onyx1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 The mistake here is the belief that facts matter. They certainly don't matter to Trump. In 40 minutes of speaking time, he made 33 false statements And how many minds will this change? Answer: Zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 This is how messed up Trump made this election. It made Glenn Beck make statements that I agree with. Never thought I'd see the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Who was it that was saying that Trump's kids were a mark in his favor? http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/eric-trump-says-bragging-about-sexual-assault-is-what-happens-when-youre-an-alpha-personality/ What a douchebag this one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Some journalist better ask him if he means that he says and does similar things to his father when he thinks he's in private... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomep Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has offered his thoughts, via his blog, Twitter and Periscope, on the elections, and they have been prescient. For anyone that enjoys watching and talking about the political races, he is a great mind to learn from. His knowledge of persuasion is top notch. I agree. Scott Adams is profoundly brilliant. He has completely transformed my thinking on how people make political decisions. I now understand why facts & rational arguments are useless when in the realm of politics or articles of faith. And, reactions (like almost all of the messages posted on this thread) are so easy to predict that it's become laughable. Thanks to Packer for the original link to him. He may have some really clever thoughts. I read through his blog a bit. But he says Trump has 98% chance of winning. That pretty much got me to stop reading his stuff, not because he seems to be pro-Trump but because I really question his judgement. Am i reading it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has offered his thoughts, via his blog, Twitter and Periscope, on the elections, and they have been prescient. For anyone that enjoys watching and talking about the political races, he is a great mind to learn from. His knowledge of persuasion is top notch. I agree. Scott Adams is profoundly brilliant. He has completely transformed my thinking on how people make political decisions. I now understand why facts & rational arguments are useless when in the realm of politics or articles of faith. And, reactions (like almost all of the messages posted on this thread) are so easy to predict that it's become laughable. Thanks to Packer for the original link to him. He may have some really clever thoughts. I read through his blog a bit. But he says Trump has 98% chance of winning. That pretty much got me to stop reading his stuff, not because he seems to be pro-Trump but because I really question his judgement. Am i reading it wrong? If he is wrong about the election it will be another addition to his long list of failures including careers in banking, telecom, a computer game maker, restaurant owner, and app designer. He also believes there is a high probability that we are all living in a computer simulation. A normal reaction would be to ignore him as a loser and a crackpot (like some on the thread have already done). But anyone doing so would miss a chance to learn some serious life lessons that he has to offer from those very failures. His main approach to life is try, fail, learn, repeat. But he is far from a failure. He is a fabulously wealthy, a best-selling author, a highly-paid speaker, a cartoonist who is syndicated in 2000 newspapers in 65 countries, a trained hypnotist, a student of persuasion, and dates a girl who looks like a super model (to some). A lot of attention is paid to people who have made quick riches like Elizabeth Holmes, Michael Burry, and others who have "cracked" the secret to success. Of course, people what replicate that very success. But what practice knowledge can one really expect to learn from these right-place-at-the-right-time people? IMO, not much. I pickup much more useful knowledge from rare people like Scott Adams who not only have failed time & again, but possess the talent for simplifying lessons and writing in an easy-to-read style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 But while we’re in something of a wait-and-see mode, one demographic split caught my eye. That was from a Public Religion Research Institute poll conducted on behalf of The Atlantic. It showed a massive gender split, with Clinton trailing Trump by 11 percentage points among men but leading him by 33 points among women. To put those numbers in perspective, that’s saying Trump would defeat Clinton among men by a margin similar to Dwight D. Eisenhower’s landslide victory over Adlai Stevenson in 1952, while Clinton would defeat Trump among women by a margin similar to … actually, there’s no good comparison, since no candidate has won a presidential election by more than 26 percentage points since the popular vote became a widespread means of voting in 1824. To get to 33 points, you’d have to take the Eisenhower-Stevenson margin and add Lyndon B. Johnson’s 23-point win over Barry Goldwater in 1964 on top of it. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-women-are-defeating-donald-trump/?ex_cid=2016-forecast Who knew? If you treat a group like crap, they probably won't support you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has offered his thoughts, via his blog, Twitter and Periscope, on the elections, and they have been prescient. For anyone that enjoys watching and talking about the political races, he is a great mind to learn from. His knowledge of persuasion is top notch. I agree. Scott Adams is profoundly brilliant. He has completely transformed my thinking on how people make political decisions. I now understand why facts & rational arguments are useless when in the realm of politics or articles of faith. And, reactions (like almost all of the messages posted on this thread) are so easy to predict that it's become laughable. Thanks to Packer for the original link to him. He may have some really clever thoughts. I read through his blog a bit. But he says Trump has 98% chance of winning. That pretty much got me to stop reading his stuff, not because he seems to be pro-Trump but because I really question his judgement. Am i reading it wrong? If he is wrong about the election it will be another addition to his long list of failures including careers in banking, telecom, a computer game maker, restaurant owner, and app designer. He also believes there is a high probability that we are all living in a computer simulation. A normal reaction would be to ignore him as a loser and a crackpot (like some on the thread have already done). But anyone doing so would miss a chance to learn some serious life lessons that he has to offer from those very failures. His main approach to life is try, fail, learn, repeat. But he is far from a failure. He is a fabulously wealthy, a best-selling author, a highly-paid speaker, a cartoonist who is syndicated in 2000 newspapers in 65 countries, a trained hypnotist, a student of persuasion, and dates a girl who looks like a super model (to some). A lot of attention is paid to people who have made quick riches like Elizabeth Holmes, Michael Burry, and others who have "cracked" the secret to success. Of course, people what replicate that very success. But what practice knowledge can one really expect to learn from these right-place-at-the-right-time people? IMO, not much. I pickup much more useful knowledge from rare people like Scott Adams who not only have failed time & again, but possess the talent for simplifying lessons and writing in an easy-to-read style. I don't have the time at the moment to reply to everything you said, but I'd be shocked if we were not living in some type of simulation. The chances that we are in base reality are so small to be almost nonexistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has offered his thoughts, via his blog, Twitter and Periscope, on the elections, and they have been prescient. For anyone that enjoys watching and talking about the political races, he is a great mind to learn from. His knowledge of persuasion is top notch. I agree. Scott Adams is profoundly brilliant. He has completely transformed my thinking on how people make political decisions. I now understand why facts & rational arguments are useless when in the realm of politics or articles of faith. And, reactions (like almost all of the messages posted on this thread) are so easy to predict that it's become laughable. Thanks to Packer for the original link to him. He may have some really clever thoughts. I read through his blog a bit. But he says Trump has 98% chance of winning. That pretty much got me to stop reading his stuff, not because he seems to be pro-Trump but because I really question his judgement. Am i reading it wrong? If he is wrong about the election it will be another addition to his long list of failures including careers in banking, telecom, a computer game maker, restaurant owner, and app designer. He also believes there is a high probability that we are all living in a computer simulation. A normal reaction would be to ignore him as a loser and a crackpot (like some on the thread have already done). But anyone doing so would miss a chance to learn some serious life lessons that he has to offer from those very failures. His main approach to life is try, fail, learn, repeat. But he is far from a failure. He is a fabulously wealthy, a best-selling author, a highly-paid speaker, a cartoonist who is syndicated in 2000 newspapers in 65 countries, a trained hypnotist, a student of persuasion, and dates a girl who looks like a super model (to some). A lot of attention is paid to people who have made quick riches like Elizabeth Holmes, Michael Burry, and others who have "cracked" the secret to success. Of course, people what replicate that very success. But what practice knowledge can one really expect to learn from these right-place-at-the-right-time people? IMO, not much. I pickup much more useful knowledge from rare people like Scott Adams who not only have failed time & again, but possess the talent for simplifying lessons and writing in an easy-to-read style. I don't have the time at the moment to reply to everything you said, but I'd be shocked if we were not living in some type of simulation. The chances that we are in base reality are so small to be almost nonexistent. Certainly a "blow your mind" thought experiment. Puts some of life's quantum mysteries into place. Deserves it's own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Dates aren't important either... "By the way, no alpha personality I have ever known feels the compulsion to prove his manhood by bragging about sexual assault. Not one." Also, major donors asking for their money back: http://www.cnbc.com/id/104012406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliG Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 American men are deplorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 American men are deplorable. You need to carve out the men who let their wives dress them everyday, they support Hillary. alt=Image result for beta maleshttp://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/07/pajama-boy-screenshot-640x480.