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[Parsad]

Just now, cubsfan said:

 

If that is the case, then why did the Biden administration blow a gasket and criminally charge both Russia and Iran with election interference?

 

Why did Biden expel 10-20 Russian officials from the country for election interference?

 

Why would Biden make such a big deal about election interference  - but President Trump should say absolutely nothing?

 

Because they are interfering...doesn't mean they succeeded.  Same with Trump...he's welcome to go after anyone who does the same.  It's just that the fraud so far has not worked.  This is nothing new...foreign governments like China have been trying to influence elections and policy through Chinese nationals who have Canadian citizenship.  The same is certainly happening in the U.S. and other countries...just like the U.S. and British have done the same thing over the last 80 years!  Cheers!

[LC]

12 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Obtaining your birth record to apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) from the Texas Department of Public Safety is easy and free.

 

I was discussing the point about fraud and ordering other people's birth certificates. Yeah of course, you can order your own bc. 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, whiskybravo said:

The 18 states memo does refer to PII, but PII is a broad category. A person’s name and home address are PII. So are Social Security numbers and passwords. The memo itself doesn’t appear to specify the latter.
 

So if you’re saying these documents show that China hacked state election databases containing Social Security numbers, passwords, or login IDs, could you point me to the specific document and page?  That would be a much stronger claim than what I’m seeing in the released summaries and memos.

 

That same memo states their goal was to conduct public opinion analysis.  This is exactly what the Spectator piece was warning about. China is harvesting huge amounts of demographics to fuel AI and target us with social media manipulation. They gathered public voter files to map out American society.  It’s an information warfare threat, not a technical hack of our voting infrastructure. 

 

That is exactly what I am saying.  It's in the link I provided under the China and voter data previously.

 

Yes, China bought some data. But then they intentionally  hacked into 18 government databases and stole even more information, some of which I listed for you. They also hacked into databases of NGO's and other organizations for even more complete data - which I specified. 

 

read the full summary and key findings on the right

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/china-voter-data#200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted

 

Hacking into government databases is a serious crime. 

 

The simple truth is this:  China is great at stealing government, NGO, corp data.  The Intelligence agencies HAD the proof 6 years ago. The Intelligence memos discuss all their concerns about China being able to manipulate voter data.

 

The Intelligence agencies decide to bury the info and not inform Congress. They refused to brief Trump.  It is UNKOWN whether they briefed Biden.  So Biden criminally charges Iran & Russia for attempts or intent to interfere in Federal Elections. But the same Intelligence agencies and DOJ do absolutely nothing in regards to China - when it involves 20X the amount of voter data.

 

All 3 countries HACKED into US Government databases. China get free pass.

 

The real crime is deliberately NOT informing President Trump. 

 

Here is one original doc that lists some of the government, NGO and other databases criminally hacked.  This one specifies millions of SS records.

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/china-voter-data/200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted.pdf

 

Peace WB!

[cubsfan]

30 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Because they are interfering...doesn't mean they succeeded.  Same with Trump...he's welcome to go after anyone who does the same.  It's just that the fraud so far has not worked.  This is nothing new...foreign governments like China have been trying to influence elections and policy through Chinese nationals who have Canadian citizenship.  The same is certainly happening in the U.S. and other countries...just like the U.S. and British have done the same thing over the last 80 years!  Cheers!

 

You still have not answered the question. 

 

Hacking into government data bases lands you in prison.

 

Why did Biden charge Iran and Russia for election interference?  BOTH of those countries INTENDED to interfere - which is exactly what the Biden administration's intelligence agencies were warning that China was doing.  Only difference is that Biden never charged China - only Iran and Russia.  It is actually unknown if Biden actually knew. But it is known that the Intelligence agencies KNEW.

 

And of course, when Trump took over in 2025 - those same agencies deliberately hid the Chinese criminal hacking.

 

There are long discussions in all the redacted documents about China's criminal hacking of databases.  

 

Criminal Hacking into voter databases IS election interference by statute.

[Parsad]

38 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

You still have not answered the question. 

