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[Sweet]

2 hours ago, Cigarbutt said:

A typical strategy used by conspiracy theory followers is to change the wording of the opposing view. For example to change "most" for "all".

Another strategy is to move away from a factual discussion based on rationality and to use uncertainty to move the discussion into the ideological soup.

I’m not going after ‘all’ but the ‘most’, and I listed a few that I don’t think have any factual basis.  Others include flat earth and vaccines and autism.

 

2 hours ago, Cigarbutt said:

He started to be intimidated and to receive death threats. His house had to be guarded by police cars. This lasted months...The tribal instincts behind the intimidation have had lasting effects (tangible and intangible) on him and his wife.

Is all this bullying really useful and necessary?

Absolutely not deserved.  There are crazies everywhere.

 

I have little trouble with the ‘science’ and more trouble with the communication of the science by the talking heads in the media at the time.

 

Another one I forgot was ‘ivermectin was a drug for horses’.  When ivermectin is one of the most widely administered drugs to treat helminth infections in humans.  Yes it mate have no effect on Covid, but can’t they also just say that without the animal drug crap.

 

I’m not American btw.

 

Edited May 23, 2025 by Sweet

[Blake Hampton]

4 hours ago, Pellom said:

Trump is who he is, but it's interesting to me that his self preservation instincts aren't working in the same way they did in his first term. He was deathly afraid of the market going down and people viewing him as anything other than a business genius.

 

Some of this change is natural, of course, because he's not trying to get re-elected. But much like the conversation with Biden last year, I think it is fair to wonder if Trump is not in total control of his faculties at this older age. 

 

Even before the election, I came to the conclusion that Trump supporters fell into one or both of two camps: greed and ignorance.

 

Of course, the ignorant camp far and away exceeds the greedy camp in sheer size, but it was always interesting to me how businesspeople generally assumed that Trump would be good for them. The orange man is nothing short of a sociopath, who I don't think is capable of caring about anyone outside of himself. The second that anyone gets in the way of something that he wants, in any facet of life, they become the enemy. Unfortunately, in a way that history could probably show a thousand times over, poor and desperate people looked to him like some sort of god that would deliver them from all of their problems. I'm not so certain that we've seen the end of this sort of behavior, and the really scary thing is that he could be just the beginning: Gavin Newsom is in the pipeline for 2028 democratic nominee.

 

Take a distraught populace, promise to deliver them the entire world, give them an enemy, and you'll own them.

 

Edited May 23, 2025 by Blake Hampton

[Blake Hampton]

Newsom as prez is this board's worst nightmare lol.

[cubsfan]

3 hours ago, Spooky said:

Cubs you keep saying this but what has been achieved other than tonnes of executive orders which can be reversed by the courts / next administration? This chart from JPM is interesting:

 

 

Your point is well taken. Fortunately, the power of executive orders allows the POTUS to save the destructive executive orders of the Biden Presidency. So, yeah, it works both ways.

 

And it remains to be seen if our "do nothing" Congress will do it's job for once, and start passing legislation again.

 

Definitely appreciate you posting the chart - it's very telling.

[cubsfan]

2 hours ago, james22 said:

 

Perspective is everything, and I've changed mine in recent weeks. I've begun to greatly enjoy the daily tizzies that the president and his administration send the Dems' flying monkeys in the mainstream media into because I know that it means Trump is over the target with his agenda. 

 

+1 - no doubt about. The party that loses all it's political power is in total meltdown mode, with no agenda other than "resistance".

 

It's comical to watch.

[cubsfan]

59 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

 

Even before the election, I came to the conclusion that Trump supporters fell into one or both of two camps: greed and ignorance.

 

While the Democratic Party (shrinking by the day), falls into 2 camps. Hamas lovers and Anarchists.

[changegonnacome]

 

 

I dont care what party your from - I dont care if your red or blue - in a civil advanced democracy a member of cabinet should not be dropping "Suck it" on to twitter about anything. Period. Full stop. That this post is still up 19hrs after it was published says alot about her and alot about her boss. 

[Malmqky]

33 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

 

I dont care what party your from - I dont care if your red or blue - in a civil advanced democracy a member of cabinet should not be dropping "Suck it" on to twitter about anything. Period. Full stop. That this post is still up 19hrs after it was published says alot about her and alot about her boss. 

