Elon Musk...human? - Political

[lnofeisone]

50 minutes ago, flesh said:

I’m with dalio. Call me a trumper, I see the opposite of the will to do this on the other side and this is 80% of why I voted for trump this time. (I voted Hillary) All I want is what dalio wants. I see zero evidence the left will do it. I see the first chance since the mid 90s to get something done. The rest is noise to me. I have zero faith in the left to do it in any way. I see no evidence it can actually be accomplished in this climate without pissing everyone off. 
 

The real selling point is by reducing the deficit rates can come down and reduce interest costs by 100s of billions.. multiplier effects. If you haven’t read dalio in full on the subject recently it’s very informative. 
 

“There are three main types of levers that can be pulled to control the deficit: tax increases, spending cuts, and lower interest rates. To achieve the goal of stabilizing debt relative to income, it would take about a 11% increase in taxes, about a 12% cut in spending, or about a 3% cut in interest rates, all else being equal, if just one lever were used alone. Of course, any one of these numbers alone is way too large, so managing the adjustment will require a good combination of two or three of them.”

 

https://time.com/7221862/ray-dalio-cut-the-budget-deficit/

Crazy idea...grow the GDP. Now re-read what you posted with that in mind. 

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

What a terrible analogy. What's happening now is more like someone going outside, grabbing 20 random people, and subjecting them to chemotherapy. Do they all need chemo? No. But as some on the board would say - we can fess up to errors and unplug the chemo.

 

Is weaponizing Gov't agencies OK by you? Don't you think Dems will ever win WH/Congress and eventually SCOTUS? Be careful what you wish for. 

 

Sounds like a whiney government worker with sour grapes.

 

The house cleaning will continue - and it will be painful for all - just like it was for so many with Biden in charge.  

 

Tough love.

[lnofeisone]

3 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Sounds like a whiney government worker with sour grapes.

 

The house cleaning will continue - and it will be painful for all - just like it was for so many with Biden in charge.  

 

Tough love.

LOL I'm very far from Gov't employee. Sh***y policies from parties impact my business. 

 

I'm sorry Biden hurt you. Doesn't mean the rest of the country needs to be brought down to make you feel better. 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, lnofeisone said:

LOL I'm very far from Gov't employee. Sh***y policies from parties impact my business. 

 

I'm sorry Biden hurt you. Doesn't mean the rest of the country needs to be brought down to make you feel better. 

 

Biden did nothing to me. No doubt he and his criminal family broke laws, enriched himself and wrecked many, many lives - in addition to getting lots of people killed with Afghanistan and the Sourthern Border.

 

Rest assured - my family is just fine.

[flesh]

27 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

Crazy idea...grow the GDP. Now re-read what you posted with that in mind. 

Did you read dalio? Of course in an ideal world you’d you dl grow gdp massively. How much would you have to grow gdp to get our current 2t a year deficit down to 3% of gdp? Do the calculation at freezing govt costs and then do it again assuming the rate of govt spending minus Covid in the last few years. 
 

it’s simply not realistic. 
 

Seriously read the article. Or watch this 

 

 

If you can’t engage at this level and with the idea in mind that there’s is a timeline that’s not forever involved and have a real path forward to getting it done that doesn’t rely on Clintonian democrats 90’s era you aren’t serious. 
 

I’d happily vote for Clinton if he was saying and doing what he did in the 90s. Kamala is not that. 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by flesh

[lnofeisone]

20 minutes ago, flesh said:

Did you read dalio? Of course in an ideal world you’d you dl grow gdp massively. How much would you have to grow gdp to get our current 2t a year deficit down to 3% of gdp? Do the calculation at freezing govt costs and then do it again assuming the rate of govt spending minus Covid in the last few years. 
 

it’s simply not realistic. 
 

Seriously read the article. Or watch this 

 

 

If you can’t engage at this level and with the idea in mind that there’s is a timeline that’s not forever involved and have a real path forward to getting it done that doesn’t rely on Clinton Ian democrats 90’s era you aren’t serious. 
 

I’d happily vote for Clinton if he was saying and doing what he did in the 90s. Kamala is not that. 

 

Yes, I read his work including principles, which I don't recommend.

Current GDP - 30T, assume 3% growth

Government collected funds - 5T

Effective tax rate - 16%

Government spending - 7T

Cutting spending 10% - 700B

 

If you fix spending and say no more. In 4 years, you'll offset your $700B. 

 

If you drive the economy into contraction, things get mighty ugly if you try to do cuts or raise tax, but I guess you will get the interest reduction when that interest rate goes down. So how much do you have to reduce interest to get to $700B?

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by lnofeisone
missed growth comment

[lnofeisone]

17 hours ago, lnofeisone said:

Lets reframe this a little. The rhetoric you get is how they want to save 60m, 6b, 60b. So far they've wasted way more than 6m (i think it is closer to 60m) sending the dumb give me 5 points email. The actual savings have yet to be demonstrated. Oh and the courts ruling that the govt now might need to bring all the people they fired and most likely with back pay. All while the government is losing qualified people, some of whom will find employment in the private industry, domestic or foreign. Some leadership. 

In completely unshocking news - https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/us-intel-russia-china-attempt-recruit-disgruntled-federal-employees?

 

Congratulations. We played ourselves. 

[cubsfan]

Just now, lnofeisone said:

In completely unshocking news - https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/us-intel-russia-china-attempt-recruit-disgruntled-federal-employees?

