73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I respect your views, even though I don’t fully agree. The main reason I’m posting here is to offer another perspective. Without pushback, these threads quickly become echo chambers filled with one-sided propaganda from all directions. That said, I do think many people form strong opinions after reading a few headlines on CNN, Fox, or social media, without really understanding Iranian society, Shia Islam, the history of the region, or the difference between the Iranian people and the government. Happy to discuss any specific point with sources if you’d like — I’m not here to “win,” just to add balance. Sheer ignorance. Actually worse, you expect people to buy it. How many wars has Iran started? Just ask Israel. Keep it up, pal, they'll be coming for you too.
ourkid8 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, 73 Reds said: Sheer ignorance. Actually worse, you expect people to buy it. How many wars has Iran started? Just ask Israel. Keep it up, pal, they'll be coming for you too. Threatening people with "they'll be coming for you too" is completely unacceptable in a discussion. @Parsad We can both agree this definitely crossing the line.
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 7 hours ago, ourkid8 said: Professor Mirandi is a lot more eloquent then I am! According to Marandi, Iranian leaders — including the phrase originally attributed to former President Ahmadinejad — are not calling for the physical destruction of the land, the killing of Jewish people, or genocide. Instead, they mean the political end of the current State of Israel as a Zionist entity (what they call an “apartheid regime” or “settler-colonial project”). Marandi repeatedly compares it to the end of apartheid South Africa: - The “regime” should disappear as a political system. - Palestinians should be granted the right of return. - A single democratic state should replace it, where Jews, Muslims, and Christians live with equal rights. Key quotes from Marandi: - “Ahmadinejad said that Israel must cease to exist as a political entity like apartheid South Africa. And that has always been Iranian policy.” - “He never made any form of threat to initiate military conflict against Tel Aviv.” In short: Iran’s position, as explained by Marandi, is the dissolution of the Zionist political system through resistance, demographic change (right of return), and international pressure — not the mass killing or expulsion of Israeli Jews. I cannot stand whenever I hear Marandi talk, he is always beating around the bush. Here is a key point that I make: It is none of Iran’ business if Israel is an apartheid state or not. It is none of Iran business to opine what form of government there should be there or not. The Persians lost the Holy Lands, when the armies of Khusru Parviz retreated before Herclius, a quarter century before Islam. We have no historical claim, no cultural claim and definitely no religious claim. So all this nonsense, is a creation of Khomeini, largely magnified by Khamenei, and the main target is not even the domestic Iranian audience: it was the Arab population. Iran, as a Persian majority nation, has no chance to gain influence in the 80s and 90s with the Sunni population in the Arab countries, so they became protector of Palestinian rights. PS: nothing is wrong with arguing for the Palestinian cause. This needs not to be binary. Edited March 25 by Xerxes
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 9 hours ago, cubsfan said: Not sure I EVER remember a time when the Arabs sided with the Jews to fight their Muslim brothers. So history is being made. I guess that's what happens when a government as arrogant as the Iranian regime decides to wholesale bomb all their Gulf State neighbors for no reason, other than they are pissed off. Boy was that stupid - now Iran is fighting the whole world.... Oh well, at least the Taliban is still your friend. You are not very good in history. Are you ? Arabs will side with anybody to fight their neighbours. As far as the recent war, Iran attacks on the Gulf nation is no different than Israel attack on state of Lebanon that is harbouring Hizballah.
73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Threatening people with "they'll be coming for you too" is completely unacceptable in a discussion. @Parsad We can both agree this definitely crossing the line. Anyone who supports a terrorist regime deserves to be on the receiving end of one.
ourkid8 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 48 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Just to be fair, Israel disguised their nuclear reactor (build in cooperation with the French) and enriched Uranium program to the US in the 60’s and claimed to build a nuclear reactor to power desalination for rh Negev desert. I guess the Iranian got their cues from somewhere. They never claimed to have nuclear weapons nor denied it, but they’d are believed to have tested them in 1979. I think in the next 10-20 years, dozens of countries will become nuclear powers. Ukraine and ironically Iran war have shown why you need them or you can get bullied over. Israel's non-membership in the NPT combined with its undeclared nuclear arsenal and the "Samson Option" - do you feel this is a major risk to the world? I couldn’t agree more with your last statement - it’s for survival!
ourkid8 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 23 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Anyone who supports a terrorist regime deserves to be on the receiving end of one. I do not support terrorism. Your message is a threat of violence that I do not tolerate. My religion teaches restraint, patience, and ignoring these attacks. You're not worth my time—this conversation is over.
