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[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

I dont have a better solution. Im not a middle east expert.  But as an American Im very much allowed to opine on how utterly horrible and embarrassing this solution is.  And the fact that this might be the best option only reiterates how incompetent the administration who painted us into this corner is. 

 

Imagine how horrible you would feel if you live in Iran where your currency is worthless and you are operating on a barter economy - with no friends to speak of coming to your rescue.

 

Here in the US, nothing has changed, except libtards losing their minds and cheering on Iran.

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

I dont have a better solution. Im not a middle east expert.  But as an American Im very much allowed to opine on how utterly horrible and embarrassing this solution is.  And the fact that this might be the best option only reiterates how incompetent the administration who painted us into this corner is. 

So evidently your preferred "solution" was that of our friends and neighbors to the North and East - bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem.  Thank goodness we have a President and Administration who thinks differently.  But keep on exercising your right as an American to keep on criticizing!

[dwy000]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

So evidently your preferred "solution" was that of our friends and neighbors to the North and East - bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem.  Thank goodness we have a President and Administration who thinks differently.  But keep on exercising your right as an American to keep on criticizing!

What a cult!!!  The fact that our current best option is vastly worse than having done nothing and youre tyring to hold it up as a win just shows how deeply the cult runs. 

 

We are going to release $bns, set up a $300bn fund for them, agree to get out of dodge, give up and reverse all sanctions and it has cost us $25bn and multiple lives in exchange for absolutely nothing - and youre spinning this as a win. Wow.  

[73 Reds]

Just now, dwy000 said:

What a cult!!!  The fact that our current best option is vastly worse than having done nothing and youre tyring to hold it up as a win just shows how deeply the cult runs. 

 

We are going to release $bns, set up a $300bn fund for them, agree to get out of dodge, give up and reverse all sanctions and it has cost us $25bn and multiple lives in exchange for absolutely nothing - and youre spinning this as a win. Wow.  

Back to Whoppner!  LOL!!!!!!

[dwy000]

Just now, 73 Reds said:

Back to Whoppner!  LOL!!!!!!

If the evidence fits!  There is literally nothing Trump could do that you would claim is bad.

 

Tell me, do you still support the caps on overdraft fees that Trump removed?  Cult. 

[73 Reds]

4 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

If the evidence fits!  There is literally nothing Trump could do that you would claim is bad.

 

Tell me, do you still support the caps on overdraft fees that Trump removed?  Cult. 

Hard to respond when someone contends that an appropriate answer to "Death to America" is............................nothing.  

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[cubsfan]

Just now, dwy000 said:

If the evidence fits!  There is literally nothing Trump could do that you would claim is bad.

 

Tell me, do you still support the caps on overdraft fees that Trump removed?  Cult. 

 

The Monty Python Black Knight speaks.. @dwy000

 

Ayatollah dead

Half the IRGC leaders dead

Air defenses destroyed

Air Force destroyed

Navy destroyed

Nuclear facilities destroyed

Arms manufacturing destroyed

Currency worthless

Inflation 100%+

 

Iran is in fine shape

[changegonnacome]

35 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

I agree and as stated multiple times, would prefer the military approach.

 

Well that's my point exactly.....we left the negotiating table in Feb in frustration to get what we want via militarily force.....to only end up where we started back at the negotiating table talking about the same stuff as before (i.e. the military campaign/blockade didn't conclude with deal but with a negotiation).....it really speaks to a military campaign that fundamentally failed to change the calculus on the ground.

 

I mean let's wait and see the details on whats on the table now re:nuclear vs. the Feb Geneva baseline - however all reporting suggests essentially no incrementalism versus what could have been signed in Geneva with serious changes to status quo ante in the region that I've discussed before which essentially boils down to Iran's strategic & relative power in the region enhanced via the SOH control/deterrent demonstration, the illusion of the US security umbrella in the region degraded such that stakeholders there are inevitably going to hedge their tail risk via side deals with Tehran and broadly speaking if you believed the Islamic revolution was slowly failing inside Iran (some evidence of that) I can make an argument here that Epic Fury has breathed new life into the theocracy morphing it into a military junta (with $300bn soon to disburse).

 

Not over till the nuclear deal fat lady sings........but the juice was not worth the squeeze here and that's being kind. Its looking like the blunder of blunders here in T2.

[73 Reds]

5 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Well that's my point exactly.....we left the negotiating table in Feb in frustration to get what we want via militarily force.....to only end up where we started back at the negotiating table talking about the same stuff as before (i.e. the military campaign/blockade didn't conclude with deal but with a negotiation).....it really speaks to a military campaign that fundamentally failed to change the calculus on the ground.

 

I mean let's wait and see the details on whats on the table now re:nuclear vs. the Feb Geneva baseline - however all reporting suggests essentially no incrementalism versus what could have been signed in Geneva with serious changes to status quo ante in the region that I've discussed before which essentially boils down to Iran's strategic & relative power in the region enhanced via the SOH control/deterrent demonstration, the illusion of the US security umbrella in the region degraded such that stakeholders there are inevitably going to hedge their tail risk via side deals with Tehran and broadly speaking if you believed the Islamic revolution was slowly failing inside Iran (some evidence of that) I can make an argument here that Epic Fury has breathed new life into the theocracy morphing it into a military junta (with $300bn soon to disburse).

