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[Luke]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ Luca - somehow you seem to think that Freedom is free. And somehow the world is safe again.

It wasn't that long ago that a good portion of Germany was under Soviet control.

 

How foolish to think it can not happen again. But IF you feel that Germany is indeed a "US Puppet",

then I hope you get your wish and you can go it alone - without NATO.

 

I doubt the Baltic states & Poland feel the same way.

Your beloved future president trump said publicly on the telly that he "encourages russia to do whatever it wants" because countries didnt pay the 2% of their GDP. How nuts can politics in the US get? This guy is not the average joe talk show man but the possible president. If that doesnt ring bells to become independent from the US i dont know what should. 

 

Freedom is not free but freedom is also not bought with sending even more heavy weapons into this conflict...russia has tactical nukes...did you somehow forget?

 

Anything can happen, thats why we have to upgrade our military, never said we shouldnt. Probably we should get access to nuclear weapons too but thats difficult. Germany does not look after its own interests and follows too much US orders, especially with trump coming up we really should look away from the US and towards stabilizing this region here without the US sending all their gear.

[Luke]

I think one part of why americans are so easily bullish for sending all sort of weapons to ukraine is because they are so far away comfy at home i think  I am sitting 2000km away from the conflict...

Edited March 11, 2024 by Luca

[cubsfan]

^^^ Like I said @Luca - good luck going it alone.

 

The world is a dangerous place. Get real.

 

IMHO - the USA and Western Europe need each other - very badly.

[Luke]

Putins billion dollar palace is a couple hundred kilometers away from crimea...who would think he would give that piece back to ukraine so the US can build a military basis on it to bomb him away at some point...xD

Edited March 11, 2024 by Luca

[Luke]

Unlikely he wants his peace disturbed! 

 

 

[Luke]

7 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

^^^ Like I said @Luca - good luck going it alone.

 

The world is a dangerous place. Get real.

 

IMHO - the USA and Western Europe need each other - very badly.

IMHO - we need russia and china badly. We can see the contracts by US LNG, we can see how trump thinks about things...nothing is free here and the US will use every way to make money off of our mistakes. Germany with a strong partnership with russia and China stands better against the economic power and coercion by the US then with the US against the two. 

[Luke]

Its seriously time to level the playingfield, we all see how much europe, china, russia etc is down as a region. Do we seriously think the US will help us here? They are more than happy to take our markets and enrich their shareholders via wall street. We should build our own high margin businesses, make the same trump tariff play, use our monopolies against the US for pressure etc...only that way we will take a better share of the cake. 

Edited March 11, 2024 by Luca

[Luke]

And Xi+Putin would be more than happy with an increase in cooperation in trades, sciences, cultural educational exchanges. Imagine China building up eurasias silk road...our talent and ressources combined here would be a massive threat against US business.

[Luke]

My friends and I learned russian in school and that was not long ago, why not include chinese too and create more exchanges? Oh but no, they are veeeeeryyy dangerousss and we should better do what the US says!

[cubsfan]

@Luca -  I really, really don't get you dude.  France & Germany are the LEADERS of Europe, not the USA. The US does not control Europe - we are an ALLY - hopefully a vital one for the interests of Europe.  If those nations want no part of the USA - they should go their own way. What is this ridiculous talk of US puppets??  That's just silly. You are sovereign nations!  

 

If you feel Germany has nothing to fear from Russia - go for it.

[Xerxes]

@Luca

 

Not related to the war, were you in Germany when this happened ? I am curious about how locals saw it. Surely this must have been an exercise of sovereignty. 

 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/germany-gold-reserves-new-york-paris/index.html

 

“In recent years, rumors and conspiracy theories circulated in Germany about its foreign gold reserves. Some fringe observers questioned whether they had been lost or otherwise compromised.

The issue eventually spilled over into mainstream politics, and the German Federal Court of Auditors asked for an inspection of foreign gold reserves in 2012.”

Edited March 11, 2024 by Xerxes

[Luke]

12 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

@Luca

 

Not related to the war, were you in Germany when this happened ? I am curious about how locals saw it. Surely this must have been an exercise of sovereignty. 

 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/germany-gold-reserves-new-york-paris/index.html

 

“In recent years, rumors and conspiracy theories circulated in Germany about its foreign gold reserves. Some fringe observers questioned whether they had been lost or otherwise compromised.

The issue eventually spilled over into mainstream politics, and the German Federal Court of Auditors asked for an inspection of foreign gold reserves in 2012.”

Yes i have been but i dont remember it being such a big deal. What i can say is that current voter estimates are pointing towards 20-25% for the alternative for germany, a right wing party that has a DEXIT, own national currency (gold backed) and stronger relations with russia on their plan. 

 

Interestingly, the AFD was sponsored in their early days partly by DEGUSSA Goldhandel (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degussa_Sonne/Mond_Goldhandel), a gold selling company that was bought by august von finck, the father of von finck was once germanies wealthiest man and called "hitlers banker" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_von_Finck_Sr.). 

