lnofeisone Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 42 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: There are no hurt feelings. The Iranians and their allies can eliminate the Israelis at any moment if US ever steps away. That so-called “unbreakable friendship” between Trump and Netanyahu is already fractured — and this is an exciting time for the region. If Trump ever tells Israel “you’re on your own,” - they would be in big trouble! He speaks the language that Israel’s genocidal animals truly understand. (Please see another Israeli minister spewing hate below) The difference — which puzzles me how you don’t see it — is that he is a publicly elected official representing the will of Israeli voters. Compare him to the Iranians: one side acts like bloodthirsty animals, slaughtering women and children, the other shows true discipline and resistance and just defeated the worlds super power. Even Trump admitted it when he told Netanyahu to stop blowing up entire buildings in Lebanon. Israelis are experts at killing women and children as we have seen in Palestine and now Lebanon, but the moment they get hit back, they beg for American help and play the victim - it’s exactly what they did during the 12 day war. Remember: Israel only exists because of the United States allows them to exist. as per JD Vance, “Israel needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation that country is in.” JD Vance giving Israelis a reality check: https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2067642712560689401/video/1?s=46 Another Israeli cabinet member: “I am personally proud of the holocaust of Gaza, and that 80 years from now, they will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did,” —The Israeli Minister of Social Equality. It is genuinely embarrassing how much loud, confident ignorance you manage to cram into a single post. You aren't analyzing Middle East politics. You are typing out a fever dream of fiction fueled by TikTok algorithms with zero historical literacy. Let's ground your post a bit. First, your delusion that Iran and its proxies could "eliminate Israel at any moment" if the US steps away is mathematically and militarily brain-dead. Iran couldn't even protect its own proxy leadership from being systematically turned into statistics over a single weekend, and Hamas is trapped in a blockaded strip, having lost nearly 50% of the land from beforec Oct 7th. Believing they pose an existential threat to a nuclear-armed state with one of the most tech advanced militaries on Earth shows you are absolutely no grasp on conventional warfare. Nevermind that Israel won its most decisive victories of '48 and '67 without massive US aid alignment. Second, calling a collection of religious extemeist loons who have economically gutted Lebanon, ruined Gaza, and hidden in tunnels while their chivilians take the hit "discipline and restraint" is a peak Stockholm syndrome. If watching your entire command structure get obliterated by exploding pagesr and airstrikes is your definition of "defeating a superpower", then please, keep on winning. Third, falling for fake internet quotes in 2026 is pathetic. The "gaza holocaust" quote you attributed to May Golan is widely exposed, illiterate mistranslation of a Hebrew interview, where she said she was proud of "ruins of Hamas infrastructure." Seriously, go listen to it and use Google Translate. If you have to invent fake quotes ot make your point, you already admitting your actual argument is a loser. And by the way, this isn't the first time I caught you falling for fake Internet memes from propaganda accounts. You can scroll back many pages back and it's all there. Maybe it's time to reconsider what echo chamber you are in? Finally, trying to use JD to imply US is cutting Israel loose completely exposes your political illeteracy. Vance's entire stance is to cut through the red tape and let israel finish the job faster and harder. JD knows that this particular excursion by Trump was a huge miscalculation and as an American, I do too. I have no clue what Trump was thinking about here and in Trump's fashion, he is trying to bull his way into a deal and disengage, even if it means bullying Israel into stopping its activities. But to think JD or anyone sane thinks that Hamas/Hezb are good guys and the US is going to throw Israel to the wolves is just naive. You lack the basic factual baseline required to have this conversation. Seriously, pick up a history book. It is fascinating how much pro-pal and anti-israel folk just refuse to help themselves and continuoully humiliate themselves. Oh and do consider changing up your X/TikTok algo. I suspect you are getting fed a healthy diet of propaganda.
Marco Van Basten Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, lnofeisone said: I tend to agree with your asessment though I think our conclusions are a tad differnet. I think Iran was acting rationally. What is being conflated is moral/conventional rationality with strategic rationality. While Iran's actions are highly destructive and confrontational, they followed a calculated, logical framework aimed at regime survival, regional influnce, and assymetric deterrence. It did take a terrible move by the current president to really reward them handsomely. I think picking a fight with two nuclear capable adversaries and stating that your goal is destroying two nuclear armed states is asking to be nuked into Stone Age. How that is rational is beyond me. Had USA in 1979 or Israel since been run by anyone with guts, Iran and its great civilization (I truly believe that Iranian civilization is a great one and I am not being ironic) would have been wiped off the face of the earth.
lnofeisone Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said: I think picking a fight with two nuclear capable adversaries and stating that your goal is destroying two nuclear armed states is asking to be nuked into Stone Age. How that is rational is beyond me. Had USA in 1979 or Israel since been run by anyone with guts, Iran and its great civilization (I truly believe that Iranian civilization is a great one and I am not being ironic) would have been wiped off the face of the earth. Sure. It's a risk (that Israel and US will take the high road) Iran took and it paid off. Again, we agree on the outcome but I think Iran is shrewed when it takes risks and up to this point it has been paying off. More so in the last round with Trump.