 

Not over till the nuclear deal fat lady sings........but the juice was not worth the squeeze here and that's being kind. Its looking like the blunder of blunders here in T2.

Can't even begin to form an opinion here because we have just now begun negotiating.  But it has the potential to be about much more than just nuclear.

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[changegonnacome]

19 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

But it has the potential to be about much more than just nuclear.

you think? What’s your blue sky scenario from here? 

[73 Reds]

12 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

you think? What’s your blue sky scenario from here? 

Let's just say I'm always an optimist.  But gotta think that any progress is better than where we were at.  Hopeful that somehow, some way Iran and its future leadership has a desire to participate with the free World in the 21st century.  My personal objective echoes that of Israel - regime change, but no preconceived notion that it will happen anytime soon.

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, dwy000 said:

What a cult!!!  The fact that our current best option is vastly worse than having done nothing and youre tyring to hold it up as a win just shows how deeply the cult runs. 

 

We are going to release $bns, set up a $300bn fund for them, agree to get out of dodge, give up and reverse all sanctions and it has cost us $25bn and multiple lives in exchange for absolutely nothing - and youre spinning this as a win. Wow.  

 

You are correct if they don't get the nuclear material out of their hands.  They can spin it any way they want, but unless that happens, this is the worst outcome that could have happened.  Nuclear materials cannot be negotiable at all for a win!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

The Monty Python Black Knight speaks.. @dwy000

 

Ayatollah dead

Half the IRGC leaders dead

Air defenses destroyed

Air Force destroyed

Navy destroyed

Nuclear facilities destroyed

Arms manufacturing destroyed

Currency worthless

Inflation 100%+

 

Iran is in fine shape

 

You guys can make fun all you want, but it would be an absolute royal fuck up by Trump unless nuclear materials are no longer in Iranian hands.  There would be no result worse in Trump's life other than his association with Epstein.  So it's only a win with no nukes, no nuclear material!  Cheers!

[cubsfan]

37 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

You guys can make fun all you want, but it would be an absolute royal fuck up by Trump unless nuclear materials are no longer in Iranian hands.  There would be no result worse in Trump's life other than his association with Epstein.  So it's only a win with no nukes, no nuclear material!  Cheers!

 

How about we just pay them to build their nuclear weapons like Obama did....

[Parsad]

9 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

How about we just pay them to build their nuclear weapons like Obama did....

 

Well so far he did too!  200 times more than Obama...plus U.S. soldiers killed.

 

No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  

 

Not as good a cheer as:

 

Show the files, you pedophile!  Show the files, you pedophile!  

 

But it will have to do.  Cheers!

[cubsfan]

25 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Well so far he did too!  200 times more than Obama...plus U.S. soldiers killed.

 

No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  No nukes otherwise a Trump rebuke!  

 

Not as good a cheer as:

 

Show the files, you pedophile!  Show the files, you pedophile!  

 

But it will have to do.  Cheers!

 

Hey if the Gulf States want to pay Iran $300B to rearm and develop nukes again - that would be pretty damn stupid.....but what do I know.

 

If Iran needs $300B to rebuild - must have been some horrific damage done to their military!

[Maverick47]

8 hours ago, Blake Hampton said:

 

I spent nearly my entire childhood growing up with older people. My parents ran into their own set of problems very early in my life, and I subsequently moved in with and became adopted by my grandparents. I lived with them until I was about 16 years old, experienced some events that made me want to live somewhere else, moved in with my dad for about a year or so, and then actually came back to live with my great-grandma. Now that was an interesting experience. Under the age of 20, I probably spent 18 to 19 of those years living with grandparents.

Where am I going with this?

If there is one thing that I've learned having spent so much time living with older people, it's that change does not come easily to them, and oftentimes it's goddamn near impossible. For better or for worse, the vast majority of older adults are largely stuck in their ways.

 

The same of course applies to our now 80-year-old president. I see him as the worst combination of Buffett's trifecta that you mentioned: he is one of the most incompetent people I have ever seen, he is corrupt to the core, and though it seems he's falling asleep quite a bit here lately, I would say he is boundless with energy. Now that is a man who is dangerous, especially so as the president of the United States of America.

I was reading a book late last night that talked about the events that took place during the Pandemic and shortly thereafter. It was still somehow shocking to me how Trump acted during that period, and just how erratic his actions were given the circumstances. It dawned on me that this is a man who has decided his character. He is who he is. There is not a scenario where Trump is going to have some epiphany where he suddenly wants to do good by the American people. Trump will engineer chaos; you can count on it. He will not change.

I think you are correct in identifying challenges with aging, sclerotic leaders.  He’s not going to change for the better, and as he ages, instead of getting lazy, he just loses whatever filters and checks on his bad impulses that he might possibly ever had.