K2SO Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Lucy Kellaway weighed in on this today: https://www.ft.com/content/46aaa352-ff72-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Hey is this the thread where we discuss whether or not the billionaire who remained married to a woman who galavanted around the country with other men is Insufficiently Progressive in his Gender Politics? Just want to know where to post my HotTake. Thanks in advance. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good lyching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomep Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 what I learned but the last US election is that PC can drive people to the edge....... This is complete nonsense. Excusing Trump's election by "PC drove people to the edge" is utter bull crap. At least if you said that white male entitlement drove people to vote for Trump, you might be a bit closer to truth. We should not excuse misogyny, racism, homophobia, nationalism because their restriction supposedly drove someone to the edge. This is what the alt right racists want us to do. We won't surrender. We will not go back to the time when it was OK to denigrate people based on their gender, race, skin color or nationality. And BTW this forum is becoming a swamp of alt right demagogues because of no moderation. I am not EXCUSING anything. I am just try to reconcile the election. Cos I would've never in a million years guessed that Trump could win. Yes we have a lot of pissed off white people in this country. And I was trying to explain why. Calling white people racists is not productive and doesn't help us come to some middle ground where whites and minorities can share power. Trump also got away with misogyny because women are pissed off too. They don't want to vote for educated upper class women who won't help them. The political system that helps minorities, LBGT are in effect taking attention away from the silent majority. If the dems want to win the next election they should take note. This is at least what I learned from the election. Yes Trump is a royal a*hole but hell he can win the election, I learned something from that. It not about right or wrong, its about what works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopheles Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 This thread is exactly the type of stuff Bill Maher talks about in this clip: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 This thread is exactly the type of stuff Bill Maher talks about in this clip: That was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 http://www.heforshe.org/en For gender equality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 what I learned but the last US election is that PC can drive people to the edge....... This is complete nonsense. Excusing Trump's election by "PC drove people to the edge" is utter bull crap. At least if you said that white male entitlement drove people to vote for Trump, you might be a bit closer to truth. We should not excuse misogyny, racism, homophobia, nationalism because their restriction supposedly drove someone to the edge. This is what the alt right racists want us to do. We won't surrender. We will not go back to the time when it was OK to denigrate people based on their gender, race, skin color or nationality. And BTW this forum is becoming a swamp of alt right demagogues because of no moderation. I am not EXCUSING anything. I am just try to reconcile the election. Cos I would've never in a million years guessed that Trump could win. Yes we have a lot of pissed off white people in this country. And I was trying to explain why. Calling white people racists is not productive and doesn't help us come to some middle ground where whites and minorities can share power. Trump also got away with misogyny because women are pissed off too. They don't want to vote for educated upper class women who won't help them. The political system that helps minorities, LBGT are in effect taking attention away from the silent majority. If the dems want to win the next election they should take note. This is at least what I learned from the election. Yes Trump is a royal a*hole but hell he can win the election, I learned something from that. It not about right or wrong, its about what works. Firstly, I don't think that we should appease racists in the hope that the democrats are going to win an election. These people are disgusting and should be called out. I don't think that racists had much to do with the election since I don't think that racists previously voted for Obama. I also don't think that Trump created more racists - it's just that for some reason or another they felt comfortable sharing their views and opinions at a Trump rally. Then we get to the topic of the angry white people. Yes, the American people (and not just them) have been getting the short end of the stick for a while. The white people are angrier than the minorities because the minorities are used to it but it's more a new phenomenon for the whites. Of course I don't know all the reasons why they feel angry, but it's not because of gays, regulation, ACA, Obama, or all the other nonsense. My theory is that it's growing income inequality. Allow me to elaborate. First, there is a group of people that is truly fucked. These are people that have fallen to the wayside of trends and technological progress and for one reason or another cannot be retrained and redeployed in any meaningful way. You can put your coal miner in here, guy who worked at the screw factory, etc. These are economic refugees. They're similar to people who worked at Berkshire Hathaway circa 1970. Once those mills closed they were done. You could ease their pain but only through some kind of "socialist" program. However, Trump voters were actually a fairly well off bunch. So what does a white guy in America making 80k a year is so angry about. Here is where income inequality comes in. Income inequality is usually framed in terms of what the rich are making vs what the poor are making, or how much money the the 1% makes. While those are fair points it masks reality. What most people don't realize is that income inequality is progressive. The higher you are on the income scale the higher the income inequality is and you see it. It's also been getting worse. In the past maybe the you flew coach and the rich guy flew business. But he was next to you in the security like at the airport and both were on the same plane. Now you get to fly coach and he flies private so he doesn't even share the same air with you. That's why Trump voters are angry. This anger doesn't have anything to do with PC. But PC can be annoying. So let's scapegoat that, give people something to rail against. When you're angry it feels good to yell. Moreover the whatever solutions would help things would be quite wonky and don't lend themselves well to slogans - but I'm not a marketer. On the other hand, gather a bunch of angry people, say Make America Great Again, let them vent and yell and they feel a little better. That is a marketing strategy. That works in the moment even though you will do nothing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Rat Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I am not EXCUSING anything. I am just try to reconcile the election. Cos I would've never in a million years guessed that Trump could win. Yes we have a lot of pissed off white people in this country. And I was trying to explain why. Calling white people racists is not productive and doesn't help us come to some middle ground where whites and minorities can share power. Trump also got away with misogyny because women are pissed off too. They don't want to vote for educated upper class women who won't help them. The political system that helps minorities, LBGT are in effect taking attention away from the silent majority. If the dems want to win the next election they should take note. This is at least what I learned from the election. Yes Trump is a royal a*hole but hell he can win the election, I learned something from that. It not about right or wrong, its about what works. What is this about white folk? EVERYONE either is or should have been pissed off with prior administrations which did nothing for anyone except those with access. I mean, doesn't this stuff bother non-white people too?: 1) Trillions spent on the hellhole that is ME 2) While bombing or droiding the hell out of them. 3) Those trillions not spent locally 4) The 2nd most important thing our govt should do for us, after defense, is infrastructure. Where? What's been done? and the list could go on and on with drug use, crime, Wall st, healthcare, etc., etc., etc. AFAIC, everyone bitching about Trump has successfully had the wool pulled over their eyes. They are now accomplices to the deep state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 And there is a post that is not tethered in reality, doesn't add anything, but does hit a lot of the buzz words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racemize Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Why is this thread still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The devolution is nearly complete, racemize. Politics, to gender, to race...we just need to hit religion in order to reach rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In honor of International Womens Day: http://710wor.iheart.com/onair/mark-simone-52176/watch-what-happens-when-a-muslim-15616059/#ixzz4apiI8Q3O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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