John Hjorth Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 16 hours ago, John Hjorth said: CNN - Politics [June 19th 2026] : Italian foreign minister cancels trip to US over Trump’s comments about Meloni - - - o 0 o - - - -And the temperamental Italian blonde - most of the time dressed in white - gets all worked up of the eigthy years old pro, experienced womanizers comments about her! - So much for that good personal relationship! International Politics anno 2026! - You can't make this up! - - - o 0 o - - - In politics, there are things you just don't engage in, especially towards women! More of the same from the International Politics kindergarden sandbox [ ] : - - - o 0 o - - - One would think the two were married, ripe for diworse! [ ]
ourkid8 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 1 hour ago, lnofeisone said: It is genuinely embarrassing how much loud, confident ignorance you manage to cram into a single post. You aren't analyzing Middle East politics. You are typing out a fever dream of fiction fueled by TikTok algorithms with zero historical literacy. Let's ground your post a bit. First, your delusion that Iran and its proxies could "eliminate Israel at any moment" if the US steps away is mathematically and militarily brain-dead. Iran couldn't even protect its own proxy leadership from being systematically turned into statistics over a single weekend, and Hamas is trapped in a blockaded strip, having lost nearly 50% of the land from beforec Oct 7th. Believing they pose an existential threat to a nuclear-armed state with one of the most tech advanced militaries on Earth shows you are absolutely no grasp on conventional warfare. Nevermind that Israel won its most decisive victories of '48 and '67 without massive US aid alignment. Second, calling a collection of religious extemeist loons who have economically gutted Lebanon, ruined Gaza, and hidden in tunnels while their chivilians take the hit "discipline and restraint" is a peak Stockholm syndrome. If watching your entire command structure get obliterated by exploding pagesr and airstrikes is your definition of "defeating a superpower", then please, keep on winning. Third, falling for fake internet quotes in 2026 is pathetic. The "gaza holocaust" quote you attributed to May Golan is widely exposed, illiterate mistranslation of a Hebrew interview, where she said she was proud of "ruins of Hamas infrastructure." Seriously, go listen to it and use Google Translate. If you have to invent fake quotes ot make your point, you already admitting your actual argument is a loser. And by the way, this isn't the first time I caught you falling for fake Internet memes from propaganda accounts. You can scroll back many pages back and it's all there. Maybe it's time to reconsider what echo chamber you are in? Finally, trying to use JD to imply US is cutting Israel loose completely exposes your political illeteracy. Vance's entire stance is to cut through the red tape and let israel finish the job faster and harder. JD knows that this particular excursion by Trump was a huge miscalculation and as an American, I do too. I have no clue what Trump was thinking about here and in Trump's fashion, he is trying to bull his way into a deal and disengage, even if it means bullying Israel into stopping its activities. But to think JD or anyone sane thinks that Hamas/Hezb are good guys and the US is going to throw Israel to the wolves is just naive. You lack the basic factual baseline required to have this conversation. Seriously, pick up a history book. It is fascinating how much pro-pal and anti-israel folk just refuse to help themselves and continuoully humiliate themselves. Oh and do consider changing up your X/TikTok algo. I suspect you are getting fed a healthy diet of propaganda. “If it weren’t for the United States of America, with me … Israel wouldn’t exist right now. Israel would have been blown off the face of the earth 100% and every smart person in Israel knows that” -DJT https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2066828883295371641/video/1?s=46 Edited 1 hour ago by ourkid8
lnofeisone Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 13 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: “If it weren’t for the United States of America, with me … Israel wouldn’t exist right now. Israel would have been blown off the face of the earth 100% and every smart person in Israel knows that” -DJT https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2066828883295371641/video/1?s=46 Thanks for proving my point about your absolute lack of understanding of this situation. You think you got something here? You are dropping a clip of DJT, the same DJT who is famous for his hypoerbole and claiming credit for sunrise and you are taking it this pitch as a Pentagon debrief? He is feeding his own brand and not arguing that Hamas, Hezb, or Iran are millitary masterminds. Thanks for confirming your entire worldview is built on 15-second social media clips.
ourkid8 Posted 6 minutes ago Posted 6 minutes ago 50 minutes ago, lnofeisone said: Thanks for proving my point about your absolute lack of understanding of this situation. You think you got something here? You are dropping a clip of DJT, the same DJT who is famous for his hypoerbole and claiming credit for sunrise and you are taking it this pitch as a Pentagon debrief? He is feeding his own brand and not arguing that Hamas, Hezb, or Iran are millitary masterminds. Thanks for confirming your entire worldview is built on 15-second social media clips. I hope you enjoyed the MOU in which Iran/US determined Israel’s faith. Please stop thinking Israel is anything more than the sugar baby in the relationship with US. (Welfare recipient is too strong and I agree)
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