 

Hacking into government data bases lands you in prison.

 

Why did Biden charge Iran and Russia for election interference?  BOTH of those countries INTENDED to interfere - which is exactly what the Biden administration's intelligence agencies were warning that China was doing.  Only difference is that Biden never charged China - only Iran and Russia.  It is actually unknown if Biden actually knew. But it is known that the Intelligence agencies KNEW.

 

And of course, when Trump took over in 2025 - those same agencies deliberately hid the Chinese criminal hacking.

 

There are long discussions in all the redacted documents about China's criminal hacking of databases.  

 

Criminal Hacking into voter databases IS election interference by statute.

 

Why does Trump go easy on Putin and Kim Jong Un?  Different leaders have different agendas with foreign leaders.  Cheers! 

[whiskybravo]

6 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

That is exactly what I am saying.  It's in the link I provided under the China and voter data previously.

 

Yes, China bought some data. But then they intentionally  hacked into 18 government databases and stole even more information, some of which I listed for you. They also hacked into databases of NGO's and other organizations for even more complete data - which I specified. 

 

read the full summary and key findings on the right

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/china-voter-data#200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted

 

Hacking into government databases is a serious crime. 

 

The simple truth is this:  China is great at stealing government, NGO, corp data.  The Intelligence agencies HAD the proof 6 years ago. The Intelligence memos discuss all their concerns about China being able to manipulate voter data.

 

The Intelligence agencies decide to bury the info and not inform Congress. They refused to brief Trump.  It is UNKOWN whether they briefed Biden.  So Biden criminally charges Iran & Russia for attempts or intent to interfere in Federal Elections. But the same Intelligence agencies and DOJ do absolutely nothing in regards to China - when it involves 20X the amount of voter data.

 

All 3 countries HACKED into US Government databases. China get free pass.

 

The real crime is deliberately NOT informing President Trump. 

 

Here is one original doc that lists some of the government, NGO and other databases criminally hacked.  This one specifies millions of SS records.

 

https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/china-voter-data/200m-voter-records-compromised-declass-marked-redacted.pdf

 

Peace WB!

I see exactly what you're looking at now in that PDF!  Page 5 does list an unspecified U.S. citizen medical database with 28 million records that contained Social Security numbers.

But if you look at the structure of that exact table, it completely separates that medical file from the voter files.  The table categorizes the 204 million voter records and the individual state voter databases under U.S. Voter, Election-Related Data. The Apparent Contents column explicitly lists what they contain: names, ages, phone numbers, addresses, and party/citizenship info. It does not list SSNs, passwords, or login IDs for any voter files.

The SSNs are listed further down under a completely different category called U.S.-Origin PII and Compromised Websites. This section lists hacked servers from a medical group, a biogenetics group, a school, and private business services. The passwords and login IDs on page 6 are from compromised web services companies, not government election sites.

The document shows a catalog of different leaks China possessed in 2019.   The SSNs appear in a separate medical database entry, and the passwords/login IDs appear in entries for compromised web services. I don’t see the report connecting those datasets to the voter records.  The voter records listed in the table appear to consist of standard voter registration fields, names, addresses, phone numbers, ages, party affiliation, and citizenship status.

 

Based on these documents, I don’t see the intelligence community describing this as a hack of voting infrastructure comparable to the server intrusions attributed to Russia or Iran. Instead, the emphasis is on China’s acquisition and analysis of large amounts of voter-related data.  Gathering public voter rolls alongside stolen corporate data is a massive espionage threat, but it's not a hack of our voting infrastructure to change votes.

 

Appreciate the deep dive into the PDFs, man. It’s a fascinating look at how China compiles data, even if the media and politicians spin it different ways.  Peace.

[cubsfan]

2 hours ago, whiskybravo said:

I see exactly what you're looking at now in that PDF!  Page 5 does list an unspecified U.S. citizen medical database with 28 million records that contained Social Security numbers.