 

Even stranger, the von finck family bought the rights to the name "DEGUSSA" for several millions in the early 2000, back in the nazi days the company that supplied the gas to kill the jews was also "DEGUSSA AG": https://www.hagalil.com/archiv/98/12/degussa.htm

 

So you have a right wing party, with a focus on national currency, sponsored by germanies wealthiest family of which the ancestors were significant hitler supporters and then BUY the NAME RIGHTS of the company who supplied the gas to kill jews on an industrial scale to support a right wing, nationalist party...

 

Times are interesting guys! 

Edited March 11, 2024 by Luca

[Luke]

This is where these folks live btw: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a suprise that putins lifestyle fits well with them ha! 

[Luke]

Besides that i have no opinion on gold and no position. Highly interesting to observe these connections of old generational capital...the road also leads towards russia and of course the sophisticated putin network...

[Xerxes]

53 minutes ago, Luca said:

This is where these folks live btw: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a suprise that putins lifestyle fits well with them ha! 

 

these chaps are definitely NOT buying MicroStrategy hands over fist in their tax-deferred accounts. 
 

Old Money vs. nouveux riche

[alpha]

6 hours ago, Luca said:

 Germany with a strong partnership with russia and China stands better against the economic power and coercion by the US then with the US against the two. 

 

The last time Germany and Russia partnered up, the Russian soldiers celebrated by raping 2 million German women. As far as economics go, East Germany to this day still lags West Germany by most economic metrics.

 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106687768

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/11/06/east-germany-has-narrowed-economic-gap-with-west-germany-since-fall-of-communism-but-still-lags/

[Luke]

4 hours ago, alpha said:

The last time Germany and Russia partnered up, the Russian soldiers celebrated by raping 2 million German women.

Lol, we had perfectly fine business relations with russia for decades, and got the ressources we ordered. Raping women what?

4 hours ago, alpha said:

As far as economics go, East Germany to this day still lags West Germany by most economic metrics.

 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106687768

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/11/06/east-germany-has-narrowed-economic-gap-with-west-germany-since-fall-of-communism-but-still-lags/

Never said russia should GOVERN our country, but we should have good relations with them and increase ressource trade. Culturally they also have SO much to offer...

Edited March 12, 2024 by Luca

[Dinar]

2 hours ago, Luca said:

Lol, we had perfectly fine business relations with russia for decades, and got the ressources we ordered. Raping women what?

Never said russia should GOVERN our country, but we should have good relations with them and increase ressource trade. Culturally they also have SO much to offer...

You do not seem to know your history.  During WWII, first German soldiers committed unspeakable atrocities in the former USSR, and then Soviet soldiers avenged this with mass rapes in Germany.  

[Luke]

58 minutes ago, Dinar said:

You do not seem to know your history.  During WWII, first German soldiers committed unspeakable atrocities in the former USSR, and then Soviet soldiers avenged this with mass rapes in Germany.  

That was so long ago man...i am talking about putin era

Edited March 12, 2024 by Luca

[Dinar]

13 minutes ago, Luca said:

That was so long ago man...i am talking about putin era

It is not a time long ago to anyone who grew up in the USSR, let alone like Putin in the 1950s.  As for Putin, you cannot make a good deal with a bad man, nobody who was a normal person would join KGB.  Military yes, KGB no.  It was much worse than Stasi - at least Stasi never massacred its own people by the tens of millions.  

[Luke]

Holy moly, tik tok ban more likely? :((

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-bill-ban-house-vote-af4d0800

[Sweet]

If TikTok is used to spy by China and / or used to spread Chinese misinformation then it should have been banned long ago.  After all apps like Facebook and YouTube are banned in China.

[ValueArb]

On 3/12/2024 at 5:18 AM, Dinar said:

You do not seem to know your history.  During WWII, first German soldiers committed unspeakable atrocities in the former USSR, and then Soviet soldiers avenged this with mass rapes in Germany.  

 

The problem is that Soviet soldiers weren't raping the German soldiers guilty of war crimes, avenging atrocities with more atrocities doesn't solve any problem.

 

The Japanese military committed unspeakable atrocities against civilians and soldiers, chinese and allied, but the smartest thing MacArthur ever did was to keep his troops under strict discipline, treat the conquered japanese with dignity, and limit the response to war crimes a few show trials.

 

That helped break the cycle of vengeance. Even if there were thousands of Japanese officers and leaders who got off scot free for their war crimes it helped bind the US and Japan as allies and friends despite the horrific actions both sides committed against each other during the war (fire bombings, nuclear bombs).

 

The next time we see a Russian leader behave with such intelligence, foresight, and compassion will be the first time a Russian leader has ever done so. Here's hoping that when the Ukrainian military recaptures their lost territories they channel MacArthur, not Stalin, in how they treat their defeated foes and maybe it leads to a much longer period of peace in the future.

