Maverick47 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, changegonnacome said: 3) No credible ground force threat ready to go in the region if air power alone failed. If you're really going for regime change, you position 200,000+ light and mechanized infantry in theater at least as a credible threat (even if you barely intended to use them). The 45,000 currently there with little equipment (& now with all our bases destroyed) can't do anything resembling Desert Storm and Iran knows that. Trump gambled on regime collapse from airpower alone with no Plan B. Good point. No flexibility results in a doubling down on a threat to use air power to destroy civilian infrastructure. Unfortunate that the folks who might be tasked with carrying out such orders are likely unaware that the presidential pardon power only covers federal crimes, not war crimes under international law.
Spekulatius Posted April 6 Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: I think we get regime change in Trumpistan (aka USA) before regime change in Iran. Praise be to Allah.
cwericb Posted April 7 Posted April 7 53 minutes ago, Red Lion said: This keeps baffling me as well. Epstien?
Red Lion Posted April 7 Posted April 7 39 minutes ago, cwericb said: Epstien? I can't handicap the politics here, but I just have an almost impossible time believing that if there was actionable evidence against DJT re: Epstein/Pedophilia that Merrick Garland wouldn't have prosecuted it. But this has certainly taken Epstein out of the headlines, so I can see why you say that, and maybe you're right. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, I'm not thinking this really helps him or the GOP in any way.
Blake Hampton Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Upon further reading of past policy, it's starting to dawn on me that a lot of the problems we're now experiencing were born from poor Republican governance. Many past decisions made by Republican-led Congresses strike me as incredibly stupid. Hopefully, our current Trump state is an apex. Guess who voted down TARP in 2008 right when our country was teetering towards economic collapse? Guess who repeatedly voted down intelligent immigration reform? Guess who has continuously cut taxes into burgeoning fiscal deficits, while at the same time cheering their own fiscal prudence? Of course those are only a few examples. There are many, many more. This is a party has completely abandoned data and logic. Makes for some dumb policy. This is the party of no more wars, free markets, and law and order folks. They get mad because the so-called "elitists" call them stupid. I wonder why? What this country really needs is a massive forced reading campaign onto Republican-led states. I'm not saying that Democrats don't produce their own stupid stuff, they do, sometimes hilariously so. But it seems to me the Republican party is operating on a whole new level of stupid.
Blake Hampton Posted April 7 Posted April 7 I live in Oklahoma. I think I'm qualified to talk about the current sorry state of the average Republican's brain capacity.
DooDiligence Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Carville saying what the majority of the country (and the world) wants to hear.
changegonnacome Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Red Lion said: This keeps baffling me as well. Yep makes little sense why he had to go before the midterms....nothing about this Iran operation was time sensitive you could have dragged talks out for months and months.....except that maybe POTUS thought he had the Golden Touch after VZ and wanted to keep going 'altering' regimes! Suspect its hubris - but somebody on his team really should have said 'hey boss, maybe we put this one on ice till Nov 5th and focus on Cuba next something goes pear shaped there the price of cuban might skyrocket but we wont killed at polling booth for that!'
cubsfan Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 hours ago, changegonnacome said: Sure except the one thing you really want to bomb away, you cant actually get at..........which is knowhow and intent. Regime change was the only endstate in Iran that actually 'worked' here because you had to remove the intent which could reactivate the knowhow. The facilities, as much as warrior Pete and Donald want you to believe, are not the problem here. Epic Fury has been a strategic mess, zoom out and there are IMO three MAJOR strategic blunders here, all knowable and within POTUS's control that are hard to forgive especially as IMO if your going to do this you want to do it once and to do it RIGHT! They are: (1) Zero public case-building. They started the only war in my lifetime with NEGATIVE voter support on Day 1 — in a democracy running 24-month election cycles and a public with a very low pain threshold. That's negligent, and it hands your opponent the polling data to persevere through a lot of hardship. (2) In his infinite wisdom Trump decided to launch the attack eight months BEFORE the midterms, before the midterms . Why not wait? This could have started Nov 4th 2026, the day after the midterm election booths closed, with a clean 24 months ahead and a President sitting in the WH not seeking re-election - thats about as perfect a domestic political environment that the US affords POTUS to sidestep the stupid short-termism of the median US voter and Trump didn't take it! Thats dumb. I'm sorry @73 Reds saying Israel was going to do something of this scale or could do something of this without us is not a credible position , it just isn't. (3) No credible ground force threat ready to go in the region if air power alone failed. If you're really going for regime change, you position 200,000+ light and mechanized infantry in theater at least as a credible threat (even if you barely intended to use them). The 45,000 currently there with little equipment (& now with all our bases destroyed) can't do anything resembling Desert Storm and Iran knows that. Trump gambled on regime collapse from airpower alone with no Plan B. What's so interesting about your post: you actually think you are privy to the intelligence information that Trump & Bibi operate on... And of course, you are not. You're just guessing, like all the talking heads on MSNBC.
