dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Sounds like "projections' to me. So they're OK for you? Who's they? And OK for what? If you think a thousand year global trend of urbanization is going to stop because the US hired extra ICE agents for a year or two, youre in denial. Cities will get bigger. Urbanization will continue. Suburbs will grow and expand. Its just the way it is.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 6 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Who's they? And OK for what? If you think a thousand year global trend of urbanization is going to stop because the US hired extra ICE agents for a year or two, youre in denial. Cities will get bigger. Urbanization will continue. Suburbs will grow and expand. Its just the way it is. Many millions of people who came here illegally for the past 4 years won't. Many who did will be forced out. All from big, blue cities. Not sure why that is in dispute.
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Many millions of people who came here illegally for the past 4 years won't. Many who did will be forced out. All from big, blue cities. Not sure why that is in dispute. Because they dont vote and wouldnt have impacted that voting map whatsoever. And any transition at all is irrelevant unless it changes electoral college maps. So let's get rid of those.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: Because they dont vote and wouldnt have impacted that voting map whatsoever. And any transition at all is irrelevant unless it changes electoral college maps. So let's get rid of those. They SHOULDN'T vote but they are part of the population. The electoral college is absolutely necessary to retain the integrity of the vast majority of States and the people who live in them. As I first suggested, we don't want policies dictated by Big Blue population centers. Perhaps we should pack the Supreme Court too. Change the rules that have worked for an entire history just because you don't like them. Sad.
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, 73 Reds said: They SHOULDN'T vote but they are part of the population. The electoral college is absolutely necessary to retain the integrity of the vast majority of States and the people who live in them. As I first suggested, we don't want policies dictated by Big Blue population centers. Perhaps we should pack the Supreme Court too. Change the rules that have worked for an entire history just because you don't like them. Sad. Policies and elections should be dictated by the voting population. Thats what a democracy is. The electoral college doesnt retain integrity it opposes it. If you truly believe in one person, one vote (like a real democracy) then having an electoral college opposes that. Just have every vote count and whoever gets the most votes wins. How is that bad?
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: Policies and elections should be dictated by the voting population. Thats what a democracy is. The electoral college doesnt retain integrity it opposes it. If you truly believe in one person, one vote (like a real democracy) then having an electoral college opposes that. Just have every vote count and whoever gets the most votes wins. How is that bad? The electoral college preserves States' rights. The Federal Government doesn't get to decide what is right for each State on many issues. And for sure, Blue States and their misguided policies don't apply to Red States. That is my definition of "bad".
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: The electoral college preserves States' rights. The Federal Government doesn't get to decide what is right for each State on many issues. And for sure, Blue States and their misguided policies don't apply to Red States. That is my definition of "bad". States rights are already preserved thru Congress. The electoral college plays zero role in any decision other than presidential elections. Zero. And when voting for a single person to represent the country nationwide states shouldn't come into play. Its the same president for all US citizens and therefore each citizen should have their vote counted equally. The electoral college undermines that.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: States rights are already preserved thru Congress. The electoral college plays zero role in any decision other than presidential elections. Zero. And when voting for a single person to represent the country nationwide states shouldn't come into play. Its the same president for all US citizens and therefore each citizen should have their vote counted equally. The electoral college undermines that. What???? The electoral college gives conservatives a fighting chance. Otherwise, the large population centers would dictate law and policy everywhere because the votes of the folks populating all the Red States (all the "land") would be irrelevant in a National election. You'd have the last 4 years in perpetuity. I can't think of a worse scenario.
