasn't MAGA totally against this weaponizing the DOJ when it was the Steele dossier and all that crap? Why didn't DOGE put a stop to these wasteful, frivolous lawsuits? 

 

Otherwise, hey, I believe Trump is a rapist, therefore I need access to his blood samples, saliva samples, financial records, travel records, communication records...blahblahblah. 

 

It's all bullshit politics, let's not pretend it's anything otherwise. 

[cubsfan]

11 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

I’d want it proven in a verifiable way first. If there's real evidence, let's see it in court. But making those claims on national TV without proof just hurts public trust, which is what worries me.

 

He talked about the proof.  

 

4 states have confirmed in conjunction with the DOJ that 278,000 illegal aliens are on the voter rolls.   Extrapolate the number to another 46 states.  The majority of blue states are refusing to cooperate with the DOJ on how many illegals are on their own voter rolls - as I have posted with the Wisconsin lawsuit.

 

Trump summarized the massive fraud operation uncovered in Michigan. Democrats paying volunteers to bring in fraudulent NEW voter registrations. Will spare you the details.

 

I've have also posted about the Georgia FBI investigation and the admission of Georgia Election officials that were silenced about multiple vote counting violations.

 

In addition, DHS found 400,000 active voter registrations on 23 state voter rolls for dead people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sweet]

8 hours ago, dwy000 said:

The US voting system actually isnt a mess.  It works remarkably well with virtually no fraud. And it has been this way for a long, long time.  The only reason its even being discussed is because Trump is still focused on the delusion that he won in 2020 and therefore it must be fraud.  And like everything Trump he just spews lie after lie about it until it becomes a discussion topic despite zero evidence or proof of anything.  In fact the biggest evidence so far is Trumps own phone call asking to find votes and Musk claiming that Trump only won because of him. 

Trump absolutely is a liar, but looking from outside, the election system seems like a mess to me.  And the idea that you just shrug, when a large percentage of the electorate believe elections cannot be trusted, I think that’s a bad attitude.  Best way to own Trump on this is to tighten up voting laws and when he still loses he won’t have a leg to stand on.  But it’s not just a Trump thing, we had years of claims that the 2016 election was rigged from the Dems when Trump first won.  
 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sweet

[cubsfan]

12 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Ah yes, the dept of justice BELIEVES...and therefore needs access to data they would otherwise not be entitled to.

 

Wasn't MAGA totally against this weaponizing the DOJ when it was the Steele dossier and all that crap? Why didn't DOGE put a stop to these wasteful, frivolous lawsuits? 

 

Otherwise, hey, I believe Trump is a rapist, therefore I need access to his blood samples, saliva samples, financial records, travel records, communication records...blahblahblah. 

 

It's all bullshit politics, let's not pretend it's anything otherwise. 

 

Therefore, you believe that non-citizens, dead people, those that move out of state - can vote in Federal Elections if it is ok with the State.

 

Got it @LC!

 

The courts will determine whether States have a right to conduct fraudulent Presidential elections.

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, Sweet said:

Trump absolutely is a liar, but looking from outside, the election system looks like a mess to me.  And the idea that you just shrug, when a large percentage of the electorate believe elections cannot be trusted, I think that’s a bad attitude.  Best way to own Trump on this is tighten up voting laws and when he still loses he won’t have a leg to stand on.  But it’s not just a Trump thing, we had years of experience election was rigged from the Dems when Trump first won.  

 

100%!!  

 

May the best man win - Republican, Democratic or Independent.

 

Americans WANT a level playing field.

[aws]

Trump is selling early access to his market moving posts that he does exclusively on the platform he owns. Would love to hear anyone explain how that's not corrupt.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e466df85-fa3b-4a7f-a4a1-ae04d66db99f?shareType=nongift

 

 

[whiskybravo]

21 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

He talked about the proof.  

 

4 states have confirmed in conjunction with the DOJ that 278,000 illegal aliens are on the voter rolls.   Extrapolate the number to another 46 states.  The majority of blue states are refusing to cooperate with the DOJ on how many illegals are on their own voter rolls - as I have posted with the Wisconsin lawsuit.

 

Trump summarized the massive fraud operation uncovered in Michigan. Democrats paying volunteers to bring in fraudulent NEW voter registrations. Will spare you the details.

 

I've have also posted about the Georgia FBI investigation and the admission of Georgia Election officials that were silenced about multiple vote counting violations.

 

In addition, DHS found 400,000 active voter registrations on 23 state voter rolls for dead people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing that context. For me, it really comes down to trust. Trump makes a lot of claims that don't seem to hold up under independent scrutiny, so I just don't take his word for it. 
 