DooDiligence Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Very stable genius, LOL https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2026/04/06/white-house-egg-roll-trump/
DooDiligence Posted April 7 Posted April 7 I wonder which one of the little girls he was attracted to most.
Spekulatius Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 35 minutes ago, cubsfan said: What's so interesting about your post: you actually think you are privy to the intelligence information that Trump & Bibi operate on... And of course, you are not. You're just guessing, like all the talking heads on MSNBC. Not impressed with Trump’s intelligence and propaganda. I’d rather think for myself as we all should. Edited April 7 by Spekulatius
Castanza Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: Are you drunk? Relax with the high school Reddit memes…ffs
DooDiligence Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Castanza said: Are you drunk? Relax with the high school Reddit memes…ffs LOL, you hold me to a higher standard than you do POTUS?
Marco Van Basten Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 hours ago, Maverick47 said: Good point. No flexibility results in a doubling down on a threat to use air power to destroy civilian infrastructure. Unfortunate that the folks who might be tasked with carrying out such orders are likely unaware that the presidential pardon power only covers federal crimes, not war crimes under international law. You do realize that the international law is absurd? After all, what it calls a war crime is the way wars have been fought for millennia. When everything is a war crime, nothing is. Also, as far as I know, international law is not a concept that exists in the US. If something I do is considered a capital offense in Zimbabwe, it is irrelevant as far as the US court is concerned unless it is considered a crime in the US as well.
cubsfan Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: You do realize that the international law is absurd? After all, what it calls a war crime is the way wars have been fought for millennia. When everything is a war crime, nothing is. Also, as far as I know, international law is not a concept that exists in the US. If something I do is considered a capital offense in Zimbabwe, it is irrelevant as far as the US court is concerned unless it is considered a crime in the US as well. You know how "International Law" works? Anything Israel does is against International Law. But if you are Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran - you can't possibly be a "war criminal". That's why The Hague and the United Nations is a joke.
Castanza Posted April 7 Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: LOL, you hold me to a higher standard than you do POTUS? My two year old son has higher standards than you both. I’d just appreciate it if you would stop clogging up the thread with childish memes. Act like an adult.
Spekulatius Posted April 7 Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: You do realize that the international law is absurd? After all, what it calls a war crime is the way wars have been fought for millennia. When everything is a war crime, nothing is. Also, as far as I know, international law is not a concept that exists in the US. If something I do is considered a capital offense in Zimbabwe, it is irrelevant as far as the US court is concerned unless it is considered a crime in the US as well. The international law concept exists in the USA and for example Nazis were prosecuted by international law standards. One principle of international law is that making your own laws violating fundamental principles does not protect you from prosecution by international law. Enforceability is a differnt matter but if you break intentional law it is probably a good idea not to travel too much.
LC Posted April 7 Posted April 7 He's got a point...I'd appreciate if our President didn't sexually assault dozens of women with his child rapist best friend and then to distract from it go bomb a country across the globe on behalf of religious nutjobs with bad hats. Oh and when he screws that up because he appointed an alcoholic neo-nazi to run the operation I'd also appreciate if he didn't send my neighbors kids to go die in a desert to clean up the mess.
Spekulatius Posted April 7 Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You know how "International Law" works? Anything Israel does is against International Law. But if you are Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran - you can't possibly be a "war criminal". That's why The Hague and the United Nations is a joke. Both parties of a war can be war criminals Putin most certainly is a war criminal, yet he got the red carpet treatment by Trump.
DooDiligence Posted April 7 Posted April 7 15 minutes ago, Castanza said: My two year old son has higher standards than you both. I’d just appreciate it if you would stop clogging up the thread with childish memes. Act like an adult. Just doing my part in a thread that's a gigantic shit show to begin with.
cubsfan Posted April 7 Posted April 7 4 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Both parties of a war can be war criminals Putin most certainly is a war criminal, yet he got the red carpet treatment by Trump. The Red Carpet treatment was given to Putin by Hillary & the moron Obama - with their "Russian Reset" initiative. Once they rolled that out, it was, sure go ahead and take Crimea. You can't roll out the Red Carpet anymore than that.
Mephistopheles Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Do the Trump folks: 1) Think Trump is unhinged, but that he’s better than the alternative or 2) Think he’s not unhinged
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