73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I do not support terrorism. Your message is a threat of violence that I do not tolerate. My religion teaches restraint, patience, and ignoring these attacks. You're not worth my time—this conversation is over. Bullshit. You support a terrorist regime. You get what you deserve.
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Sheer ignorance. Actually worse, you expect people to buy it. How many wars has Iran started? Just ask Israel. Keep it up, pal, they'll be coming for you too. 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: Threatening people with "they'll be coming for you too" is completely unacceptable in a discussion. @Parsad We can both agree this definitely crossing the line. 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Anyone who supports a terrorist regime deserves to be on the receiving end of one. 52 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I do not support terrorism. Your message is a threat of violence that I do not tolerate. My religion teaches restraint, patience, and ignoring these attacks. You're not worth my time—this conversation is over. 44 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Bullshit. You support a terrorist regime. You get what you deserve. Yeah, you are both pushing the lines here! You guys are making it personal. If I hear either of you talking to the other for the next 48 hours, you are both banned for a month. So move to a different thread or talk to different people. Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yeah, you are both pushing the lines here! You guys are making it personal. If I hear either of you talking to the other for the next 48 hours, you are both banned for a month. So move to a different thread or talk to different people. Cheers! Sanjeev, there is no moral equivalence here. You permit a poster to come on this site and spew support of terrorism.
tooskinneejs Posted March 25 Posted March 25 Please let me know when someone convinces another on a political issue on this board. I won't hold my breath as I don't expect this to happen in the next decade or more. But hey, at least the political chatter clogs up the board and distracts from a focus on investing.
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 Just now, 73 Reds said: Sanjeev, there is no moral equivalence here. You permit a poster to come on this site and spew support of terrorism. He's not spewing terrorism...he's trying to provide a perspective from the Iranian side...the Iranian people. Contrary to popular sentiment, the world doesn't revolve around the U.S...most people are not the U.S.' enemy...like fucking Canada or NATO! Yet, there is this growing hostility to U.S. allies, let alone actual enemies! There are extremist groups and leaders, who illegally control sovereign states or have access to resources, that target Western society or other groups. Most people in Iran have no interest in their current regime, let alone war...they just want a happy life! Ourkid8 has to watch it with the "Zionist" shit, but that's emotionally charged discharge similar to the Muslim's only believe in "jihad" or "fatwa" sentiment! Doesn't anyone on here actually have both Jewish and Muslim close friends? Am the only fucking one? What about Chinese, Vietnamese, Black, Punjabi, Greek, Hispanic, Filipino, Italian, French, German, English, Australian, Kiwi, etc? Do you guys all just hang around your own clique or ethnic group? I not only have close friends from each of those groups, I have in-laws, nieces, nephews, etc who are half of one or the other! My family is like the fucking United Nations! People are people...most are the same everywhere around the world. They are proud of their culture and heritage, no matter how barbaric or uncouth others may perceive them to be. Debate is a good thing...but making it personal is not appropriate. Everyone should keep it to just debating! Cheers! 1
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 10 minutes ago, tooskinneejs said: Please let me know when someone convinces another on a political issue on this board. I won't hold my breath as I don't expect this to happen in the next decade or more. But hey, at least the political chatter clogs up the board and distracts from a focus on investing. Try regulating it if it wasn't restricted to this thread! I would have to ban 10% of the board members! Cheers!
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: I do not support terrorism. Your message is a threat of violence that I do not tolerate. My religion teaches restraint, patience, and ignoring these attacks. You're not worth my time—this conversation is over. There is nothing wrong with being religious and pious, but I think almost all of your comments have a high correlation with regime’ talking points. Now, in times of war, people do revert back and have hardline point of view. No one likes their country being sneak attacked and bombed. Wasnt American war rally in the 1940s, “kill all the Japs”. Wasn’t American war rally post 911, “turn Middle East into a parking lot”. Or “nuke this or that”. Looks like only Americans are allowed to be stupid in this world. In any case: With that being said, this is not FOX News message board, or YouTube where one has to defend a maximalist position. I have asked you this before. Maybe you didn’t not see it. ———//////_———- Question: What are the top 5 issue (domestic and foreign) that you feel the regime in Tehran could have done a much better job in the past 5, 10 and 20 years. Is there anything ? Without referring or blaming to Americans and Israelis anything ?