I prefer to wait for the legal process, and what convinces me is that even Trump-appointed judges and conservative Republican election officials looked at these exact claims and said there wasn't evidence to change the results. 
 

If this is really all hocus pocus, then going on national television with it is using the power of the presidency to undermine faith in the system.  

[LC]

5 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

In addition, DHS found 400,000 active voter registrations on 23 state voter rolls for dead people.

 

I remember when my late grandfather was on his deathbed, surrounded by family, his final gasp of life was something like, "Oh my children, I love you so much, I am so proud of you...but I would be just a little more proud if you remembered to de-register me from the state voter registration database immediately upon my passing! MAGA baby, Woooo!!!" 

 

I like to think my grandpops would laugh at that! 

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, whiskybravo said:

Thanks for sharing that context. For me, it really comes down to trust. Trump makes a lot of claims that don't seem to hold up under independent scrutiny, so I just don't take his word for it. 
 

I prefer to wait for the legal process, and what convinces me is that even Trump-appointed judges and conservative Republican election officials looked at these exact claims and said there wasn't evidence to change the results. 
 

If this is really all hocus pocus, then going on national television with it is using the power of the presidency to undermine faith in the system.  

 

I've met you - and I know how reasonable you are.
That doesn't mean you should trust me.

 

If I am wrong, I want to know it, even if I look like a chump.

 

I figured you will not let anyone bullshit you. 

 

And I agree - Trump can be a huge bullshitter.

 

And I totally agree about the Trump appointed judges and many other Trump "supporters" in his Executive Branch that took the easy (or flawed) way out.  

 

In 2020, leading up to the Presidential Election, I had an argument with a close friend who tried to convince me that the election COULD be stolen. 

I told him that there was NO WAY a Federal Election could ever be stolen.... and could only occur in Cook County or City of Chicago - There were far too many safeguards in Federal Elections for fraud to occur - and our Federal courts would never allow it.

 

We are going to find out - and every American should be reassured one way or another.

[73 Reds]

57 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Trump absolutely is a liar, but looking from outside, the election system seems like a mess to me.  And the idea that you just shrug, when a large percentage of the electorate believe elections cannot be trusted, I think that’s a bad attitude.  Best way to own Trump on this is to tighten up voting laws and when he still loses he won’t have a leg to stand on.  But it’s not just a Trump thing, we had years of claims that the 2016 election was rigged from the Dems when Trump first won.  
 

Yup.  Why should it take a non-resident, non-interested, fair minded person like you (@Sweet) to recognize that we have a problem?  People that don't want to acknowledge that federal elections should be done consistently, with proper identification EVERYWHERE only have one objective - to bash Trump (and to cheat).  Even his supporters admit that he lies.  He's a promoter.  I take the bad with the good - that being many ideas that all of his predecessors combined were too blind even to try.  There is one, singular metric that I use to measure Trump and his presidency:  Have the issues I care about most improved since election day?  On that score the answer is overwhelmingly yes.  

Edited 2 hours ago by 73 Reds
missed line

[whiskybravo]

11 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

I've met you - and I know how reasonable you are.
That doesn't mean you should trust me.

 

If I am wrong, I want to know it, even if I look like a chump.

 

I figured you will not let anyone bullshit you. 

 

And I agree - Trump can be a huge bullshitter.

 

And I totally agree about the Trump appointed judges and many other Trump "supporters" in his Executive Branch that took the easy (or flawed) way out.  

 

In 2020, leading up to the Presidential Election, I had an argument with a close friend who tried to convince me that the election COULD be stolen. 

I told him that there was NO WAY a Federal Election could ever be stolen.... and could only occur in Cook County or City of Chicago - There were far too many safeguards in Federal Elections for fraud to occur - and our Federal courts would never allow it.

 

We are going to find out - and every American should be reassured one way or another.

Amen brother, respect!

[cubsfan]

@whiskybravo  You might enjoy this little read from the Michigan fraud.  

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/michigan/fbimichigan-witness-interview-widespread-fake-registrations-release-marked.pdf

 

This the summary of an FBI agent's interview with a female who worked for a voter canvassing organization.  She worked for 30 days and was paid for each voter registration she turned in.  She documents her meeting with another 100 canvassers.  They were told to make up names, drivers license numbers, Social Security #'s, etc if they could not HONESTLY register someone to vote.

They were told - "Don't worry about it - much of the information they made up - will be shredded".

This organization was working state wide.

 

This town, Muskegon, is a pretty small town, and there were 100 canvassers.  They were told the "good ones" could be sent to other towns if they did a good job and continue making money. She, herself, estimated in addition to her legit sign ups, she submitted 100 fraudulent voter applications in 30 days.  "Everyone was doing it" "We were told to do it".

