spartan Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 Is the CPA a valuable designation re: investing? Buffett always talks about the importance of accounting, but is earning the CPA necessary? Can't I learn as I go along by reading regulatory filings? My thinking is that if there are particular aspects of a financial statement that I don't understand, I can always look up the rules (i.e. CPA handbook, etc.). I have 3 years of experience in Big 4 audit, which has built a strong foundation of accounting knowledge. My original intent for joining Big 4 was to learn accounting, but earning the CPA will likely take me another 2 years. I'm not concerned about the time/effort required, but if I'm going to embark on an arduous journey and take time away from finding bargains, I want to know that there's light at the end of the tunnel. Any thoughts/opinions are welcome. How has everyone else on this forum learned accounting over the years?
SharperDingaan Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 You were hired by a Big-4 audit firm because you are pursing a CPA - is that off the table now? What is the career plan? SD
spartan Posted June 28, 2020 Author Posted June 28, 2020 I was hired to work on compilation and review engagements. I did a good job and wanted more of a challenge, so they moved me into audit.
spartan Posted June 28, 2020 Author Posted June 28, 2020 Do you want to pursue a career in audit/accounting? Definitely not. I want to work in investment management, primarily because I enjoy the challenge of fundamental analysis.
LC Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 In that case, a CPA is probably not ideal at least in my opinion. Accounting rules can be learned independently as you mention.
aws Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 I'm a CPA and I certainly do not think the designation did anything for me as an investor, so I would not be pursuing it if that is your only goal. The tests cover topics that a mile wide and an inch deep, so the few that are applicable to investing could be learned by pretty much anyone independently. Since I worked in public accounting for many years it was still worthwhile professionally though. I was always a good test taker so I had no worries about failing, and the studying process took probably 300 hours total.
Guest cherzeca Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 wouldn't you be thinking about a CFA if you want to add a credential and want to work in investment management?
SharperDingaan Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 What is optimal depends on your career plan. Whether you choose the accounting or investment route, when you start – you need to be in a Big-4, no older than 22-24, an undergrad from a top school, the right skin tone, have ‘connections’, and there to obtain the experience component of a designation. Same process whether the designation is a CPA or a CFA. Widespread abuse, par-for-the-course. Don’t meet the criteria? you will always be 2nd fiddle to those who do. Sure, you might be smarter – but if you’re too old, not the ‘right’ school, wrong colour, or no connections …. you will be 2nd fiddle for life. If this is you, play a different game. A great many CPA’s and CFA’s are also MBA’s - particularly if the plan is to become senior management at some point; a fairly high % hold all 3 designations. And almost all of them will tell you than once you grow up - you build and run companies, not trade bits of paper. Back to the plan, and is there one? Then what have you done today - to make the plan happen? SD
bizaro86 Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Back to the plan, and is there one? Then what have you done today - to make the plan happen? SD - I think this might be the best comment I've seen on here in quite some time.
Hielko Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Is the CPA a valuable designation re: investing? Buffett always talks about the importance of accounting, but is earning the CPA necessary? Can't I learn as I go along by reading regulatory filings? My thinking is that if there are particular aspects of a financial statement that I don't understand, I can always look up the rules (i.e. CPA handbook, etc.). I have 3 years of experience in Big 4 audit, which has built a strong foundation of accounting knowledge. My original intent for joining Big 4 was to learn accounting, but earning the CPA will likely take me another 2 years. I'm not concerned about the time/effort required, but if I'm going to embark on an arduous journey and take time away from finding bargains, I want to know that there's light at the end of the tunnel. Any thoughts/opinions are welcome. How has everyone else on this forum learned accounting over the years? I would guess that you probably already know more about accounting than you need for investing.
K2SO Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 It's not necessary, and won't necessarily make you a better investor, but it could. You'll have a better understanding of how financial statements work, and be able to catch inconsistencies and call out management BS (there is a lot, even with large cap widely followed stocks). Independent thought is the most important aspect to being a good investor, and the better your technical skills, the more valuable your insights will be.
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