Jump to content

boilermaker75

Member
  • Posts

    1,872
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by boilermaker75

  1.  

    Could you give an example where you can make money in engineering by convincing people you are right?

     

    Let me show an example of my own experience why I don't think this could typically be possible in engineering, at least not for long.

     

    My first job as an engineer was in 1976 working at Intel. I was designing microcomputers. In those days two engineers designed the whole chip. It would come back from fab and we would test it and not everything worked. If I tried to convince anyone else that it worked, it wouldn't be too long before the truth was known. Once we "claimed" it was working it had to go to reliability testing and my lie would soon be discovered. I would probably then be out of a job and no longer making money from engineering. Instead the two of us had to figure out what didn't work, fix the design and resubmit to fab. We usually had to go through this several times before we got it working, after which it would then go to reliability testing and eventually to production.

     

     

    I was debating whether I should continue discussion about engineering.  Here I'll try to clarify some of my meaning. And I know I make generalizations using not the greatest choice of words.  So don't take all that I have said too literally.  I exaggerate a bit and that's mt way of ranting I guess. But regarding examples of making perception the goal. I think the best example is Elizabeth Holmes.  She has had a cool college project for 12years now. Suppose she made financial gain including perks of 300k a year. That's about 2.4M in 12yrs after tax.  And how did she do it?  by getting investors to part with their money by claiming that she can do hundreds of blood tests with a nano vial.  She has not shown concrete proof that she can do it and even if - that's a huge if - she does show proof future it is irrelevant.  She already made $2.4M in salary.  Pretty good for a nobody before she did this. Many engineers will perpetuate some belief as long as possible, and if they are shown to be total BS just move on to another job.  Typically engineers are small fish and their new employers will not know of their bad reputations.

     

    Ok now back to your particular experience with Intel. Intel is a case in point.  In 1976 Intel may have been what? 200 employees? Today there are probably 5000 doing your type of work today (I am not talking about fab stage or even back-end) I am just talking about design and implementation front-end.  Say Intel at any given time is doing 50 chips, with 2 completing designs on each.  The employees work on average 2 designs. That is still 100 employees per chip design.  You can pin the blame on 2 people as in your case, but hardly with 100. Even if you can pick out 2 out of that 100, the other 98 can still hide.

     

    And I think about 90% of chip designs never become anything close to product.  So the above example is only for 10% of cases. The people working on the other 90% must work hard also right? They don't know their        product will get cancelled, or do they? Engineers are rarely idle so high level management will keep projects going months after they've be written off.  As you get closer and closer to cancellation, more people can guess or know about it.  What is their mentality when they know what they're working on is useless?  And possible layoff is in the future? You don't work hard and honestly and you promise the world!  Heck if it doesn't work management isn't going to get on your case anyway.  You are just thinking about looking good so you don't get cut.

     

    Intel recently laid off 12000 folks. I know roughly which department got it. So you and I should ask ourselves, WTF were these 12000 people doing? Intel isn't exactly poor. They weren't doing the type of work you were doing that's for sure!

     

    Back in 1999 I heard a lowly engineering from Nortel tell me that Nortel was buying startups just to prop up the stock price, not because those startups did anything useful.  I was shocked at the time but now I know he was right.  If you were in one of those startups and you felt that, what is your attitude.  What is the rational thing to do when becoming a millionaire hinges not on making a product let alone making sales but on perception.

     

    Chipmaking these days is not a very creative industry. A lot of it is execution and speed.  So there can be entire departments whose jobs is to help designers improve the speed. Yet they actually do nothing useful! And they can make false claims because they aren't really related to the quality of the end product. And if I say they slow us down, they can deny it and say it is my fault or someone else's fault.

     

    I haven't given you concrete examples of BS in chip making but you can see how it can happen. I can give you very concrete examples but I don't really want to, its too upsetting, also I have to get back to work!

     

    OK, i understand where you are coming from. It is a question of how long before the deception is discovered. In the situation at Intel back in the seventies it would not have been long, a few months maybe. As an aside, even though Intel was only 8 years old when I joined there were already 6000 employees. It is possible that only 200 were over 30 years old! It sure seemed that way.

     

    I guess an example is Theranos, which took a long time to discover. This whole company had to be a part of the deception. I wonder how much was intentional and how much was self-deception? I guess the courts will try to decide that.

  2. I don't understand why you wouldn't get the digital version of Barrons/WSJ on your iPhone/iPad.

     

    I subscribe to the WSJ digitally and it's constantly being updated with breaking news etc. And a lot of the articles are archived if you need to access later. If you're really worried you could always use Instapaper for another means of archiving articles.

     

    I get both. Since I am an educator I get the print and digital as a package deal for $99 a year.

  3. This is why my heart has checked out of engineering, though it still pays the bills. I want to put my heart more into VALUE investing because I feel the results are more inline with truth.

     

    ROFL.  ;D  ::)  :D  ;D

     

    OK, sorry man. You want the truth? Investing is way way way way way more away from truth than engineering is, was or will ever be.