 

Congratulations. We played ourselves. 

 

Yeah, they're probably already on the payroll - just like the Biden family.

[lnofeisone]

Just now, cubsfan said:

 

Yeah, they're probably already on the payroll - just like the Biden family.

Is this another one of your conjectures or you have facts you can point to?

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

Is this another one of your conjectures or you have facts you can point to?

 

It has as much value as your beloved CNN

[lnofeisone]

3 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

It has as much value as your beloved CNN

So you don't have facts you can point to that disgruntled federal workers are already on the payroll? I just want to be clear here. 

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

So you don't have facts you can point to that disgruntled federal workers are already on the payroll? I just want to be clear here. 

 

To be clear - you're the Washington insider, so I'll defer to you.

 

If "disgruntled federal workers" wish to engage in traitorous conduct - so be it.

 

After all - the Biden crime family made a career out of selling out their country for money.

[lnofeisone]

Just now, cubsfan said:

 

To be clear - you're the Washington insider, so I'll defer to you.

 

If "disgruntled federal workers" wish to engage in traitorous conduct - so be it.

 

After all - the Biden crime family made a career out of selling out their country for money.

I live in Washington, DC. I'm not a Washington insider by any stretch. But don't change the subject. You claimed that these workers are already on the payroll. Do you have evidence of this, or would you like to walk back your statement? It's really that simple. 

[cubsfan]

4 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

I live in Washington, DC. I'm not a Washington insider by any stretch. But don't change the subject. You claimed that these workers are already on the payroll. Do you have evidence of this, or would you like to walk back your statement? It's really that simple. 

 

No need to walk back anything. You are entitled to your own opinion and are in no way must you agree with mine. Stop splitting hairs already.

[lnofeisone]

Just now, cubsfan said:

 

No need to walk back anything. You are entitled to your own opinion and are in no way must you agree with mine. Stop splitting hairs already.

Ok, understood. You are just spitballing your intuition that may or may not be grounded in any sense of reality.

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

Ok, understood. You are just spitballing your intuition that may or may not be grounded in any sense of reality.

 

I'm taking just your lead. I'm offering my opinion, which you do not like.

[Saluki]

11 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

After all - the Biden crime family made a career out of selling out their country for money.

 

You mean like when the Biden's launched their Memecoin right before he took office, and where an indicted Chinese national bought $75 million of it, and the charges were dropped? You mean like where Biden bought a hotel in DC and people seeking his favor booked rooms there whenever they came to lobby? Or when they landed his plane in Scotland so that security personnel had to stay at his hotel at taxpayer expense? Or when China, which doesn't seem too concerned about intellectual property, fast tracked a bunch of copyrights for his daughters fashion brands? Or like how I now see ads, right now, with Biden's son asking me to invest in gold? Or when Biden appointed a guy who is smokes pot, is addicted to ketamine, gives nazi salutes and runs around stage screaming and wielding a chainsaw, as the guy in charge of overhauling the government. You know, when Biden's friend cancelled a contract that his company lost to a competitor, and issued it to his own company? Or when he demanded, and was given access to the most sensitive payment system in the country and at the same time is developing a payment system of his own?  Oh wait that was trump? 

 

Tell me again about how much Hunter Biden's paintings sell for 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, Saluki said:

 

You mean like when the Biden's launched their Memecoin right before he took office, and where an indicted Chinese national bought $75 million of it, and the charges were dropped? You mean like where Biden bought a hotel in DC and people seeking his favor booked rooms there whenever they came to lobby? Or when they landed his plane in Scotland so that security personnel had to stay at his hotel at taxpayer expense? Or when China, which doesn't seem too concerned about intellectual property, fast tracked a bunch of copyrights for his daughters fashion brands? Or like how I now see ads, right now, with Biden's son asking me to invest in gold? Or when Biden appointed a guy who is smokes pot, is addicted to ketamine, gives nazi salutes and runs around stage screaming and wielding a chainsaw, as the guy in charge of overhauling the government. You know, when Biden's friend cancelled a contract that his company lost to a competitor, and issued it to his own company? Or when he demanded, and was given access to the most sensitive payment system in the country and at the same time is developing a payment system of his own?  Oh wait that was trump? 

 

Tell me again about how much Hunter Biden's paintings sell for 

 

Pretty much nailed it.  I don't Hunter's paintings are worth much these days, but he sure knows how to sell daddy's influence for shit art.

[lnofeisone]

32 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Pretty much nailed it.  I don't Hunter's paintings are worth much these days, but he sure knows how to sell daddy's influence for shit art.

Finally, we agree on something! Though I'm pretty sure it's because you didn't read the whole thing...thanks for an awesome setup @Saluki. 

[cubsfan]

18 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

Finally, we agree on something! Though I'm pretty sure it's because you didn't read the whole thing...thanks for an awesome setup @Saluki. 

 

You're right. You win. Go celebrate and have a great weekend!

[DooDiligence]

2 hours ago, lnofeisone said:

Ok, understood. You are just spitballing your intuition that may or may not be grounded in any sense of reality.

 

Seriously dude, you're wasting your time. Just block that asshole.

[cubsfan]

16 minutes ago, DooDiligence said:

 

Seriously dude, you're wasting your time. Just block that asshole.

 

Stings doesn't it Dougie.