 

Things like decorum, basic courtesy, and respect have been more and more absent from US politics for a while now, and almost completely absent this last year or two.

 

It is disappointing. 

Edited May 23, 2025 by Malmqky

[cubsfan]

^^^ When all the other party does is call you NAZI and dictator and Putin's puppet all day long, why is anyone surprised?

 

It's well earned.

[Sweet]

5 minutes ago, Malmqky said:

 

Things like decorum, basic courtesy, and respect have been more and more absent from US politics for a while now, and almost completely absent these this last year or two.

 

It is disappointing. 

 

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ When all the other party does is call you NAZI and dictator and Putin's puppet all day long, why is anyone surprised?

 

It's well earned.

Both true.  

[cubsfan]

9 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

That this post is still up 19hrs after it was published says alot about her and alot about her boss. 

 

And that is so true. Back in the McCain & Romney days, when both were extremely civil and utterly qualified and competent politicians - they would cower in fear of being called racists day after day by the Obama crowd.

 

Unfortunately, their decision to play by the civil Marquis of Queensberry rules were unsuccessful.

They kept their dignity, while losing the elections.

 

The reason the Democrats, media, and RINOs absolutely hate Trump - is because he gives it right back to them, exposing their blatant hypocrisy and despicable tactics. And he's assembled a cabinet that is absolutely unafraid of their name calling, and fights back viciously. 

 

Such is the state of American politics today. It's not changing any time soon. 

 

So hold your nose and cast your votes.

[changegonnacome]

2 minutes ago, Malmqky said:

Things like decorum, basic courtesy, and respect have been more and more absent from US politics for a while now, and almost completely absent these this last year or two.

 

It is disappointing. 

 

Yep - think Dalio talks about how 'we are with each other' as an important component of the stability that underpins democracies and the rule of law........we are slowly sliding towards a dangerous place....when discourse slides down to "suck it" or as @cubsfan says you start calling your political opponents nazis on a regular basis you either come back from it or things start to fall apart.

 

[james22]

Tit-for-tat is the only proven approach to limit bad behavior in repetitive interactions.

[james22]

2 hours ago, Blake Hampton said:

Even before the election, I came to the conclusion that Trump supporters fell into one or both of two camps: greed and ignorance.

 

Have your perceptive powers been demonstrated in any other way, Blake?

 

Investment returns? Elite schooling? High-powered job?

[Libs]

I'd like to think most Republicans (I'm one) would be fine with a 'fighter' sans all the vulgarity and coarseness. 

 

"Suck it" is just beyond the pale. Ugh.

 

As an aside, I recall the moment it became clear that Republican voters were getting fed up with the genteel Romney / McCain approach. Gingrich also ran in 2012 and in a debate was asked a silly, gotcha personal question ( I think it was about his divorce). Well, he just LIT UP  that moderator, as only Gingrich could. It was great. And guess what - he immediately shot to the top of the GOP polls. He had been floundering up to that point (and of course, he epically screwed it up from there, lol).

 

That was what GOP voters were really looking looking for; I didn't fully realize it at that moment.  But instead of an eloquent fighter we got Trump and his vulgar crew. So be it. Hopefully the next GOP crop has some class while still fighting for what amounts to mostly common sense stuff IMO.

 

(And yes, I voted for Trump and still think, warts and all, he's better than Kamala by a mile).

 

Blake: You are indeed young to have such a brutal, binary take on all Trump voters. I spouted off that kind of nonsense at your age also. But it was aimed at Clinton; who in retrospect was a decent President. Hopefully you start to see some nuance over time.

 

I know a lot of Trump voters and your characterization of them is cartoonish.

[james22]

6 minutes ago, Libs said:

I'd like to think most Republicans (I'm one) would be fine with a 'fighter' sans all the vulgarity and coarseness. 

 

Of course, but it was Democrats who ultimately choose the form of their Destructor, not Republicans.

[Hektor]

8 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

I think the 54 or 58 Boers granted asylum is a publicity stunt. There are 2.7 million Boers (based on a quick search) in SA.

Its plausible that he might be confusing SA with Zimbabwe

[Hektor]

A peek into the Crypto Dinner gala!