     

    Engineering is at least measurable and actually measured in good organizations. Investing? Well, 99% if not more investors don't add any value. Even on this forum, I'd guess more than 50% of already 1%'ers don't add any value. Discussions here? The truth? LOL. It's all agendas and biases and p3n15 size and all that. Even the best investors just push their agenda and run their book.

     

    You see this is such a situation.  I don't know if are to put it politely: just egging me on or if you truly don't get what I said.

     

    Best investors push the agenda? to who do I push my agenda? Personal investing is a solitary job, it is convincing yourself.  If you push some BS agenda to yourself then its called denial.

     

    Maybe my explanation is just off, tell you what, save me the thought watch Big Short, and go to the part where the austic Michael Burry says in response to "are you being sarcastic", something to the effect "I don't know how to lie I don't know how to BS I don't know how to be sarcastic all I know is numbers....."

     

    Or go to the part where the Frontpoint team is introduced and how they in effect think everyone else is a moron and they are right and make money off being right.

     

    [edit] ok I fired off that response too soon, what I mean is:

     

    in investing your own money: you get paid if your bet is right (truthful whatever adjective you want)

     

    in engineering you make money convincing others you are right....... to a certain extent

     

    Could you give an example where you can make money in engineering by convincing people you are right?

     

    Let me show an example of my own experience why I don't think this could typically be possible in engineering, at least not for long.

     

    My first job as an engineer was in 1976 working at Intel. I was designing microcomputers. In those days two engineers designed the whole chip. It would come back from fab and we would test it and not everything worked. If I tried to convince anyone else that it worked, it wouldn't be too long before the truth was known. Once we "claimed" it was working it had to go to reliability testing and my lie would soon be discovered. I would probably then be out of a job and no longer making money from engineering. Instead the two of us had to figure out what didn't work, fix the design and resubmit to fab. We usually had to go through this several times before we got it working, after which it would then go to reliability testing and eventually to production.

  4. After years of no problems with morning delivery of the WSJ, it stopped being delivered. After complaining for weeks, WSJ is now delivered to me via US mail. It comes the same day, just not in the morning. I just recently received an email from WSJ that starting May 31 I would start getting it again by early morning delivery. I'll see how that goes.

     

    Like someone else mentioned, my first job was delivering newspapers. Great learning experience, especially trying to collect from customers! Every customer had a ticket, which I had a duplicate of, and I would punch the weeks for which I collected on my ticket, and theirs. Amazing how many people would argue they had paid when their tickets weren't punched. I loved using that coin changer I wore around my waist when I went collecting.

  5. From Ross Perot's Biography.

     

    "I clearly remember the day that Margot and I shopped for her engagement ring. We bought it in Baltimore at Tyson's Jewelers. It cost eight hundred dollars. That almost cleaned out my bank account, but it was worth every penny."

     

    Members of this board probably don't have the ability to find a wonderful woman and see that a wife is a great investment.

     

    Who run the world, girls - Beyonce.

     

    "She's so fine, there's no tellin' where the money went," Robert Palmer.

  6. rk - what is your opinion of the quality of German made vehicles? I think they have the lowest quality of any manufacturer at the moment. I have heard from both BMW and Volkswagen owners. However, these brands are doing extremely well in the US - contributing to 75B trade deficit with Germany.

     

     

    We have had several German made cars (VW and Mercedes) and have found them to be of low quality. More details in this post,

     

    http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/investment-ideas/tsla-tesla-motors/960/

  7. I have zero advice on getting an office type job, but I'd encourage a more blue collar summer job.

     

    I painted houses one year and it was an excellent experience.  We were paid a bonus by how fast we worked and how well the job was done.  We could work as many hours as we wanted and to a college kid the cash was just rolling in.  The job was great, it taught me discipline, how to work hard, and that hard work often results in monetary gain.  I also learned a skill that's useful even now as an adult.

     

    Another summer I worked in an auto parts factory.  The money was decent, the work was boring, but it gave me a perspective I could have never received otherwise.  I got to know fellow workers, I understood why they had careers in a factory, and learned the types of things I should avoid in life if I didn't want to find myself stamping out car doors the rest of my life.

     

    College graduation in a decent field is practically a guaranteed coffee grabbing, cube sitting type job.  Use the summers in college to gain experience you'd never get otherwise.  Your kid seems like he might enjoy something off the beaten path.

     

    I totally agree. For two summers when I was in college I worked for my city's street department, which meant riding on the back of a garbage truck. Talk about something that will motivate one to study!

  8. I've read dozens of books on valuation and investing. One that I happen to be reading now is "F Wall Street" by Joe Ponzio. While the title and marketing for the book are not attractive to me, the content is actually quite good. Ponzio steps through how to arrive at Owner Earnings (Warren Buffett's view on earnings that is cash-based and so the results as you would see them were you the owner of the enterprise). He also steps through how to estimate the intrinsic value of a company (also a WEB reference to the discounted cash flow model), which is a rational alternative to just "going with your gut". He actually gets both of these approximately right (which is more than you can say for many such attempts at emulating Warren Buffett).