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmori7 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 About the post factual era: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-plan-to-defend-against-the-war-on-science/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tengen Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The mistake here is the belief that facts matter. They certainly don't matter to Trump. In 40 minutes of speaking time, he made 33 false statements And how many minds will this change? Answer: Zero How about your mind? Do facts matter to you? https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/10/10/fact-check-donald-trump-made-33-false-claims-at-second-debate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The mistake here is the belief that facts matter. They certainly don't matter to Trump. In 40 minutes of speaking time, he made 33 false statements And how many minds will this change? Answer: Zero How about your mind? Do facts matter to you? https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/10/10/fact-check-donald-trump-made-33-false-claims-at-second-debate.html You're going to drive yourself crazy thinking you can change anyone's political support with facts & reason. When was the last time you sat down and carefully went through a long, anti-Hillary feature article from a conservative website or Fox News? A long while, if ever. I bet you are more likely to skip the article and go right to the comment section looking for confirmation of how bad the article is. You're not alone. It's equally true for Trump supporters like me as well. That's my point, humans aren't rational. It's a harmful-to-your-health mistake to think we are. If humans were rational, we'd all agree on a single religion, and we would only need one person in a jury box instead of twelve. We all make articles-of-faith decisions on topics like religion & politics based on emotion & deeply-held views of the world learned early in life. Then we (1) seek confirming evidence to support our decision, and (2) ignore/rationalize all conflicting evidence. Because facts don't inform our choices, the introduction of new ones won't change our choices. The upside of understanding this a lowering of anxiety and an increase in quality of life. I wish I would have learned it decades ago. I no longer look at friends, family, and other intelligent people condescendingly because they won't be persuaded by my reasoned arguments. Of all the ways to effectively persuade others in politics, facts & reason are at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Trump bragging about walking in on naked 15-year-olds in changing rooms at his pageant, said he could get away with it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/former-miss-arizona-trump-just-came-strolling-right-in-on-naked-contestants/ What a creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Trump bragging about walking in on naked 15-year-olds in changing rooms at his pageant, said he could get away with it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/former-miss-arizona-trump-just-came-strolling-right-in-on-naked-contestants/ What a creep. The man is a bottomless pit of yuck. Of course the family values republicans have no problem to continue to support him. I wonder where is the breaking point. Does he have to walk on the stage at the 3rd debate take his dick out and start plucking it? Even then, they'll probably go like "well that was disgusting but we still support him because he'll appoint conservative judges" or something like that. Principled conservatives my ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tengen Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 You're going to drive yourself crazy thinking you can change anyone's political support with facts & reason. I agree with you that facts and reason are unlikely to change the minds of many or even most people. That doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to something better. That's why I asked if facts matter to you. I'll give up asking if you prefer not to answer. By the way, I have read some of the articles Trump supporters have posted to CoBF. The ones that didn't turn out to be conspiracy sites turned out to contradict the point the Trump supporter was trying to make. If you have a link to an article you'd care to post, I promise to give it a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliG Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The man is a bottomless pit of yuck. Of course the family values republicans have no problem to continue to support him. I wonder where is the breaking point. This, maybe? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/ In an “Entertainment Tonight” Christmas feature in 1992, Trump looked at a group of 10-year-old girls and said he would be dating one of them in ten years. At the time, Trump would have been 46 years old. The video, released Wednesday evening, was shot at Trump Tower. In the clip, Trump asks one of the 10-year-old girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 More people coming out to corroborate that tape not being just talk : http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html Even more : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yea, both the NYT story and the escalator tape fall deep into the yuck pit. i don't think that's gonna move evangelicals or his die hard fans. On the other hand, in response to the Times story Trump threatens to sue the newspaper (what's new?) and triples down on dredging up all the 90s bill clinton stuff. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-12/trump-takes-a-back-to-the-future-focus-on-bill-clinton-s-women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 You just know that any journalist worth his/her salt is interviewing dozens of former beauty pageant contestants right now, corroborating claims, checking out leads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It's getting hard to keep track of all the horrible things... "Trump has never apologized for calling for our murder." Read this, from one of the Central Park 5 https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/12/im-one-of-the-central-park-five-donald-trump-wont-leave-me-alone/ And: http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliG Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It's getting hard to keep track of all the horrible things... The past 24 hours: The list is already out of date. Another story came out later in the day: Physically Attacked by Donald Trump – A PEOPLE Writer’s Own Harrowing Story http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wouldn't trade places with Kellyanne Conway right now for all the scotch in Scotland. Also I may be speaking too soon of course, but am I the only one who thinks that it's a cruel irony that Hillary Clinton's presidential win gets cemented by a sex scandal? If Shakespeare were alive today he'd write something brilliant about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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