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: What???? The electoral college gives conservatives a fighting chance. Otherwise, the large population centers would dictate law and policy everywhere because the votes of the folks populating all the Red States (all the "land") would be irrelevant in a National election. You'd have the last 4 years in perpetuity. I can't think of a worse scenario. Re-read what you just wrote. "The large population centers would dictate law and policy everywhere" Population centers dont dictate law and policy (and shouldn't). Voters should - wherever they live equally. If conservatives dont have a fighting chance when everyone's vote counts equally (like it would if we eliminated the electoral college) then you are undermining the will of the voting public. Edited October 25, 2025 by dwy000
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: Re-read what you just wrote. "The large population centers would dictate law and policy everywhere" Population centers dont dictate law and policy (and shouldn't). Voters should. If conservatives dont have a fighting chance when everyone's vote counts equally (like it would if we eliminated the electoral college) then you are undermining the will of the voting public. The voting public in LA and NY does not dictate policy for me. Sorry to break it to you. The only reason Trump won the popular vote in the last election is b/c the Dems could not have put up a worse candidate. That won't happen again. A conservative Presidential candidate would have no chance absent the electoral college. Presidents sign legislative bills into law and I don't want left-leaning Presidents making all the laws.
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, 73 Reds said: The voting public in LA and NY does not dictate policy for me. Sorry to break it to you. The only reason Trump won the popular vote in the last election is b/c the Dems could not have put up a worse candidate. That won't happen again. A conservative Presidential candidate would have no chance absent the electoral college. Presidents sign legislative bills into law and I don't want left-leaning Presidents making all the laws. If conservatives cant win without the electoral college you are undermining democracy by not allowing one person, one vote for president. And where they live is irrelevant. If more Americans want person A over person B, that's who should be president. Thats how it works for governors, that's how it works for senators. Thats how it works in every other direct election for a person in the whole country. If a party cannot win a popular vote that candidate is representing more people who voted against them than for them. That is just plain wrong.
cubsfan Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 40 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Policies and elections should be dictated by the voting population. Thats what a democracy is. The electoral college doesnt retain integrity it opposes it. If you truly believe in one person, one vote (like a real democracy) then having an electoral college opposes that. Just have every vote count and whoever gets the most votes wins. How is that bad? That's stupid. The USA is a Republic, not a democracy. Now all of a sudden, you want to change the principles that the country was founded on.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: If conservatives cant win without the electoral college you are undermining democracy by not allowing one person, one vote for president. And where they live is irrelevant. If more Americans want person A over person B, that's who should be president. Thats how it works for governors, that's how it works for senators. Thats how it works in every other direct election for a person in the whole country. If a party cannot win a popular vote that candidate is representing more people who voted against them than for them. That is just plain wrong. There is a reason why each State has exactly 2 Senators, regardless of population. Are you against that as well? The electoral college balances out the needs of the entire Country, not just those who populate large cities. Issues that permeate large population centers should not disproportionately impact folks in smaller or conservative states and cities, which geographically dominate the Country at large. Eliminating the electoral college is a convenient, yet losing proposition. Funny how the issue only comes up when the Republicans are in office. Same with packing the Supreme Court. In fact, why aren't the Republicans clamoring to pack the Supreme Court right now while they have the chance?
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 1 minute ago, cubsfan said: That's stupid. The USA is a Republic, not a democracy. Now all of a sudden, you want to change the principles that the country was founded on. The USA is a democratic republic.
cubsfan Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 3 hours ago, 73 Reds said: The voting map vividly demonstrates the divide in this Country and how a few of the most heavily populated, mostly coastal cities try to to dictate policy for the rest of us, who aren't buying it. One can only wonder how much, and for how long net migration continues to flow from blue precincts. If democratic leadership had even a half ounce of common sense, they would immediately pivot to the center on most every policy and appoint Sen. John Fetterman as their new leader. Won't hold my breath. The good news is that the Democratic Party doesn't operate with common sense, only a twisted ideology that will continue to destroy the party. The democrats operate like a Black Hole, where the lunatic LEFT is at the center, and is sucking all rest of the moderates into the Event Horizon, point of no return. The best thing that ever happened to MAGA is the suicide pact the party has made with the LEFT. It's beautiful to watch.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 1 minute ago, cubsfan said: The good news is that the Democratic Party doesn't operate with common sense, only a twisted ideology that will continue to destroy the party. The democrats operate like a Black Hole, where the lunatic LEFT is at the center, and is sucking all rest of the moderates into the Event Horizon, point of no return. The best thing that ever happened to MAGA is the suicide pact the party has made with the LEFT. It's beautiful to watch. Eventually they will wise up - even if it is only for show. That's my fear, they'll find someone willing to feign a centrist platform just long enough to get elected. They run reasonable thinking folks like Joe Manchin and now Fetterman (of all people) out and replace them with people who are downright dangerous to our future.