[ValueArb]

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

Yadda yadda yadda, he is a MEMBER of an organization of which the owner is a russian. Massive mental stretch and a disgrace to Kujat to throw out these allegations.

 

He was on the board of an organization funded by an inner member of Putin's kleptocracy. Clearly he was well compensated for it, whether he was influenced by that relationship is a legitimate question. Do you think its absurd to question whether the Clintons were influenced by the Saudi giving hundreds of millions to their charitable foundation, or Trump by Saudi giving billions to fund his son in laws investment fund? 

 

This is a question I always have for Germans. How many of your political leaders do you think have been compromised by the FSB or the old Stasi? How many have long hidden ties to the USSR/Russia, both financial and philosophical, that lead them to be favorable to Putins agenda?

 

Its a legitimate question in the US for right wing Republicans that parrot Putin's talking points, are they are getting funded or supported by FSB agents? Maria Butina is just one example of an infiltrator who targeted key republican operatives and influencers, and who only got caught because she was so obvious. Its reasonable to ask how many more are out there.

 

So how is it a "disgrace" to ponder how deep FSB links penetrate German leadership and how many more Gerhard Schroeders are still in power? 

 

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

Never was and never has been, also not 10-15 years ago and before. The russian empire thesis is massively stretched and unjustifiable. The bigger problem for germany russia relations is the US and not russia itself.

 

 

I am not a military expert: The austrian army uploaded this 2 months ago, comparing to what it sometimes sounds like in the media, ukraine is in a stalemate. 

 

You will have to summarize it for me, I don't weigh the opinions of military organizations that haven't fought a war in 80 years (and lost every one over the last 150 years) very highly. And given the tiny amount of military funding in Germany and Austria, their militaries are closer to amateurs than professionals at this stage. 

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

 

You are arguing for even more deadly far range weapons, UK and france is already helping with geodata and has personal in ukraine to help them operating devices...how nuts can it get? 

 

How nuts is it that Russia fires hundreds of large warhead stand-off weapons into Ukraine at both civilian and military targets from Russia proper every single day, and you don't think that deserves any response? You just expect Ukraine to endure this endless genocidal assault, that's nuts.

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

 

You are saying russia is a threat for germany and you want us to get even more involved with directly damaging that country...how does that make sense? Yes, if we help ukraine beating russias ass and are directly involved in this war, russia will be a threat obviously...our chancelor already said that taurus is off the table due to the range etc...majority of germans against taurus too. 

 

Russia is a threat whether you fight them or not. Appeasement never works.

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

 

Pretty good summary of HOW MUCH your country is involved in that war haha! If you want to escalate further welcome to world war 3! 

 

World war 2 started in a large part because Neville Chamberlin signed a "peace" agreement instead of meeting uncontained aggression with steel. His mistake in not being willing to accept some losses early led to the deaths of nearly 100M people. 

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

 

I assume you wont get drafted and will sit at the sidelines shorting european stocks? 

 

This is a logical fallacy called an attacking the motive. I don't trade european stocks and it wouldn't matter if I did. What matters is whether a cowardly course of appeasement and abandonment of Ukraine is going to lead to better outcomes than ensuring it survives and wins, and sends a message to dictators everywhere that free countries will put aside their differences to defeat them if they invade any of them. Appeasement sends a message that they can can flip countries like dominos, one after the other, without any significant response until they are too powerful to stop. 

 

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, Luca said:

 

Do you see how negotiating, armistice and diplomacy is non existent in what you write? You are coming from an opinion standpoint that negotiation is lost and russia has to be fought actively against with a whole bunch of other countries, sizeable amount and getting close to WW2/WW1 involvment.  At the same time putin repeatedly said publicly they are willing to negotiate.

 

Japan repeatedly said they'd negotiate in 1945, but only if they were allowed to keep raping China, keep the Emperor as their supreme leader, their military and the right wing political dictatorship intact. How would that have worked out had the Allies agreed?

 

Putin has made his terms clear. He gets to keep all the territory he's stolen, rebuild his forces now far closer to Kyiv and Ukraines remaining cities, and we just have to pray he doesn't break his promise to not attack again in five years when his military is fully rebuilt. How could anyone agree to any peace that involves any of those components, its essentially surrendering the rest of Ukraine at some time in the future?

 

Why don't you outline a peace agreement that has any chance of Putins agreement that isn't simply setting up Ukraine to be fully subsumed within Russia within the decade?

Edited March 13, 2024 by ValueArb

[ValueArb]

On 3/11/2024 at 3:06 PM, Luca said:

Putins billion dollar palace is a couple hundred kilometers away from crimea...who would think he would give that piece back to ukraine so the US can build a military basis on it to bomb him away at some point...xD

 

Its amusing to me that you think the US can't strike Putin's palace any time it wants whether Ukraine controls Crimea or not. We could hit it with 100 tomahawks today if Biden gave the order. 

 

Seriously, you are justfying a genocidal war because the genocider in chief "deserves to feel more comfortable" in his klepto palace built from the sweat of Russian serfs.