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, Parsad said: He's not spewing terrorism...he's trying to provide a perspective from the Iranian side...the Iranian people. Contrary to popular sentiment, the world doesn't revolve around the U.S... Don’t make me laugh. His view is not the view of the majority people in the country.
73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, Parsad said: He's not spewing terrorism...he's trying to provide a perspective from the Iranian side...the Iranian people. Contrary to popular sentiment, the world doesn't revolve around the U.S...most people are not the U.S.' enemy...like fucking Canada or NATO! Yet, there is this growing hostility to U.S. allies, let alone actual enemies! There are extremist groups and leaders, who illegally control sovereign states or have access to resources, that target Western society or other groups. Most people in Iran have no interest in their current regime, let alone war...they just want a happy life! Ourkid8 has to watch it with the "Zionist" shit, but that's emotionally charged discharge similar to the Muslim's only believe in "jihad" or "fatwa" sentiment! Doesn't anyone on here actually have both Jewish and Muslim close friends? Am the only fucking one? What about Chinese, Vietnamese, Black, Punjabi, Greek, Hispanic, Filipino, Italian, French, German, English, Australian, Kiwi, etc? Do you guys all just hang around your own clique or ethnic group? I not only have close friends from each of those groups, I have in-laws, nieces, nephews, etc who are half of one or the other! My family is like the fucking United Nations! People are people...most are the same everywhere around the world. They are proud of their culture and heritage, no matter how barbaric or uncouth others may perceive them to be. Debate is a good thing...but making it personal is not appropriate. Everyone should keep it to just debating! Cheers! You are entirely right except for not recognizing his blatant anti-semitic, pro-terrorist beliefs. No one blames the majority of Iranian people. They are victims of the very same positions pushed by this poster. I have friends and business colleagues here in Florida who managed to escape the Iran tyrranists and who would make my words look like downright affinity toward the Regime. What do you think @ourkids8 means when he uses the term "zionist"? Does it really take someone who is a victim of such hate speech to recognize ignorant hate for what it is? What about his "beloved" Regime leader? I'm sorry you and others can't, or don't recognize prejudice and hate. He can try to couch such ignorant speech any way he likes but it is clear as day to those of us who are victims and have been fighting against people like him all our lives.
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Don’t make me laugh. His view is not the view of the majority people in the country. First, I'm not trying to make you laugh! Second, I'm not saying it isn't pro-Iranian...a significant percentage of the Iranian population does support the theocracy without necessary supporting all of the objectives or policies. There is a difference! You may be Catholic, but support a woman's right to choice. You can be supportive of the Catholic Church...you can be pious...you can also have conflicting views to the church. Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: You are entirely right except for not recognizing his blatant anti-semitic, pro-terrorist beliefs. No one blames the majority of Iranian people. They are victims of the very same positions pushed by this poster. I have friends and business colleagues here in Florida who managed to escape the Iran tyrranists and who would make my words look like downright affinity toward the Regime. What do you think @ourkids8 means when he uses the term "zionist"? Does it really take someone who is a victim of such hate speech to recognize ignorant hate for what it is? What about his "beloved" Regime leader? I'm sorry you and others can't, or don't recognize prejudice and hate. He can try to couch such ignorant speech any way he likes but it is clear as day to those of us who are victims and have been fighting against people like him all our lives. Get off your fucking high horse Reds! Do you even read the threads on here? I have to go through all of them. There is so much shit on Muslim people on here, it's not even funny. I have to keep challenging people over and over, or threatening to ban them. Every time anyone has used the word "Zionist" or anything antisemitic, I've challenged them or banned them. There is just a handful of people on here who stir shit up...you are one of them amongst that handful. And if you disagree with me...who are the two dipshits that started this whole debacle right now...you and OurKid8! So I have a choice, either get people to behave nicer to one another and not call each other spiteful names or brand them terrorists. Or I can ban the shit disturbers! I don't win either way, so it doesn't matter to me. Now, you are going to have a tendency to want to respond to this post. I would take that energy and channel it into productive discussion instead of wasting it telling me how I can't see prejudice...like telling a black person he's never faced discrimination! Lots of people to talk to...lots of things to discuss...focus on that! Cheers!