 

Multiple 100 canvassers in a town in Michigan by other municipalities - and you start to see the scope.

 

 

 

 

[whiskybravo]

32 minutes ago, LC said:

 

I remember when my late grandfather was on his deathbed, surrounded by family, his final gasp of life was something like, "Oh my children, I love you so much, I am so proud of you...but I would be just a little more proud if you remembered to de-register me from the state voter registration database immediately upon my passing! MAGA baby, Woooo!!!" 

 

I like to think my grandpops would laugh at that! 

Haha, this is exactly why those numbers happen. It’s just normal bureaucratic delay while families handle real life. The same bureaucratic delay that keeps tattered American and MIA flags aloft in front of my post office….for those of you anxiously waiting for follow up on this matter.

[whiskybravo]

29 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

@whiskybravo  You might enjoy this little read from the Michigan fraud.  

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/michigan/fbimichigan-witness-interview-widespread-fake-registrations-release-marked.pdf

 

This the summary of an FBI agent's interview with a female who worked for a voter canvassing organization.  She worked for 30 days and was paid for each voter registration she turned in.  She documents her meeting with another 100 canvassers.  They were told to make up names, drivers license numbers, Social Security #'s, etc if they could not HONESTLY register someone to vote.

They were told - "Don't worry about it - much of the information they made up - will be shredded".

This organization was working state wide.

 

This town, Muskegon, is a pretty small town, and there were 100 canvassers.  They were told the "good ones" could be sent to other towns if they did a good job and continue making money. She, herself, estimated in addition to her legit sign ups, she submitted 100 fraudulent voter applications in 30 days.  "Everyone was doing it" "We were told to do it".

 

Multiple 100 canvassers in a town in Michigan by other municipalities - and you start to see the scope.

 

 

 

 

 

My understanding is that it’s a witness interview from an investigation, not the investigation’s final conclusions.  Authorities ultimately concluded there were fraudulent voter registration applications submitted by canvassers trying to get paid, but local election officials flagged the suspicious registrations and there wasn’t evidence that fraudulent ballots were cast or counted because of them. 

Reminds me of Charlie’s principle: Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.

 

 

 

 

[Blake Hampton]

 

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[Blake Hampton]

Read the WSJ Cubs. The FT and The Economist are also very good.

[whiskybravo]

22 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

Read the WSJ Cubs. The FT and The Economist are also very good.

I’ve been reading these since long before you were born.  So has Cubs.

 

Widen your horizons read these: 

 

The Spectator

The New Criterion 

City Journal

National Review 

[dwy000]

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

Trump absolutely is a liar, but looking from outside, the election system seems like a mess to me.  And the idea that you just shrug, when a large percentage of the electorate believe elections cannot be trusted, I think that’s a bad attitude.  Best way to own Trump on this is to tighten up voting laws and when he still loses he won’t have a leg to stand on.  But it’s not just a Trump thing, we had years of claims that the 2016 election was rigged from the Dems when Trump first won.  
 

The key point is that the current system works.  Without any fraud. There has almost never been an issue before Trump and the only reason a portion of the population even considers fraud now is because the world's biggest liar keeps yelling it because he lost (and his cult members believe anything he says).  Publicly changing something that works because someone who lost doesnt like the outcome is not a solution, its a capitulation to lies.  After all these years there has not been a single proven case of meaningful fraud (again, except Trump asking for votes to be found).  Not one. If there IS fraud, fix the system.  But thats not the case here. 

[Sweet]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

The key point is that the current system works.  Without any fraud. There has almost never been an issue before Trump and the only reason a portion of the population even considers fraud now is because the world's biggest liar keeps yelling it because he lost (and his cult members believe anything he says).  Publicly changing something that works because someone who lost doesnt like the outcome is not a solution, its a capitulation to lies.  After all these years there has not been a single proven case of meaningful fraud (again, except Trump asking for votes to be found).  Not one. If there IS fraud, fix the system.  But thats not the case here. 

I don’t really accept your argument on a couple of grounds.

The rules are variable between states, and quite lax in general, that it makes it hard to detect fraud in the first place.

 

Fraud does occur, probably not at a level which changes elections though, but the degree is unknown because of all the mail in voting, lack of ID etc.

 

What we do know is that is a large amount of discontent with the process, and with a large population of illegal immigrants, and that more scrutiny is needed.

 

One of your arguments against tightening rules around voting, rules which many other Western democracies already have, is that you shouldn’t ‘capitulate to (Trump’s) lies’.  But that shows you are beholden to Trump and see this as a partisan issue which you must deny him a win on.  From my point of view, there is no good reason not to improve voting if you really cared about democratic integrity.