Guest hellsten Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Europe is cheap compared to the US stock market, so it's probably a good idea to start a new thread where I hope we can discuss European stocks. How do people here find good ideas in Europe? Any blogs or forums you subscribe to? Who do you coattail? What are your favorite stocks in Europe right now? Coattailing US investors is easy, because there's a lot of value investors and information about US stocks. In Europe there is no Warren Buffett to coattail and all the information is in 24+ different languages. The best source of coattailing ideas is in my opinion Bestinver because they have a good track record and publish their holdings. Guy Spier is also a good source of information. Flinvest doesn't publish their holdings as far as I know. Mechanical investing is what I'm looking at right now. I'm going through a list of European stocks a screener indicates are cheap. I'm including the list here in case someone is interested: Conduril - Engenharia, S.A. Portugal Grupo Media Capital SGPS, S.A. Portugal Ascopiave S.p.A. Italy Esprinet S.p.A Italy Acsm-Agam S.p.A. Italy Plastika Kritis S.A. Greece Engineering Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A. Italy Sumol + Compal S.A. Portugal Tesmec S.p.A. Italy DADA S.p.A Italy Ebro Foods S.A. Spain Cofina SGPS, S.A. Portugal La Doria SpA Italy Plaisio Computers S.A. Greece Adveo Group International, S.A. Spain GR Sarantis SA Greece Generale Mobiliare Interessenze Azionarie S.p.A. Italy Enel S.p.A. Italy Cementos Molins S.A. Spain Sonaecom, SGPS, S.A. Portugal De' Longhi S.p.A. Italy Atlantia SpA Italy Safilo Group S.p.A. Italy Obrascon Huarte Lain SA Spain Emak SpA Italy Stocks are ranked based on criteria like earnings yield, ROIC, P/B and 5-year ROIC. Conduril is known by many here as a value stock. It's interesting to see it at the top of the list even after a huge run up. I went through the whole list and found quite a few interesting stocks. Grupo Media Capital is cheap but can you even buy this stock? GR Sarantis SA is owned by Fairfax. Generale Mobiliare Interessenze Azionarie is really interesting: "Generale Mobiliare Interessenze Azionarie SpA is an Italy-based investment holding company. The Company is primarily involved in the management of the concession for the creation and operation of two airports in the zone area of Rome in Italy: the Leonardo da Vinci Airport of Fiumicino and the G Pastine Airport of Ciampino. " Enel SpA is boring and stable. One of GMO's bigger holdings in Europe: "Enel SpA is an Italy-based company engaged in the utilities sectors. It produces, distributes and sells electricity and natural gas. It operates a range of hydroelectric, thermoelectric, nuclear, geothermal, wind-power, photovoltaic and biomass power stations." Sonaecom I'm familiar with through Bestinver: "Sonaecom SGPS SA is a Portugal-based holding company primarily engaged in the telecommunication industry" Atlantia's is a toll-road operator and sounds like a good business: "Atlantia S.p.A. (formerly Autostrade S.p.A.) is an Italian holding company whose primary asset is Autostrade per l'Italia, the largest concessionaire on the Italian autostrade network. Another subsidiary of Atlantia, Autostrade of Virginia, is a member of the consortium that operates the Dulles Greenway." Analyst reports: http://www.borsaitaliana.it/documenti/studi.htm?filename=94741.pdf http://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/azioni/elenco-completo-studi-societari.html?isin=IT0003506190&lang=en&page=2 "Atlantia's largest single shareholder with around 38% of the company is Sintonia, an investment vehicle of the Benetton family."~Wikipedia Another interesting company is Safilo Group. This company has also been featured on value investing blogs if I remember correctly: "Safilo Group S.p.A. is an Italian company that designs, produces and distributes prescription frames, sunglasses, sports eyewear, ski goggles, ski and cycling helmets under its own five house brands and twenty two licensed brands."~Wikipedia Most of these stocks are near 52-week highs… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Hi hellsten - nice post, thanks. I've been looking at TEF - Telefonica S.A. Thanks, Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frog03 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Flinvest does publish their top holdings monthly (thru email) but you need to be acknowledged as an ower to receive the mail. Moneta Micro Entreprises has, as far I as know, the very best record of any mutual fund in Europe but is now closed. They also disclose their top positions monthly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ajc Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 There are some good blogs out there as well. I think two of the best are Wexboy Value (http://wexboy.wordpress.com/) mostly for English and Irish stocks, and Value And Opportunity (http://valueandopportunity.com/) which focuses more on continental Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augustabound Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 There are some good blogs out there as well. I think two of the best are Wexboy Value (http://wexboy.wordpress.com/) mostly for English and Irish stocks, and Value And Opportunity (http://valueandopportunity.com/) which focuses more on continental Europe. Also Richard Beddard, The Share Sleuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constructive Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Some of the European companies on my watchlist include: AFK Sistema SSA.L Deutsche Balaton BBH.FRA Altamir LTA.PAR ABC Arbitrage ABCA.PAR Sagicor SFI.L Lancashire LRE.L Aegon AEG Akka Technologies AKKA.PAR Docdata DOCD.AEX Next Radio TV NXTV.PAR Cairo Communications CAI.MIL Gaumont GAM.PAR Bahnhof BAHN B.STO Lukoil LUKOY Gazprom OGZD.L TGS Nopec Geophysical TGS.OSL Bonheur BON.OSL Porsche POAHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkminute Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Anyone knows a good European stock screener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Look at the I, G, & S utilities for yield, & oil/drugs for growth ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txitxo Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I also own Ascopiave, La Doria, Adveo, Sonaecom. I try to buy near 52-w highs too. If you think that the eurozone won't split apart, this is a secular opportunity to buy European stocks. I am pretty sure we will still have some hiccups along the way, but this is not a Japanese-like crisis as most people fear. For instance, in Japan the CAPE was over 80 at the peak of the Japanese bubble, and stayed over 20-something until recently. Only now is getting to reasonable valuations, around 16. That's why I started selling FFH after Merkel won the election again and I'm putting that money into Europe. We have what value investors look for: fear and cheap stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constructive Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Anyone knows a good European stock screener? http://markets.ft.com/screener/customScreen.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I also own Ascopiave, La Doria, Adveo, Sonaecom. I try to buy near 52-w highs too. Interesting. txitxo, do you buy near 52-week highs because statistics has shown that it's best to buy value stocks then (i.e. momentum)? My first thought was to avoid the stocks that have gone up 100%+ in a year. Also, do you filter the list the screener gives you based on your own criteria (e.g. quality), or do you invest in what the screener gives you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I continue to hold and like aeg (Aegon), phg (Philips) and ire (Bank of Ireland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter buffet Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I recommend you the following : Amiral Gestion in french: http://www.amiralgestion.fr/Actualites/lettres.php Ennismore in english with an interesting monthly letter! http://www.ennismorefunds.com/documents/OEIC/OEIC%20-%20Most%20Recent%20NL.pdf Les daubasses, in french also and you need to pay to see their move and their portfolio: http://www.daubasses.com/ A new blog here in English: http://wertartcapital.com/ Good search. For your information, in my portfolio I have the following stocks in Europe: Eni : Gaz Resilux: Packaging Saft: Battery Credit Agricole, Banca Intesa: Bank Dietereen: with a good franchise Belron who own Autoglass in the US for example. cci ile et vilaine, atlantique vendee and languedoc: regional bank of the group credit agricole. Bijou Brigitte: retail jewelry fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txitxo Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I also own Ascopiave, La Doria, Adveo, Sonaecom. I try to buy near 52-w highs too. Interesting. txitxo, do you buy near 52-week highs because statistics has shown that it's best to buy value stocks then (i.e. momentum)? My first thought was to avoid the stocks that have gone up 100%+ in a year. Also, do you filter the list the screener gives you based on your own criteria (e.g. quality), or do you invest in what the screener gives you? I basically try to use criteria which improve performance in backtesting, and for which I understand the reason. I was very reluctant to add momentum to the value+quality mix, but it seems to work very well eliminating value traps. The best parameter I've found for momentum is the 52-w high. Note that does not tell you how much the stock went up in the last year, just that it is close to the maximum. The rationale behind that parameter is that when something has had a bad press for a long time (as cheap stocks do) usually it pauses for a while, or even rebounds down a little when it breaks the previous 52-w high. I generate my own rankings from the screener output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indythinker85 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Anyone knows a good European stock screener? http://markets.ft.com/screener/customScreen.asp Thanks for this screener. I bought the Russian ETF in late 09 and again recently. Obviously Russia is tough country to invest in but I was looking at the screener and some names are absurdly cheap. Im thinking of a basket of stocks after I speak to some value guys there. Anyone else investing in Russia. Iv only seen a few write ups or sell side research on any specific names (besides Gazprom) http://contrarianedge.com/2013/10/11/germany-europe-and-mother-russia-excerpts-from-valuex-vail/ http://www.marketfolly.com/2013/09/harvey-sawikins-pitch-on-gazprom-neft.html http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/10/kerrisdale-capital-profits-herbalife-buys-russian-bank%E2%80%8F/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Duro Felguera is an interesting spanish company to look at. Aggreko Plc has lost 35% from its top. Still not deep value, but a wonderful company with big moat. Worldwide leader in its sector by far. CIR (Bestinver is large shareholder) also still cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Moneta Micro Entreprises has, as far I as know, the very best record of any mutual fund in Europe but is now closed. They also disclose their top positions monthly as well. Thanks. I'm now a subscriber to their newsletter. They are not as concentrated as I would like. Only 38% of the portfolio is in the top 10 stocks: http://www.moneta.fr/lettre_trimestrielle_MME.pdf http://www.moneta.fr/prospectus_simplifie_MME.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I recommend you the following : Amiral Gestion in french: http://www.amiralgestion.fr/Actualites/lettres.php Ennismore in english with an interesting monthly letter! http://www.ennismorefunds.com/documents/OEIC/OEIC%20-%20Most%20Recent%20NL.pdf Les daubasses, in french also and you need to pay to see their move and their portfolio: http://www.daubasses.com/ A new blog here in English: http://wertartcapital.com/ Good search. For your information, in my portfolio I have the following stocks in Europe: Eni : Gaz Resilux: Packaging Saft: Battery Credit Agricole, Banca Intesa: Bank Dietereen: with a good franchise Belron who own Autoglass in the US for example. cci ile et vilaine, atlantique vendee and languedoc: regional bank of the group credit agricole. Bijou Brigitte: retail jewelry fantasy. Thanks. I learnt about XING through Ennismore. Too bad they don't have an option for subscribing to their newsletter. I also found this article through one of the blogs you mentioned: European Investing: Exclusive Insights and Ideas http://www.beyondproxy.com/eis13/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Anyone knows a good European stock screener? Two other screeners are discussed in this blog post: http://valueandopportunity.com/2013/09/10/a-quick-look-at-the-stockopedia-screening-tool-quantitative-value-investing-data-quality/ Data quality seems to be an issue with many screeners… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skanjete Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Duro Felguera is an interesting spanish company to look at. Aggreko Plc has lost 35% from its top. Still not deep value, but a wonderful company with big moat. Worldwide leader in its sector by far. CIR (Bestinver is large shareholder) also still cheap. Steph, Can you tell us something more about Duro Felguera? Aggreko is a company I already follow and indeed a very nice company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txitxo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ireland exits the bailout program: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-14/irish-to-exit-bailout-program-without-precautionary-credit-line.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoddDisciple Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 A mechanical strategy seems interesting to me as well. A few questions/thoughts: Can you take data, particularly from the balance sheet, at face value from a place like FT screener? Is there a place that aggregates all the EDGAR-like sites or is corroborating the numbers not necessary? Screener.co and value-investing.eu are the only two screeners that cover a large swath of stocks (30k-50k names). I was a little surprised at txitxo going for stocks near their 52 week high. Have you compared this with the F score, or is that too hard to calculate for international stocks? Most metrics on the F score actually seem like measure of the momentum of improving fundamentals. What about using Z and M scores to avoid value traps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch548 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Anyone have a clue as to what is happening at Conduril? No 2012 Annual Report up at their site yet. I checked the Lisbon Exchange and couldn't find any info. Not many shares changing hands at the current price. Still very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch548 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Just to add a couple of comments related to Conduril. A couple of months ago I saw what was either a Spanish or Portuguese engineering company get bought out at a nice premium. Also, Abengoa is now listed here in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hielko Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Anyone have a clue as to what is happening at Conduril? No 2012 Annual Report up at their site yet. I checked the Lisbon Exchange and couldn't find any info. Not many shares changing hands at the current price. Still very cheap. Annual report for 2012 is available on their site since the first half of 2013. The interim 2013 report has actually already been released, although that one is not available online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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