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We could be in the midst of the first fear-based investment bubble in American history, with the masses buying in not out of avarice, but from a mentality of abject terror. Robots, software and automation, owned by Capital, are notching new victories over Labor at an ever accelerating rate. It’s gone parabolic in recent years – every industry, every region of the country, and all over the world. It’s thrilling to be a part of if you’re an owner of the robots, the software and the automation. If you’re a part of the capital side of that equation. If you’re on the other side, however – the losing side – it’s a horror movie in slow motion. The only way out? Invest in your own destruction. In this context, the FANG stocks are not a gimmick or a fad, they’re a f***ing life raft. Market commentators rhetorically ask aloud what multiple should investors pay to own the technology giants. That’s the wrong question when people feel like they’re drowning. What multiple would you pay to survive? Grab a raft. https://thereformedbroker.com/2017/10/16/just-own-the-damn-robots/

No, not trading. Just interested, and moreso when jumping as much as it has overnight lately.

24hr trading is killing my sleep.

Is Nubank speculating in crypto?

Your parents will probably unknowingly own BTC in their Target Retirement fund before they ask you about it.

Too early for FOMO yet, I think. Most oblivious or still unconvinced. More probably just (ETF) demand > supply. FOMO only maybe once surpasses ATH ($69k)? Inflation-adjusted ATH ($80k)? $100k?

Why not Bitcoin? Buffett’s strong anti-crypto stance may change after reviewing the firm's performance in 2023. The top performing investment in 2023 for Berkshire Hathaway was a Brazilian fintech Nu Holdings Ltd.. The company owns Nubank, a neobank that offers credit cards and banking as well as crypto trading for users. It offers 15 different tokens, as well as its own utility token called Nucoin. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-buffett-warming-bitcoin-berkshire-213010874.html

It's beginning.

I think the risk-reward proposition for Bitcoin in the year 2024 is better than any other time in the history of the asset. Saylor

Chainalysis found that only 0.34% [$24.2B] of the transaction volume with cryptocurrencies in 2023 was attributable to criminal activity. https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2024-crypto-crime-report-introduction/ Research suggests that illicit activities in the EU generated about €110 billion in 2010 – or around 1% of the EU’s GDP. https://transparency.eu/priority/financial-flows-crime/

Josh Brown just guessed the mystery stock BRK is buying is Amazon.

It's not a bubble, it's an adoption curve.

Criminals don't trust anybody, but they trust Bitcoin.

$606 From $480 when swooned after the ETF launch to just recently at $700. Took me some time to get comfortable with the position sizing (I'd been uninterested in BTC before the ETF approval, and I'm somewhat risk-averse since retired). Just seems a pretty unique opportunity - not often a new asset class comes around. Still seems early enough to get in (before BTC hits its ATH). And it's unlikely the entry point will matter much in the long run anyway. BTC will most likely do either really, really well or really, really poorly.

Check the MSTR thread. Since the Bitcoin ETFs approval, I've come around.

35% BRK 15% MSTR 15% IT (VITAX) 15% SV (VSIAX) 10% Energy/Utilities (VELX) 10% ITT (VFIUX)

You'll buy BTC at the price you deserve, Luca.

As I believe I mentioned in the MSTR thread, maybe it helps to think of the ETF approval as the Bitcoin IPO? It was certainly uninvestable for me before then. But even better, because we can see how it's performed despite the difficulty acquiring and holding, the off-putting cultism, the naive hype, the Fudd resistance, the threat of being outlawed, the bad actors, the fraud, etc. - all the fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

There certainly was awareness during the last run-up. But less so this time.

This thread pretty good evidence we're still very, very early? Value investor or not, this is still an individual investment forum, one that recognizes "special situations." If BTC has no interest here (yet), imagine how far behind most index investors are. Unacceptable Topics Greater Fool Investing Strategies Eventually, one runs out of greater fools. - Burton Malkiel Discussions of investment strategies based on securities or physical assets that have no underlying value or negative expected long term returns are prohibited. Examples include: cryptocurrencies; lottery tickets; tulip bulbs; Ponzi, pyramid, and multi-level marketing schemes; affinity frauds; and market manipulation schemes. https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/rules LOL

Anyone else change their mind? I'm now convinced and at 10%, planning to go to 15% tomorrow. Not often a new asset class is created.

It's easy to overthink this, Cigarbutt. Which institutions? Not the financial institutions that fought the government to create the product. They aren't in wait-and-see mode, they are looking to sell that product (and other financial institutions as well as soon as they can satisfy the due diligence requirements). The government institutions may be in wait-and-see mode, but the financial institutions didn't spend billions to bring the product to market to easily give it up. That seems unlikely. Best hope is forcible reform as voters grow increasingly unhappy as they become increasingly aware. Krüger painted a compelling picture where individuals, previously unexposed to cryptocurrency, will begin to view Bitcoin as an integral component of their retirement planning strategy. He believes that the asset will likely be included in millions of 401(k) plans. This inclusion could lead many to align their views on financial dissatisfaction with the realization that Bitcoin offers an exceptional alternative to traditional financial systems. https://ambcrypto.com/binances-net-balance-brings-cheer-to-investors-as-bnb-crosses-300/ I'd respectfully disagree. Whatever the reason for its existence, it's not what's driving price action today (FOMO). Seems enough to recognize the supply/demand imbalance. That said, my copy just showed up and I'm looking forward to reading.