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, Parsad said: First, I'm not trying to make you laugh! Second, I'm not saying it isn't pro-Iranian...a significant percentage of the Iranian population does support the theocracy without necessary supporting all of the objectives or policies. There is a difference! You may be Catholic, but support a woman's right to choice. You can be supportive of the Catholic Church...you can be pious...you can also have conflicting views to the church. Cheers! first 20-30% of 92 million may means 10 of millions, but that still does not mean majority. So significant in numbers but not majority. Second being pious doesn’t mean wanting theocracy. Even the highest ranking member of Shia clergy*, Grand Ayatollah Sistani, who is based in Basra, Iraq, was against State and the Chruch being ruled as one. * which wasn’t Khamenei btw
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, Xerxes said: first 20-30% of 92 million may means 10 of millions, but that still does not mean majority. So significant in numbers but not majority. Second being pious doesn’t mean wanting theocracy. Even the highest ranking member of Shia clergy*, Grand Ayatollah Sistani, who is based in Basra, Iraq, was against State and the Chruch being ruled as one. * which wasn’t Khamenei btw Why are you fucking arguing with me on this? Did I say "majority"? You don't think 10M people is a lot of people? Do you think I support the theocracy? I don't even believe in God! Why do you guys waste your fucking time arguing with people who don't want to argue? Fuck me!
73 Reds Posted March 25 Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, Parsad said: Get off your fucking high horse Reds! Do you even read the threads on here? I have to go through all of them. There is so much shit on Muslim people on here, it's not even funny. I have to keep challenging people over and over, or threatening to ban them. Every time anyone has used the word "Zionist" or anything antisemitic, I've challenged them or banned them. There is just a handful of people on here who stir shit up...you are one of them amongst that handful. And if you disagree with me...who are the two dipshits that started this whole debacle right now...you and OurKid8! So I have a choice, either get people to behave nicer to one another and not call each other spiteful names or brand them terrorists. Or I can ban the shit disturbers! I don't win either way, so it doesn't matter to me. Now, you are going to have a tendency to want to respond to this post. I would take that energy and channel it into productive discussion instead of wasting it telling me how I can't see prejudice...like telling a black person he's never faced discrimination! Lots of people to talk to...lots of things to discuss...focus on that! Cheers! Damn right I'm going to respond. C'mon man. It took me to get you to finally react to the "nice guy" you see in @ourkids8. Newsflash: His use of the term "zionist" here is as bad as the N-word is to black folks. Maybe worse. What he is too dumb to recognize is how important zionism is to the Jewish people and what it represents. Wouldn't expect you to understand but please - get off your own high horse.
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Damn right I'm going to respond. C'mon man. It took me to get you to finally react to the "nice guy" you see in @ourkids8. Newsflash: His use of the term "zionist" here is as bad as the N-word is to black folks. Maybe worse. What he is too dumb to recognize is how important zionism is to the Jewish people and what it represents. Wouldn't expect you to understand but please - get off your own high horse. Buh-bye! Fuck this shit! You are gone for 30 days! Cheers!
Xerxes Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, Parsad said: Why are you fucking arguing with me on this? Did I say "majority"? You don't think 10M people is a lot of people? Do you think I support the theocracy? I don't even believe in God! Why do you guys waste your fucking time arguing with people who don't want to argue? Fuck me! go up and re-read what you wrote yourself: you said significant %, not significant numbers. second, i stated so that you understand that supporting theocracy and being pious are not the same. how you concluded whatever you thought I said is beyond me. maybe you need to take a break here
Parsad Posted March 25 Posted March 25 Just now, Xerxes said: go up and re-read what you wrote yourself: you said significant %, not significant numbers. second, i stated so that you understand that supporting theocracy and being pious are not the same. how you concluded whatever you thought I said is beyond me. maybe you need to take a break here Yup, same for you...see you in 30 days! Your reading comprehension must be at a Grade 5 level! I'm going fucking nuclear on you fuckers now. Who wants to go next? Cheers!
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