     

    I think that you could do much worse than this book as a starting place for thinking about how to value a company. He gives a few examples also, which is always necessary for me to truly internalize a concept.

     

    Happy reading!

     

    alpha23

     

    Another engineer, electrical, here.

     

    I stumbled on Joe Ponzios's blog when he first started it, which was before his book. Unfortunately he hasn't posted since mid-2011,

     

    http://www.fwallstreet.com

  9. I always file tax early, in late Feb or early March.

     

    Possibly OT: IB amended their 1099 on Feb 22. I was lucky that I did not file last week. Amendments suck. Hopefully they are done. I'll probably wait couple more weeks though.

     

    I did my taxes this weekend, but I am waiting till April to file in case my brokers amend anything and because Turbotax continually has software updates.

  10. What's the advantage of using the desktop version instead of online version other than the ability to import IB 1099?

    The online version is able to remember last year's loss carry-forward, though I know I can just manually do that myself.

     

    I don't know. I have never looked at the on-line version.

     

    I started using MacInTax at least 15 years ago, so I am just used to going with the desktop version.

  11. Although I don't know what the problem was, I was able to get my IB data imported into Turbotax. I was downloading the IB 1099 using Safari, which would not import to TurboTax. When I switched to Firefox the downloaded IB 1099 would import to TurboTax.

     

    For you Mac users, the exact same issue, and fix, this year when trying to download, and then import into TurboTax, the IB TXF file. Actually I had to search for this post of mine from last year to remember how I got it to work.

  12. In the US? No. I suspect this selling is being fuelled by SWFs liquidating some of their holdings which is creating volatility and selling pressure, which is making people nervous and fearful, which ends up fuelling more selling (margin calls, MF redemptions, HF liquidations, fear based selling etc). All I'm reading is people trying to find reasons for why we're headed for a crisis but coming up with nothing substantial, but the market is worried, so anything negative will get more legs than it should. This episode does seem to point out how fragile market liquidity is in the post QE, post Dodd-Frank world, there's been a lot of sharp, bizarre selloffs. Anyways, this is just a best guess. Glad I'm not a macro guy, so difficult to know if you're making the right connections.

     

    So this market drop is all because of single white females liquidating their portfolios?

     

    Seriously, what are SWFs?

     

     

    Sovereign Wealth Funds

     

    Of course, thanks!

  13. In the US? No. I suspect this selling is being fuelled by SWFs liquidating some of their holdings which is creating volatility and selling pressure, which is making people nervous and fearful, which ends up fuelling more selling (margin calls, MF redemptions, HF liquidations, fear based selling etc). All I'm reading is people trying to find reasons for why we're headed for a crisis but coming up with nothing substantial, but the market is worried, so anything negative will get more legs than it should. This episode does seem to point out how fragile market liquidity is in the post QE, post Dodd-Frank world, there's been a lot of sharp, bizarre selloffs. Anyways, this is just a best guess. Glad I'm not a macro guy, so difficult to know if you're making the right connections.

     

    So this market drop is all because of single white females liquidating their portfolios?

     

    Seriously, what are SWFs?

  14. I'd forgot Stewart. Funny.

     

     

     

    Our bottom line result is that perfect foresight has great returns, but gut-wrenching drawdowns. In other words, an active manager who was clairvoyant, and knew ahead of time exactly which stocks were going to be long-term winners and long-term losers, would likely get fired many times over if they were managing other people’s money.

     

    http://blog.alphaarchitect.com/2016/02/02/even-god-would-get-fired-as-an-active-investor/

     

    Do you remember this one? I find it just as funny,

     

  15. Just finished The Evolution of Everything: How New Ideas Emerge.

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Everything-How-Ideas-Emerge-ebook/dp/B00U1T9OSO/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454436288&sr=1-1&keywords=ridley

     

    I liked it, but it matched the model I already have of how things work. Most great innovations, events, discoveries, etc. actually result from an evolutionary process and not the result of some great plan. No plan survives the first encounter with the enemy.

  16. I've used H&R Block every year since 1996 (It was called Taxcut back then).  I've never tried anything else, before that I did my taxes by hand on paper forms.

     

    I was a long-time user of Turbo Tax Deluxe until last year when they moved the stock gain/loss functionality to the Premiere version which cost about $80.  I switched to H&R Block software for about $30 and was able to import my Turbo Tax data from the prior year.  Turbo Tax and HR Block software are almost the same in ease of use, but the price difference was huge.

     

    I was not happy when TurboTax moved the stock gain/loss to Premier but I continued to use TurboTax because of importing data from previous years. I did not know you could import data from TurboTax into H&R Block. I already bought Turbotax for 2015 but next year I'll take a serious look at H&R Block.

×
×
  • Create New...