But if you look at the structure of that exact table, it completely separates that medical file from the voter files.  The table categorizes the 204 million voter records and the individual state voter databases under U.S. Voter, Election-Related Data. The Apparent Contents column explicitly lists what they contain: names, ages, phone numbers, addresses, and party/citizenship info. It does not list SSNs, passwords, or login IDs for any voter files.

The SSNs are listed further down under a completely different category called U.S.-Origin PII and Compromised Websites. This section lists hacked servers from a medical group, a biogenetics group, a school, and private business services. The passwords and login IDs on page 6 are from compromised web services companies, not government election sites.

The document shows a catalog of different leaks China possessed in 2019.   The SSNs appear in a separate medical database entry, and the passwords/login IDs appear in entries for compromised web services. I don’t see the report connecting those datasets to the voter records.  The voter records listed in the table appear to consist of standard voter registration fields, names, addresses, phone numbers, ages, party affiliation, and citizenship status.

 

Based on these documents, I don’t see the intelligence community describing this as a hack of voting infrastructure comparable to the server intrusions attributed to Russia or Iran. Instead, the emphasis is on China’s acquisition and analysis of large amounts of voter-related data.  Gathering public voter rolls alongside stolen corporate data is a massive espionage threat, but it's not a hack of our voting infrastructure to change votes.

 

Appreciate the deep dive into the PDFs, man. It’s a fascinating look at how China compiles data, even if the media and politicians spin it different ways.  Peace.

 

YES!  Exactly. Some are unspecified NGOs.

 

The PLA are masters at hacking.

 

I am sure you realize, it's going to be a snap for any hacker/skilled data analyst to create a cross reference file. That's kids play.

 

I do not think I have claimed that China  has voted in the election - but they have certainly interfered in a big way.  And they certainly are in a position to do substantial damage.

 

China stole 40 Million voter records from the UK and the UK is just recovering - it took them 3+ years. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80gl8yvj9go

 

I think @Sweet mentioned UK elections are more safe/secure than US elections, in light of this - it's not at all surprising.

 

But be very curious as why the MSM will not tell you what really is happening.

 

Peace WB.

[whiskybravo]

35 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

YES!  Exactly. Some are unspecified NGOs.

 

The PLA are masters at hacking.

 

I am sure you realize, it's going to be a snap for any hacker/skilled data analyst to create a cross reference file. That's kids play.

 

I do not think I have claimed that China  has voted in the election - but they have certainly interfered in a big way.  And they certainly are in a position to do substantial damage.

 

China stole 40 Million voter records from the UK and the UK is just recovering - it took them 3+ years. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80gl8yvj9go

 

I think @Sweet mentioned UK elections are more safe/secure than US elections, in light of this - it's not at all surprising.

 

But be very curious as why the MSM will not tell you what really is happening.

 

Peace WB.

Exactly! They are master data aggregators. When you cross reference public voter rolls with stolen medical and corporate data, you can build detailed psychological profiles of a population to target them with influence campaigns. 

That BBC article you linked is actually a perfect example of this. Even the UK's experts concluded that this wasn't an attack to rig an election or flip votes.  It was a massive data-harvesting operation.

 

I think we actually completely agree here.  China is a massive espionage threat and they are using our own data against us to exploit our cultural divisions. It’s just happening through information warfare, not by hacking voting machines to change tallies.

Great debating this with you. Appreciate you digging up the actual documents so we could look at the real data. Peace!

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by whiskybravo

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, whiskybravo said:

Exactly! They are master data aggregators. When you cross reference public voter rolls with stolen medical and corporate data, you can build detailed psychological profiles of a population to target them with influence campaigns. 

That BBC article you linked is actually a perfect example of this. Even the UK's experts concluded that this wasn't an attack to rig an election or flip votes.  It was a massive data-harvesting operation.

 

I think we actually completely agree here.  China is a massive espionage threat and they are using our own data against us to exploit our cultural divisions. It’s just happening through information warfare, not by hacking voting machines to change tallies.

Great debating this with you. Appreciate you digging up the actual documents so we could look at the real data. Peace!

 

Much appreciated - you opened my eyes on a couple issues.   Bravo

[John Hjorth]

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