 

https://fortune.com/crypto/2025/05/23/trump-memecoin-dinner-nicholas-pinto-bad-food/

 

Social media influencer who attended Trump’s memecoin dinner says he got a ‘Walmart steak’—and no access to the President

Edited May 24, 2025 by Hektor

[james22]

8 minutes ago, Hektor said:

Its plausible that he might be confusing SA with Zimbabwe

 

You mean: Rhodesia.

[Hektor]

2 minutes ago, james22 said:

You mean: Rhodesia.

Yes

[LC]

2 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

Yep - think Dalio talks about how 'we are with each other' as an important component of the stability that underpins democracies and the rule of law........we are slowly sliding towards a dangerous place....when discourse slides down to "suck it" or as @cubsfan says you start calling your political opponents nazis on a regular basis you either come back from it or things start to fall apart.

 

The rhetoric follows the behavior, unfortunately.

[Blake Hampton]

2 hours ago, Libs said:

I'd like to think most Republicans (I'm one) would be fine with a 'fighter' sans all the vulgarity and coarseness. 

 

"Suck it" is just beyond the pale. Ugh.

 

As an aside, I recall the moment it became clear that Republican voters were getting fed up with the genteel Romney / McCain approach. Gingrich also ran in 2012 and in a debate was asked a silly, gotcha personal question ( I think it was about his divorce). Well, he just LIT UP  that moderator, as only Gingrich could. It was great. And guess what - he immediately shot to the top of the GOP polls. He had been floundering up to that point (and of course, he epically screwed it up from there, lol).

 

That was what GOP voters were really looking looking for; I didn't fully realize it at that moment.  But instead of an eloquent fighter we got Trump and his vulgar crew. So be it. Hopefully the next GOP crop has some class while still fighting for what amounts to mostly common sense stuff IMO.

 

(And yes, I voted for Trump and still think, warts and all, he's better than Kamala by a mile).

 

Blake: You are indeed young to have such a brutal, binary take on all Trump voters. I spouted off that kind of nonsense at your age also. But it was aimed at Clinton; who in retrospect was a decent President. Hopefully you start to see some nuance over time.

 

I know a lot of Trump voters and your characterization of them is cartoonish.

 

For context, I have a massive amount of respect for my granddad, and he voted for Trump. I'm not saying all Trump voters are evil—I'm saying they're ignorant.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a Trump supporter who really kept up with policy or had a deep understanding of Trump's character, history, worldview, or anything like that. A lot of them have reasonable concerns about the government—concerns I often agree with—but Trump is simply not a real solution for any of those problems. In fact, I believe that he massively worsens a lot of them. Some of his voters whom I'd likely respect—such as my granddad—think they're voting for the lesser of two evils, but I strongly believe they've got it backwards.

 

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), they're going to figure it out.

[Blake Hampton]

Short version: Trump is the master manipulator.

 

The problem is that no one wants to admit they've been manipulated.

[gfp]

2 hours ago, Libs said:

I'd like to think most Republicans (I'm one) would be fine with a 'fighter' sans all the vulgarity and coarseness. 

 

"Suck it" is just beyond the pale. Ugh.

 

As an aside, I recall the moment it became clear that Republican voters were getting fed up with the genteel Romney / McCain approach. Gingrich also ran in 2012 and in a debate was asked a silly, gotcha personal question ( I think it was about his divorce). Well, he just LIT UP  that moderator, as only Gingrich could. It was great. And guess what - he immediately shot to the top of the GOP polls. He had been floundering up to that point (and of course, he epically screwed it up from there, lol).

 

That was what GOP voters were really looking looking for; I didn't fully realize it at that moment.  But instead of an eloquent fighter we got Trump and his vulgar crew. So be it. Hopefully the next GOP crop has some class while still fighting for what amounts to mostly common sense stuff IMO.

 

(And yes, I voted for Trump and still think, warts and all, he's better than Kamala by a mile).

 

Blake: You are indeed young to have such a brutal, binary take on all Trump voters. I spouted off that kind of nonsense at your age also. But it was aimed at Clinton; who in retrospect was a decent President. Hopefully you start to see some nuance over time.

 

I know a lot of Trump voters and your characterization of them is cartoonish.

 

I had you pegged for a Harry Browne / Ron Paul guy!  I guess republican is as close as you get these days

[Blake Hampton]

It’s also fascinating how some people seem to tie their identity to Trump: His supporters interpret criticism of him as a personal attack.

They ought to call it The Trump Effect.