dwy000 Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: There is a reason why each State has exactly 2 Senators, regardless of population. Are you against that as well? The electoral college balances out the needs of the entire Country, not just those who populate large cities. Issues that permeate large population centers should not disproportionately impact folks in smaller or conservative states and cities, which geographically dominate the Country at large. Eliminating the electoral college is a convenient, yet losing proposition. Funny how the issue only comes up when the Republicans are in office. Same with packing the Supreme Court. In fact, why aren't the Republicans clamoring to pack the Supreme Court right now while they have the chance? Senators represent states. And they are voted for by one person, one vote across the entire state. Governors too. Why should a national vote for a single representative not hold the exact same democratic rules? The electoral college does not balance out votes - it explicitly unbalances votes by subverting one person, one vote representation. If republicans cannot win a majority of voters nationally they should either change the representative or change their policies such that they can attract the majority. Thats how every other election works. Otherwise you are subjecting a majority of people to the whims of a minority.
73 Reds Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 Just now, dwy000 said: Senators represent states. And they are voted for by one person, one vote across the entire state. Governors too. Why should a national vote for a single representative not hold the exact same democratic rules? The electoral college does not balance out votes - it explicitly unbalances votes by subverting one person, one vote representation. If republicans cannot win a majority of voters nationally they should either change the representative or change their policies such that they can attract the majority. Thats how every other election works. Otherwise you are subjecting a majority of people to the whims of a minority. You completely ignored the point. That's OK. As usual we're talking around each other.
cubsfan Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 12 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Senators represent states. And they are voted for by one person, one vote across the entire state. Governors too. Why should a national vote for a single representative not hold the exact same democratic rules? The electoral college does not balance out votes - it explicitly unbalances votes by subverting one person, one vote representation. If republicans cannot win a majority of voters nationally they should either change the representative or change their policies such that they can attract the majority. Thats how every other election works. Otherwise you are subjecting a majority of people to the whims of a minority. You are ignoring the founding of the Republic, whereby smaller states would NOT have joined the New Republic unless there was an assurance against "tyranny of the majority". Smaller states knew that they would be screwed by larger states like NY unless there was a mechanism for their interests NOT based entirely on population size. Rural states knew that cities would always out vote them. If the new Republic did not give sufficient voice to smaller states - you would never have had these states join the Republic.
NnnnotSoSmart Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 (edited) 6 hours ago, adesigar said: Land doesn’t vote, people do but I guess this is what happens when all your information comes from Faux news. Some people too stupid to understand that one small area with a million people means more than a 1000 similarly sized areas with 500 people. This is the map I love the most. From the New York Times. Massive swing to the right last November. What victory looks like. US citizens across the country tired of incompetent DEI hires in the administration pushing a "woke" agenda, getting nothing done, with a vegetable president and his "coke" snorting son in the Whitehouse. Would be more pronounced today after 10 months Trump administration getting things done (otherwise known as oligarchy by the lefties). Winning! Edited October 26, 2025 by NnnnotSoSmart
DooDiligence Posted October 25, 2025 Posted October 25, 2025 (edited) RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/25/timothy-mellon-donor-military-pay-shutdown https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/16/bank-of-america-bny-sued-over-alleged-financial-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein.html PedOTrumpUnderSuspicion When do we get to the part where he goes into the bunker? Edited October 25, 2025 by DooDiligence
LC Posted October 26, 2025 Posted October 26, 2025 9 hours ago, NnnnotSoSmart said: With some here on this board TDS runs very deep. Truth struck a nerve, eh? They make a hat for that!
DooDiligence Posted October 26, 2025 Posted October 26, 2025 28 minutes ago, LC said: Truth struck a nerve, eh? They make a hat for that! Yeah, these trumpers are truly deranged.
DooDiligence Posted October 26, 2025 Posted October 26, 2025 In other news, there's fish in the ocean.
adesigar Posted October 26, 2025 Posted October 26, 2025 “Trust that had been earned over generations has been lost in weeks.”
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